Democratic Socialism Surging in the Age of (President) Trump

[night_son]

Democratic socialism surging in the age of Trump

www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-democratic-socialism-midterms-20180720-story.html#


From the piece:

"There are 42 men and women running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan."

"The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE."
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To aid in the debate:

Party Info/Websites:
Democratic Socialists of America
Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia
Communist Party USA

Socialism vs. Communism:
Comparing Economic Systems [ushistory.org]
Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Difference between Communism and Democracy | Communism vs Democracy

Papers:
Capitalism vs. Socialism
Capitalism Vs. Socialism - Research Paper
SOCIALISM vs. CAPITALISM: Past, Present and Future
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What do you think, fellow Americans and others? Has the Democrat Party run out of other options? Do you support the idea of a socialist America, and if so, why? Is anything but "Trump" justification in your minds for voting socialist?

 

[OODA_Loop]

People are loosing their collective minds.

 

[night_son]

People are loosing their collective minds.

Would you like to elaborate?

 

[night_son]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

 

[Cellblock2429]

People are loosing their collective minds.

/---/ After the fall of the USSR, Commies needed a new home so they took over the once great, patriotic Democrat Party and chased out and moderates and conservatives in the ranks. We can not negotiate with them, we can not work with them, we can only defeat them at every turn. Everytime I hear some idiot say Republicans need to reach across the aisle - I want to punch them in the face.

 

[night_son]

People are loosing their collective minds.

/---/ After the fall of the USSR, Commies needed a new home so they took over the once great, patriotic Democrat Party and chased out and moderates and conservatives in the ranks. We can not negotiate with them, we can not work with them, we can only defeat them at every turn. Everytime I hear some idiot say Republicans need to reach across the aisle - I want to punch them in the face.

I often feel this way as well--no more so than in our current age of extreme party divisiveness. What I also consider, however, is with an eye to the historical blueprint of conservative/liberal struggle--some kind of balance must exist, or the popular rise of authoritarianism could prevail into a one party monocracy with ultimately no way to limit its power.

 

[Penelope]

Democratic socialism surging in the age of Trump

www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-democratic-socialism-midterms-20180720-story.html#


From the piece:

"There are 42 men and women running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan."

"The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE."
______________________________________________________________________________________

To aid in the debate:

Party Info/Websites:
Democratic Socialists of America
Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia
Communist Party USA

Socialism vs. Communism:
Comparing Economic Systems [ushistory.org]
Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Difference between Communism and Democracy | Communism vs Democracy

Papers:
Capitalism vs. Socialism
Capitalism Vs. Socialism - Research Paper
SOCIALISM vs. CAPITALISM: Past, Present and Future
______________________________________________________________________________________

What do you think, fellow Americans and others? Has the Democrat Party run out of other options? Do you support the idea of a socialist America, and if so, why? Is anything but "Trump" justification in your minds for voting socialist?

If the corps get socialism , and if by socialism you mean healthcare for all, Yes. Also I believe in progressive taxation for that, and the rich should have that top bracket moved up to say 45%.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

There is already a word for these people. It’s communist.

 

[Penelope]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

Which culture, and what do you mean by family? Christian roots gave us slavery.

 

[Penelope]

There is already a word for these people. It’s communist.

You mean like WACO?

 

[night_son]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

Which culture, and what do you mean by family? Christian roots gave us slavery.

The traditional culture of America--which is an amalgamation of many beneath the mantle of a foundational one. No, for many of us, Christianity gave us a personal foundation and a tradition of heritage upon which to live and grow. Family is very obvious; we all have one.

 

[PredFan]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

Which culture, and what do you mean by family? Christian roots gave us slavery.

You are an ignorant fool. The roots of slavery came from the Islamic world. The name “slaves” came from Slavic and was used to refer to the Slavic people who were first enslaved by Muslims before America or most everyone else.

Get an education ffs.

 

[night_son]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

Which culture, and what do you mean by family? Christian roots gave us slavery.

You are an ignorant fool. The roots of slavery came from the Islamic world. The name “slaves” came from Slavic and was used to refer to the Slavic people who were first enslaved by Muslims before America or most everyone else.

Get an education ffs.

But how do you feel about democratic socialism in America?

 

[PredFan]

I'll put myself out there first.

I voted No.

I view myself politically as a Paleoconservative. Defense of culture, family and nation are of first importance in defining my political views. That being said, like many others, the journey to get 'here' has been a long one. Over four plus decades I have come full circle from conservative Democrat roots, to explorations of atheism, Hinduism, borderline radical leftism back to conservatism tradition of Christian roots and cultural preservation. Today, I find the concept of a socialist America to be a very troubling one; antithetical to the will of our Founders and the foundation concept of the Constitution. Ultimately, I believe in a balance between liberalism and conservatism under which tradition can be preserved while a degree of liberal philosophy prevents stagnation and popular push for radical change.

Which culture, and what do you mean by family? Christian roots gave us slavery.

You are an ignorant fool. The roots of slavery came from the Islamic world. The name “slaves” came from Slavic and was used to refer to the Slavic people who were first enslaved by Muslims before America or most everyone else.

Get an education ffs.

But how do you feel about democratic socialism in America?

Bad idea for America, good idea for a platform for the left to run on.

 

[Crepitus]

People are loosing their collective minds.

Why do you say that?

 

[Crepitus]

Did anyone else actually bother to read their website?

In their own words: "We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few."

Does that really sound so wrong? If so, why?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Democratic socialism surging in the age of Trump

www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-democratic-socialism-midterms-20180720-story.html#


From the piece:

"There are 42 men and women running for offices at the federal, state and local levels this year with the formal endorsement of the Democratic Socialists of America, the organization says. They span 20 states, including Florida, Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan."

"The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE."
______________________________________________________________________________________

To aid in the debate:

Party Info/Websites:
Democratic Socialists of America
Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia
Communist Party USA

Socialism vs. Communism:
Comparing Economic Systems [ushistory.org]
Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Difference between Communism and Democracy | Communism vs Democracy

Papers:
Capitalism vs. Socialism
Capitalism Vs. Socialism - Research Paper
SOCIALISM vs. CAPITALISM: Past, Present and Future
______________________________________________________________________________________

What do you think, fellow Americans and others? Has the Democrat Party run out of other options? Do you support the idea of a socialist America, and if so, why? Is anything but "Trump" justification in your minds for voting socialist?

If the corps get socialism , and if by socialism you mean healthcare for all, Yes. Also I believe in progressive taxation for that, and the rich should have that top bracket moved up to say 45%.

What is your justification for taking nearly half of one's income?

 

[night_son]

Did anyone else actually bother to read their website?

In their own words: "We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few."

Does that really sound so wrong? If so, why?

Yes. Yes it does. The people mentioned in the sentence you quoted is a synonym for the government. Big, controlling government. I agree, the idea of people actually running the government sounds awesome. But it has never happened. Not once in history.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Did anyone else actually bother to read their website?

In their own words: "We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few."

Does that really sound so wrong? If so, why?

It is infantile. I can tell you, highly successful people work far more hours and far harder than the 8 to 5 crowd.

 

[PredFan]

Did anyone else actually bother to read their website?

In their own words: "We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few."

Does that really sound so wrong? If so, why?

No, if you don’t think about it and take it at face value, it doesn’t. But I’m sorry, I have an education and a lifetime of experience. I know it’s 100% garbage.