Breaking: NASA ranks 2017 as the second-warmest year, after 2016

[Old Rocks]

I am 74 years old, and you are one lousy observer. I have watched the glaciers in the Cascades, Sierras, and Rockies recede since 72. I have seen the rivers in Oregon grow warmer decade by decade. More importantly, people who have a major financial interest in the weather and climate have tabulated their results for all to see.

Figure 2. Increase in insurable natural events from Munich Re[2].

LOL

Lets ignore that populations have increased and costs of materials have increased... All you posted up is proof that things cost more and we have more people..

What you haven't shown is that the weather events are more sever or last longer...

You dumb little shit. The y axis is events, not costs. Damn, but you are one stupid little twit.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

A much SMALLER one.

 

[westwall]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

A much SMALLER one.

Wrong. The fossil fueled plants are all nice and large. No windfarm has EVER even come close to generating their installed capacity. They are lucky if they get to 30%. The same go's for solar. The biggest one out there, Ivanpah in southern Nevada, has increased their amount of natural gas powered electricity generation by at least double whuile the solar side has not once ever come close to reaching even the lowest estimate.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hide the Decline
Mann's Nature Trick
The ocean stores 90% of the heat
Climate change is a wealth redistribution scam
2 decade pause
The ocean floor is falling

yeah, settled

 

[Old Rocks]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

Not only cannot you do simple math, you cannot read. The windmills and a Tesla 100 MW battery kept the grid from going down in Australia when a coal fired plant dropped offline. And I stated renewables in combination with grid scale batteries.

Tesla megabattery saves grid from generator failure? - Enterprise Times

Only commissioned on December 1st, a Tesla megabattery (the Hornsdale facility) ‘stepped in’ to balance the grid – reacting in 70ms and beating by far the contracted 6 second response time from another power plant. Though ‘unexpected’, the value of battery support for electric grid operations has again demonstrated itself.

Last week the Loy Yang power station tripped without warning early in the morning. This produced an immediate loss to the grid of 560MW. In turn this produced a network frequency slump (it fell below 49.80Mhz). What happened next startled electricity industry professionals. The implications for grids in the future are only starting to seep in.

The failure
The Loy Yang A 3 power station is a brown coal power station located in Victoria, about 150 Kms east of Melbourne. It tripped without warning at 1.59AM.

Such events occur. But network frequency drops, beyond certain parameters, can damage equipment, especially customer equipment. To minimise any impact, electricity and/or network operators contract for emergency input to the network to restore the grid frequency.

In this case another coal powered generator – the Gladstone Power Station (some 2000Kms away in Queensland) possessed the contract to respond and deliver FCAS (Frequency Control and Ancillary Services). The contracted response time was a ‘normal’ six seconds.

 

[westwall]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

Not only cannot you do simple math, you cannot read. The windmills and a Tesla 100 MW battery kept the grid from going down in Australia when a coal fired plant dropped offline. And I stated renewables in combination with grid scale batteries.

Tesla megabattery saves grid from generator failure? - Enterprise Times

Only commissioned on December 1st, a Tesla megabattery (the Hornsdale facility) ‘stepped in’ to balance the grid – reacting in 70ms and beating by far the contracted 6 second response time from another power plant. Though ‘unexpected’, the value of battery support for electric grid operations has again demonstrated itself.

Last week the Loy Yang power station tripped without warning early in the morning. This produced an immediate loss to the grid of 560MW. In turn this produced a network frequency slump (it fell below 49.80Mhz). What happened next startled electricity industry professionals. The implications for grids in the future are only starting to seep in.

The failure
The Loy Yang A 3 power station is a brown coal power station located in Victoria, about 150 Kms east of Melbourne. It tripped without warning at 1.59AM.

Such events occur. But network frequency drops, beyond certain parameters, can damage equipment, especially customer equipment. To minimise any impact, electricity and/or network operators contract for emergency input to the network to restore the grid frequency.

In this case another coal powered generator – the Gladstone Power Station (some 2000Kms away in Queensland) possessed the contract to respond and deliver FCAS (Frequency Control and Ancillary Services). The contracted response time was a ‘normal’ six seconds.

Yeah, that tesla battery can operate for ONE HOUR. What they did was basically a propaganda demonstration.

 

[Old Rocks]

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

Not only cannot you do simple math, you cannot read. The windmills and a Tesla 100 MW battery kept the grid from going down in Australia when a coal fired plant dropped offline. And I stated renewables in combination with grid scale batteries.

Tesla megabattery saves grid from generator failure? - Enterprise Times

Only commissioned on December 1st, a Tesla megabattery (the Hornsdale facility) ‘stepped in’ to balance the grid – reacting in 70ms and beating by far the contracted 6 second response time from another power plant. Though ‘unexpected’, the value of battery support for electric grid operations has again demonstrated itself.

Last week the Loy Yang power station tripped without warning early in the morning. This produced an immediate loss to the grid of 560MW. In turn this produced a network frequency slump (it fell below 49.80Mhz). What happened next startled electricity industry professionals. The implications for grids in the future are only starting to seep in.

The failure
The Loy Yang A 3 power station is a brown coal power station located in Victoria, about 150 Kms east of Melbourne. It tripped without warning at 1.59AM.

Such events occur. But network frequency drops, beyond certain parameters, can damage equipment, especially customer equipment. To minimise any impact, electricity and/or network operators contract for emergency input to the network to restore the grid frequency.

In this case another coal powered generator – the Gladstone Power Station (some 2000Kms away in Queensland) possessed the contract to respond and deliver FCAS (Frequency Control and Ancillary Services). The contracted response time was a ‘normal’ six seconds.

Yeah, that tesla battery can operate for ONE HOUR. What they did was basically a propaganda demonstration.

In this case, the battery was not designed to carry the grid for more than that. The important thing that it does is smooth out the variable power from the windmills. The response time was an unexpected bonus, and saved the utility an estimated one and one half million dollars. And since that time, it has happened one more time. So that battery has earned 3 million dollars since 1Dec17. Now there is a Tesla battery that is carrying a nearly full grid load;

Tesla's solar and battery project in Hawaii: we do the math

Tesla has contracted with the Kauai Island Utility Cooperative to provide up to 52 MWh of electricity to the grid every evening. The utility has agreed to pay a flat rate of 13.9 cents/kWh for this stored sunlight, about a 10-percent discount to the price they pay for power from diesel generators.

(The island will still need to burn diesel during peak electricity periods - it just won't need to burn as much. Plus, it’s occasionally cloudy and rainy, even in Hawaii.)

CHECK OUT: Tesla, SolarCity, and Ta'u: sun, storage batteries, clean energy (video) (Nov 2016)

As for why Tesla can’t sell electricity directly to the grid during the day, Kauai’s grid simply can’t absorb any more solar: at midday, photovoltaics can already produce upwards of 90 percent of the island’s needs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar.

No more "green energy" subsidies?

It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies.

How much are they spending because solar and wind is groovy? How much because of mandates?

Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel.

Baloney.

 

[bripat9643]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

Let's see, what does the satellite data show? Hmmmm . . . . . . not su much . . . .

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

About 3 years ago, the summer was so cool that my pool would never warm up enough for us to comfortably swim. We hardly ever saw 90 degrees.

The best thing about this discussion is how local anecdotal information is deemed to have value in a global context.

Exactly! Only warmers are allowed to use anecdotes.

 

[westwall]

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

What a ridiculous statement. They can't be cheaper you boob because you have to maintain a fossil fueled powerplant online to provide power when they invariably fail.

Not only cannot you do simple math, you cannot read. The windmills and a Tesla 100 MW battery kept the grid from going down in Australia when a coal fired plant dropped offline. And I stated renewables in combination with grid scale batteries.

Tesla megabattery saves grid from generator failure? - Enterprise Times

Only commissioned on December 1st, a Tesla megabattery (the Hornsdale facility) ‘stepped in’ to balance the grid – reacting in 70ms and beating by far the contracted 6 second response time from another power plant. Though ‘unexpected’, the value of battery support for electric grid operations has again demonstrated itself.

Last week the Loy Yang power station tripped without warning early in the morning. This produced an immediate loss to the grid of 560MW. In turn this produced a network frequency slump (it fell below 49.80Mhz). What happened next startled electricity industry professionals. The implications for grids in the future are only starting to seep in.

The failure
The Loy Yang A 3 power station is a brown coal power station located in Victoria, about 150 Kms east of Melbourne. It tripped without warning at 1.59AM.

Such events occur. But network frequency drops, beyond certain parameters, can damage equipment, especially customer equipment. To minimise any impact, electricity and/or network operators contract for emergency input to the network to restore the grid frequency.

In this case another coal powered generator – the Gladstone Power Station (some 2000Kms away in Queensland) possessed the contract to respond and deliver FCAS (Frequency Control and Ancillary Services). The contracted response time was a ‘normal’ six seconds.

Yeah, that tesla battery can operate for ONE HOUR. What they did was basically a propaganda demonstration.

In this case, the battery was not designed to carry the grid for more than that. The important thing that it does is smooth out the variable power from the windmills. The response time was an unexpected bonus, and saved the utility an estimated one and one half million dollars. And since that time, it has happened one more time. So that battery has earned 3 million dollars since 1Dec17. Now there is a Tesla battery that is carrying a nearly full grid load;

Tesla's solar and battery project in Hawaii: we do the math

Tesla has contracted with the Kauai Island Utility Cooperative to provide up to 52 MWh of electricity to the grid every evening. The utility has agreed to pay a flat rate of 13.9 cents/kWh for this stored sunlight, about a 10-percent discount to the price they pay for power from diesel generators.

(The island will still need to burn diesel during peak electricity periods - it just won't need to burn as much. Plus, it’s occasionally cloudy and rainy, even in Hawaii.)

CHECK OUT: Tesla, SolarCity, and Ta'u: sun, storage batteries, clean energy (video) (Nov 2016)

As for why Tesla can’t sell electricity directly to the grid during the day, Kauai’s grid simply can’t absorb any more solar: at midday, photovoltaics can already produce upwards of 90 percent of the island’s needs.

Yes, imagine that. They install more solar modules than are needed to insure they can continue to produce power, AND they are covering an area the size of Vatican City to do so....and, they still have to have diesel generators for when it rains. But, overall, I think it's a good experiment to see how good the system works.

 

[bripat9643]

Quick, let's spend another trillion on windmills!!!

Many billions will be spent on windmills and solar, as they are now cheap enough generation that it is profitable to retire working coal plants, and get the power from the wind and sunlight.

Wind and Solar require 100% backup from a realiable source of power, so no one will be retiring any coal or natural gas powered plants.

 

[theHawk]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

4) the Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years already.

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

4) the Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years already.

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

Not necessarily. The spikes in temperature rises were not just up down. The first one 400,000 years ago was up, up a bit, up a bit, hit a peak, then down. The peaks are lasting a certain period of time, not always equal. But where you see a peak maybe 10,000 years ago, and then a drop, and then going up a bit and down a bit suggests that the downward spiral was on.

It's possible that during this drop we're going through a natural rise. I'm not going to say for certain that something should be happening. You might be right or you might be wrong about that.

The issue here is one of other stuff. Simple "It's getting warms" or "it's getting cooler" isn't the issue here.

This is the issue, we don't know the impact of what we're doing on the planet.

Mao decided that the pesky birds were eating the crops. So he had Chinese peasants go and kill the birds. What happened? The insects became prominent and ate MORE of the crops. He couldn't see what would be the cause of what he was doing. The same stands for us on pollution levels.

The first worrying thing is that the oceans are changing rapidly due to taking in more CO2. In the past this probably happened also, but probably not so quickly. Sea life could probably adapt OVER TIME, but maybe not over a shorter period of time. If the ocean life dies, the oceans will not only stop taking in more CO2, they'll start RELEASING CO2 into the atmosphere. That alone could be catastrophic, if it were to happen.

Will it happen? We don't know.

If you just off a cliff, will you land in the sea and swim to safety or hit the rocks and die? Would you take the chance on jumping without knowing it was safe?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

Let's see, what does the satellite data show? Hmmmm . . . . . . not su much . . . .

^ 2 decade pause

 

[Wyatt earp]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

4) the Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years already.

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

Not necessarily. The spikes in temperature rises were not just up down. The first one 400,000 years ago was up, up a bit, up a bit, hit a peak, then down. The peaks are lasting a certain period of time, not always equal. But where you see a peak maybe 10,000 years ago, and then a drop, and then going up a bit and down a bit suggests that the downward spiral was on.

It's possible that during this drop we're going through a natural rise. I'm not going to say for certain that something should be happening. You might be right or you might be wrong about that.

The issue here is one of other stuff. Simple "It's getting warms" or "it's getting cooler" isn't the issue here.

This is the issue, we don't know the impact of what we're doing on the planet.

Mao decided that the pesky birds were eating the crops. So he had Chinese peasants go and kill the birds. What happened? The insects became prominent and ate MORE of the crops. He couldn't see what would be the cause of what he was doing. The same stands for us on pollution levels.

The first worrying thing is that the oceans are changing rapidly due to taking in more CO2. In the past this probably happened also, but probably not so quickly. Sea life could probably adapt OVER TIME, but maybe not over a shorter period of time. If the ocean life dies, the oceans will not only stop taking in more CO2, they'll start RELEASING CO2 into the atmosphere. That alone could be catastrophic, if it were to happen.

Will it happen? We don't know.

If you just off a cliff, will you land in the sea and swim to safety or hit the rocks and die? Would you take the chance on jumping without knowing it was safe?

You don't send the world into a depression either over unknown science .

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

4) the Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years already.

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

Not necessarily. The spikes in temperature rises were not just up down. The first one 400,000 years ago was up, up a bit, up a bit, hit a peak, then down. The peaks are lasting a certain period of time, not always equal. But where you see a peak maybe 10,000 years ago, and then a drop, and then going up a bit and down a bit suggests that the downward spiral was on.

It's possible that during this drop we're going through a natural rise. I'm not going to say for certain that something should be happening. You might be right or you might be wrong about that.

The issue here is one of other stuff. Simple "It's getting warms" or "it's getting cooler" isn't the issue here.

This is the issue, we don't know the impact of what we're doing on the planet.

Mao decided that the pesky birds were eating the crops. So he had Chinese peasants go and kill the birds. What happened? The insects became prominent and ate MORE of the crops. He couldn't see what would be the cause of what he was doing. The same stands for us on pollution levels.

The first worrying thing is that the oceans are changing rapidly due to taking in more CO2. In the past this probably happened also, but probably not so quickly. Sea life could probably adapt OVER TIME, but maybe not over a shorter period of time. If the ocean life dies, the oceans will not only stop taking in more CO2, they'll start RELEASING CO2 into the atmosphere. That alone could be catastrophic, if it were to happen.

Will it happen? We don't know.

If you just off a cliff, will you land in the sea and swim to safety or hit the rocks and die? Would you take the chance on jumping without knowing it was safe?

You don't send the world into a depression either over unknown science .

^ this

It's not about saying the planet, its about controlling mankind

 

[theHawk]

4) the Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years already.

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

Not necessarily. The spikes in temperature rises were not just up down. The first one 400,000 years ago was up, up a bit, up a bit, hit a peak, then down. The peaks are lasting a certain period of time, not always equal. But where you see a peak maybe 10,000 years ago, and then a drop, and then going up a bit and down a bit suggests that the downward spiral was on.

It's possible that during this drop we're going through a natural rise. I'm not going to say for certain that something should be happening. You might be right or you might be wrong about that.

The issue here is one of other stuff. Simple "It's getting warms" or "it's getting cooler" isn't the issue here.

This is the issue, we don't know the impact of what we're doing on the planet.

Mao decided that the pesky birds were eating the crops. So he had Chinese peasants go and kill the birds. What happened? The insects became prominent and ate MORE of the crops. He couldn't see what would be the cause of what he was doing. The same stands for us on pollution levels.

The first worrying thing is that the oceans are changing rapidly due to taking in more CO2. In the past this probably happened also, but probably not so quickly. Sea life could probably adapt OVER TIME, but maybe not over a shorter period of time. If the ocean life dies, the oceans will not only stop taking in more CO2, they'll start RELEASING CO2 into the atmosphere. That alone could be catastrophic, if it were to happen.

Will it happen? We don't know.

If you just off a cliff, will you land in the sea and swim to safety or hit the rocks and die? Would you take the chance on jumping without knowing it was safe?

You don't send the world into a depression either over unknown science .

^ this

It's not about saying the planet, its about controlling mankind

If globalists cared about the planet they would be punishing China for shitting all over the environment. Instead they are rewarded with manufacturing plants and trade deals that benefit the Chinese and rewards them for using slaves and dumping on the environment.

 

[Old Rocks]

I just love threads like this after I cleaned another 6 inches of global warming off my car. My grandkids have been out of school for a week and a half because the snow won't melt off of the roads and last night it was 3 degrees with a wind chill of about -10.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

Another person who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

When it's warmer that usual, that's climate.
When it's colder than usual, that's weather.

Quick, give government $2 trillion to waste on windmills.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar. It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies. Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel. Combined with grid scale storage, renewables are the future, no matter how much that distresses you.

As you damned well know, it is not the government that will spend trillions of dollars on windmills and solar.

No more "green energy" subsidies?

It is the utility companies, with or without subsidies.

How much are they spending because solar and wind is groovy? How much because of mandates?

Because both wind and solar generate electricity cheaper than any fossil fuel.

Baloney.

https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine...nergy-costs-wind-energy-costs-LCOE-Lazard.png

And wind and solar continue to come down in price, even as fossil fuels and nuclear continue to go up in price.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling.

Data from different places tells us this.

It also suggests that we'd already reached the peak, like 120,000 years ago, 220,000 years ago, 320,000 years. After each even the temperatures went down again. Except this time.

And yet it “stayed warm” long before the industrial revolution which means it’s perfectly natural.

Not necessarily. The spikes in temperature rises were not just up down. The first one 400,000 years ago was up, up a bit, up a bit, hit a peak, then down. The peaks are lasting a certain period of time, not always equal. But where you see a peak maybe 10,000 years ago, and then a drop, and then going up a bit and down a bit suggests that the downward spiral was on.

It's possible that during this drop we're going through a natural rise. I'm not going to say for certain that something should be happening. You might be right or you might be wrong about that.

The issue here is one of other stuff. Simple "It's getting warms" or "it's getting cooler" isn't the issue here.

This is the issue, we don't know the impact of what we're doing on the planet.

Mao decided that the pesky birds were eating the crops. So he had Chinese peasants go and kill the birds. What happened? The insects became prominent and ate MORE of the crops. He couldn't see what would be the cause of what he was doing. The same stands for us on pollution levels.

The first worrying thing is that the oceans are changing rapidly due to taking in more CO2. In the past this probably happened also, but probably not so quickly. Sea life could probably adapt OVER TIME, but maybe not over a shorter period of time. If the ocean life dies, the oceans will not only stop taking in more CO2, they'll start RELEASING CO2 into the atmosphere. That alone could be catastrophic, if it were to happen.

Will it happen? We don't know.

If you just off a cliff, will you land in the sea and swim to safety or hit the rocks and die? Would you take the chance on jumping without knowing it was safe?

You don't send the world into a depression either over unknown science .

^ this

It's not about saying the planet, its about controlling mankind

If globalists cared about the planet they would be punishing China for shitting all over the environment. Instead they are rewarded with manufacturing plants and trade deals that benefit the Chinese and rewards them for using slaves and dumping on the environment.

Even without El Niño.
There are several defense mechanisms conservatives may use in order to control the anger resulting from this news.
1) Rate the thread "funny"
2) Say that it's really cold in a region of a country, rather than in Earth as a whole.
3) Benghazi!

2017 Was One of the Hottest Years on Record. And That Was Without El Niño.

Let's see, what does the satellite data show? Hmmmm . . . . . . not su much . . . .

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_December_2017_v6.jpg

Now why do you suppose that you used a graph a year old? Could it be that you did not want anyone to notice that we are now in a La Nina, yet the temps are still up in very high territory. And most of the world is warmer right now than it has been in the period of measurement.