As a libertarian I support your choices.

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    As a committed lifelong libertarian I support your right to enjoy the liberties we have here in the United States. You certainly have every right to eat bad food like a pig, smoke tobacco like a chimney, drink alcohol like a fish, smoke weed on a regular basis and lay around like a sloth. God bless America.

    What I find difficult to grasp is your eager support of Venezuelan-style government health insurance like the Affordable Care Act that forces the rest of us to pay for your choices. Forty years ago when many were putting powder up their noses like there was no tomorrow I was running ten miles a day. A respected local physician told me many years ago that when my joints and ligaments began to protest I should transition to the bicycle which I did in 1983.

    With the thousands I saved from not smoking, drinking to excess and using illegal drugs I was able to purchase an expensive racing bicycle and never looked back. Today at 72 I have a 45-year-old body from riding with people decades younger than I am.

    You are free to do live any way you want. If you want to get your leg sawed off from self-inflicted diabetes go for it. If you want to cough up blood because your liver looks like a Sun-dried sponge, have at it. If you want to be financially destroyed by paying for quadruple heart bypass surgery I won’t stand in your way. You certainly have every right to spend you twilight years enjoying your COPD; I choose to have clear lungs so I can chase the wind on my bike.

    What I can’t understand is that you want me to pay for all the dancing you did as the fiddler’s bill comes due. Why are you trying to use the government to strong-arm me to pay your bill? No government insurance buys me new tires for my bike or prescription coverage to pay for expensive frame components or cycle clothing.

    I want you to be happy as you dance but you must pay your own bill as you either drop dead or end up swallowing your face in a nursing home at fifty. It’s your choice and as a libertarian I support that choice. Enjoy your handicap parking sticker and electric shopping cart; I’ll ride my bike. I want the government to leave me alone.
     
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    The lefties of the boars will always want all that, and then want you to pay for it.

    That's why they support socialism.
     
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    People make bad choices. It’s only human. Would you rather they not be supported and die in the gutter?

    The problem today is government and big business are one. Their goal is profit and power. The people have no protections from these two criminal enterprises.

    I would love a libertarian society, but it ain’t going to happen in the quasi Fascist State we live in today.
     
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    Simple solutions to complex problems are always wrong.

    This is a fine example. If you want the government to leave you alone it has to work the other way too. That would mean if someone gets into an accident or gets sick, hospitals would refuse them service if they don't have health insurance. You may think this is justice but if that sick person is a baby, do you want to live in a country that turns that baby away because their parents didn't have coverage?
     
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    The government and hospitals are separate entities. Hospital policy in the US refuses no one in emergencies. Insurance on the other hand works best in competitive free markets. Health insurance is being used a political leverage to move the country to the left.
     
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    Great post. Freedom means that you are free to make bad decisions as well as good ones for yourself. Keep riding I will keep running as long as my knees let me.
     
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    Reagan said it best, "Congress spends money like a drunken sailor. But at least the sailor spends his own money".
     
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    That's just naive. Hospitals are licensed and regulated by gov't so their policies are gov't policies.

    I'm fine with letting adults make bad choices but every child in this country should have access to quality healthcare. If that means we all chip in, so be it. I have no issue with private insurance and providers and Medicare for all doesn't mean the end of the private sector.

    If you think this country is not already on the left when it comes to health care, try ending Medicare and see where that goes.
     
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    No, take care of your OWN kids-it is YOUR responsibility.
     
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    True but if I can't or won't take care of my own kids, what then? Until you can come up with something better than 'let them suffer and die' Libertarians will never be more than a radical fringe party.
     

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