Are we too far gone?

[Rigby5]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

My suggestion is you take a long walk, have a cappuccino and say hi to your neighbors, pat a dog, call a friend.
It's only as bad as you say if you get twisted around in social media platforms like this one or listening to politi-pump "news" stations like CNN or FOX.

Locally of course humans will always be human, so you can find normal individuals.
But that really is not the point, when it comes to what we support with out tax dollars.

It was pretty clear with Vietnam we were totally on the wrong side, and still continued to waste billions of dollars and tens of a million lives, (US and Vietnamese).
And it has only gotten much worse, with the attempted illegal invasions or regime changes in Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Syria, etc.
We don't even have even the minimum of health care the rest of the world has.
And the highest % imprisoned in the whole world.
Probably near to the worst country on the whole planet.

 

[sealybobo]

I think most Gays, like everyone else are usually reasonable people. It is the militant, activist Gays that sue bakers, and try to not only garner acceptance from government, and the populace but demand PROMOTION , and encouragement of their lifestyle as if it were "normal", and mainstream. It isn't. The LGBT community is maybe 1% of the population, but they want you to think they are many, many more. It is a big Media, Entertainment Industry, Democrat LIE.

Reasonable people??

Do reasonable people have low logic and make bad decisions ?

They don't decide to be gay anymore than you decided to be straight. Or are you telling us you are bisexual?

Gays are very successful people, they raise property values and the crime rate in the gay community is pretty low.

in 2012 that the lifelong probability of a marriage ending in divorce is 40%–50%

So let me know when straights start making better decisions.

Bringing a big imbalance of young to old destroys a nation

That is the harm of the gay decision and liberals decision of pro choice

Holy fuck that is hilarious. We are so fucking overpopulated that we need to lower the number of people having kids.

It may hurt our economy for a bit but it certainly won't destroy our nation.

Again, you are being a snowflake.

This is the argument Republicans will make when they say we need more immigrants. No we do not. We are overpopulated as is. Fuck growth I want to shrink.

Overconsumption is costing us the earth and human happiness

Humanity Has Officially Consumed More Than Earth Can Produce This Year

Wake up people

And please, more people should abort.

 

[sealybobo]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

My suggestion is you take a long walk, have a cappuccino and say hi to your neighbors, pat a dog, call a friend.
It's only as bad as you say if you get twisted around in social media platforms like this one or listening to politi-pump "news" stations like CNN or FOX.

Locally of course humans will always be human, so you can find normal individuals.
But that really is not the point, when it comes to what we support with out tax dollars.

It was pretty clear with Vietnam we were totally on the wrong side, and still continued to waste billions of dollars and tens of a million lives, (US and Vietnamese).
And it has only gotten much worse, with the attempted illegal invasions or regime changes in Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Syria, etc.
We don't even have even the minimum of health care the rest of the world has.
And the highest % imprisoned in the whole world.
Probably near to the worst country on the whole planet.

And the best. LOL. We are both the worst and the best.

 

[sealybobo]

I think most Gays, like everyone else are usually reasonable people. It is the militant, activist Gays that sue bakers, and try to not only garner acceptance from government, and the populace but demand PROMOTION , and encouragement of their lifestyle as if it were "normal", and mainstream. It isn't. The LGBT community is maybe 1% of the population, but they want you to think they are many, many more. It is a big Media, Entertainment Industry, Democrat LIE.

Reasonable people??

Do reasonable people have low logic and make bad decisions ?

They don't decide to be gay anymore than you decided to be straight. Or are you telling us you are bisexual?

Gays are very successful people, they raise property values and the crime rate in the gay community is pretty low.

in 2012 that the lifelong probability of a marriage ending in divorce is 40%–50%

So let me know when straights start making better decisions.

Bringing a big imbalance of young to old destroys a nation

That is the harm of the gay decision and liberals decision of pro choice

GreenAndBlue: Me old, me white, me afraid.

And why worry when me be dead soon.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Do you think us liberals were any happier with Bush/Chaney?

The “Vice” actor thanked Satan for inspiring him in his portrayal of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Liz Cheney Slams Christian Bale For Golden Globes Remarks About Her Father | HuffPost

Yea we believe Dick Chaney is an evil man. Probably sold his soul to the devil years ago.

Or when you imagine the kind of person who would sell their soul, Chaney would be the kind of guy I would imagine to make sure a deal. LOL

My post had nothing to do with any person in particular. It had to do with the general tone that I've observed by everyone. I didn't post to point fingers, I just was curious as to if anyone else had noticed the things I am noticing.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

My suggestion is you take a long walk, have a cappuccino and say hi to your neighbors, pat a dog, call a friend.
It's only as bad as you say if you get twisted around in social media platforms like this one or listening to politi-pump "news" stations like CNN or FOX.

Agreed. Maybe what I'm noticing is actually a small segment of people. Perhaps most people in general are simply just trying to along in life.

It's just that I see the division on the political scene, in the media, and placed like usmb, and wonder if most of the country is that divided.

 

[sealybobo]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Do you think us liberals were any happier with Bush/Chaney?

The “Vice” actor thanked Satan for inspiring him in his portrayal of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Liz Cheney Slams Christian Bale For Golden Globes Remarks About Her Father | HuffPost

Yea we believe Dick Chaney is an evil man. Probably sold his soul to the devil years ago.

Or when you imagine the kind of person who would sell their soul, Chaney would be the kind of guy I would imagine to make sure a deal. LOL

My post had nothing to do with any person in particular. It had to do with the general tone that I've observed by everyone. I didn't post to point fingers, I just was curious as to if anyone else had noticed the things I am noticing.

Lets just say the America you knew is dead. The idea that all the nurses and all the teachers and all the factory workers are going to make good money and be a part of the middle class is dead. It's every man for himself. No collective bargaining. So you are going to see lots of unhappy Americans who are actually lower middle class with no savings. These people will never retire with dignity. They'll work till they die.

This is working out for me very well but for years I advocated for unions, medicare and social security. You know, social programs that benefit the masses. Screw that.

There are many ways the middle class has been hurt. This is one of them. My poor grandmothers were able to live off their social security and interest they got from their savings accounts. Those days are gone. Most of you don't have any savings. You look middle class but you are only getting by. You will be old and tired and realize you don't have a pension or savings and even social security and medicare will be a joke. Don't forget you voted for it when you voted Republican. The every man for himself party.

Most Republican voters will not benefit from this but they are voting for god, gays and guns and a racism. Sad

 

[ThisIsMe]

"We respect the entire document AS WRITTEN and not used for ridiculous Social Engineering."


really?

do you support legalizing pot?
allowing gays equal rights?
allowing all religions (and non-religion) equal rights and opportunities?

I support legalizing ALL DRUGS.

I support gays doing whatever they want within the law.

I am not a religious person so I don't care what religious people do, or don't do.

Perhaps

But LOTS of conservatives do NOT!

The fact that I can read (on this message board EVERY DAY) attacks on gays by conservatives is a pretty good indication that MOST conservatives would create LAWS against homosexuals first chance they get.

The people still supporting CRIMINALIZING pot smokers are MOSTLY conservatives.

And there are many conservatives who voice their belief that America IS a "christian nation" and the bible should be the basis of law in the USA.

Pence believes that
Roy Moore believes that
Rush limbaugh believes that
Hannity believes that
Oreilly believes that
Beck believes that


Do you care about THAT?

Actually, this forum does not attack gays. Left wing politics has you thinking that way because they say that any disagreement with them is right wing hatred.

You'll never find any right wing talk show host attacking gay people. Sorry, it just doesnt happen. Just because they dont believe gay marriage should be recognized doesnt make then anti gay. It's their christian values, and that doesnt make than wrong, it just makes them opposed to that idea.

People are so quick to trash Christian's for their beliefs, as if they are horrible people, yet gay people are allowed to do whatever they want and it's ok. If gay people are allowed to have their say, why cant Christian's? Are you saying the gay community has more rights?

Just because someone doesnt approve of the homosexual lifestyle doesnt make them a bad person. Why do people insist on forcing beliefs on other people. You can still like them as a person, and disagree with their lifestyle.

Christians can hold whatever beliefs they want, but by trying to take rights, such as the civil protections of marriage, from gay people, they are interfering with gays' rights to be treated equally and fairly. Why can't people understand that? It is not a Christian's right to tell the rest of the world how to behave.

I'm not disagreeing with you. My reply to that post was talking about differences in the left and right media.

I was simply pointing out that, right wingers are not the haters that the left makes them out to be. It's ok to disagree with someone else on any topic. It's not like hannity is out there putting in effort to stop gay marriage. He is just voicing his beliefs, and that doesnt make him a bad guy, it just means he doesnt agree with other peoples opinions.

More often than not, it is left wing talk shows that demonize the right. Were talking pretty much literal hate speech, ridicule, and then saying that all right wingers are anti gay, racist, and trying to steal your money. That isn't the case.

That's why I said, people need to take the time to actually listen to these talk hosts rather than just believe what your favorite talking head says about them. When I listen to right wing talk, I find them to mostly talk about the constitution, and personal liberty. They are always calm and thoughtful. You never hear then go off on a hate filled tangent and tell their callers to "f off" (which I've heard signorile and obiedalah do on several occasions)

That's all I was saying.

 

[22lcidw]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Do you think us liberals were any happier with Bush/Chaney?

The “Vice” actor thanked Satan for inspiring him in his portrayal of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Liz Cheney Slams Christian Bale For Golden Globes Remarks About Her Father | HuffPost

Yea we believe Dick Chaney is an evil man. Probably sold his soul to the devil years ago.

Or when you imagine the kind of person who would sell their soul, Chaney would be the kind of guy I would imagine to make sure a deal. LOL

My post had nothing to do with any person in particular. It had to do with the general tone that I've observed by everyone. I didn't post to point fingers, I just was curious as to if anyone else had noticed the things I am noticing.

Lets just say the America you knew is dead. The idea that all the nurses and all the teachers and all the factory workers are going to make good money and be a part of the middle class is dead. It's every man for himself. No collective bargaining. So you are going to see lots of unhappy Americans who are actually lower middle class with no savings. These people will never retire with dignity. They'll work till they die.

This is working out for me very well but for years I advocated for unions, medicare and social security. You know, social programs that benefit the masses. Screw that.

There are many ways the middle class has been hurt. This is one of them. My poor grandmothers were able to live off their social security and interest they got from their savings accounts. Those days are gone. Most of you don't have any savings. You look middle class but you are only getting by. You will be old and tired and realize you don't have a pension or savings and even social security and medicare will be a joke. Don't forget you voted for it when you voted Republican. The every man for himself party.

Most Republican voters will not benefit from this but they are voting for god, gays and guns and a racism. Sad

You keep spouting that rubbish on Repub voters. Progressives have constantly screwed over working class people who are not in a privileged job. I repeat. Not in a job of privilege. And people in that class keep voting for progressives. We can talk about haves and have nots in general. But middle class jobs are the same way. If you believe in your socialism, then this has to change. Unfortunately it does not mean that wages will rise. It may mean that the privilege jobs wages, benefits and pensions must be reduced for the good of all. Anyone going to give that up? And of course if this happens, the rich must pay. And pay a lot.

 

[candycorn]

I support legalizing ALL DRUGS.

I support gays doing whatever they want within the law.

I am not a religious person so I don't care what religious people do, or don't do.

Perhaps

But LOTS of conservatives do NOT!

The fact that I can read (on this message board EVERY DAY) attacks on gays by conservatives is a pretty good indication that MOST conservatives would create LAWS against homosexuals first chance they get.

The people still supporting CRIMINALIZING pot smokers are MOSTLY conservatives.

And there are many conservatives who voice their belief that America IS a "christian nation" and the bible should be the basis of law in the USA.

Pence believes that
Roy Moore believes that
Rush limbaugh believes that
Hannity believes that
Oreilly believes that
Beck believes that


Do you care about THAT?

Actually, this forum does not attack gays. Left wing politics has you thinking that way because they say that any disagreement with them is right wing hatred.

You'll never find any right wing talk show host attacking gay people. Sorry, it just doesnt happen. Just because they dont believe gay marriage should be recognized doesnt make then anti gay. It's their christian values, and that doesnt make than wrong, it just makes them opposed to that idea.

People are so quick to trash Christian's for their beliefs, as if they are horrible people, yet gay people are allowed to do whatever they want and it's ok. If gay people are allowed to have their say, why cant Christian's? Are you saying the gay community has more rights?

Just because someone doesnt approve of the homosexual lifestyle doesnt make them a bad person. Why do people insist on forcing beliefs on other people. You can still like them as a person, and disagree with their lifestyle.

Do gays say they don’t think you should have rights they have? You don’t see the difference.

You people think gays are going to hell. Don’t sugar coat it.

First he says:

“Just because they dont believe gay marriage should be recognized doesnt make then anti gay.”

Then 4 sentences later….

"Why do people insist on forcing beliefs on other people.”

Sometimes the comedy writes itself.

What right wing talk host is trying to force their beliefs on you? They dont agree that gay marriage should be the law, but you dont see them out there advocating congress to ban gay marriage.

Glenn Beck had an entire rally on the mall in DC about his beliefs. Politicians were there… you know the guys who make public policies. What would you call that?

Realize, these talk show hosts are not trying to force you to believe or accept anything, they are just stating their opinion, but you can be sure that the gay community are doing their best to force everyone else to accept their lifestyle.

So, my statement still stands. One community will use the law and the media to try and force people to accept them, the other is simply just giving their opinion.

Force you to accept them? What are you being forced to do sonny?

Those who support marriage equality (as I do) think the State shouldn’t have to bless your marriage before you can get the benefits that heterosexual couples receive. Whether you accept it or not….nobody cares except you.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Definitely our best days are long gone. As a monoculture, we were awesome, but it's over.

It was a great ride !

 

[playtime]

we won't begin to heal until we get rid of the orange cancer.

& he is a cancer.

 

[B. Kidd]

As a country, we were born in a revolution, but died in endless foreign wars.
One generation got old, and the next generation got sold!

 

[eagle7_31]

we won't begin to heal until we get rid of the orange cancer.

& he is a cancer.

I feel the same about Obama and 90% of the demrat party. If it matters I also feel that way about 70% of the GOP.

 

[playtime]

we won't begin to heal until we get rid of the orange cancer.

& he is a cancer.

I feel the same about Obama and 90% of the demrat party. If it matters I also feel that way about 70% of the GOP.

lol... obama isn't putin's bitch. & 70 or 90% of the (D)s aren't russian complaisant pussies.

 

[candycorn]

I wouldn’t throw dirt on the US just yet.

However…

"As 10,000 baby boomers retire each day into the embrace of the entitlement state, rapid economic growth becomes more imperative and, because of the increasing weight of the state, more difficult to maintain. Entitlement spending and the cost of servicing the surging national debt increasingly crowd out rival claims on scarce public resources, including those for basic science. Because it is politically expedient to sacrifice the future, which does not vote, to the consumption of government services by those who do, America is eating its seed corn.”

—George F. Will

 

[Valerie]

Definitely our best days are long gone. As a monoculture, we were awesome, but it's over.

It was a great ride !

no way. our pendulum will swing on and our constitution will stand infinitely..

 

[Valerie]

"we were awesome, but it's over."




speak for yourself, weaksauce!

 

[candycorn]

I wouldn’t throw dirt on the US just yet.

However…

"As 10,000 baby boomers retire each day into the embrace of the entitlement state, rapid economic growth becomes more imperative and, because of the increasing weight of the state, more difficult to maintain. Entitlement spending and the cost of servicing the surging national debt increasingly crowd out rival claims on scarce public resources, including those for basic science. Because it is politically expedient to sacrifice the future, which does not vote, to the consumption of government services by those who do, America is eating its seed corn.”

—George F. Will

Just an aside as we are seeing our toxic atmosphere for immigrants (both legal and illegal) permeate every nook and cranny of the society…


"H-1B is a work visa used to employ specialty workers in the U.S. It's often referred to as the highly skilled worker visa, because many H-1B holders work as engineers, scientists, and in the tech industry. In 2018, 199,000 people applied for an H-1B visa. That's way more than the 85,000 slots available every year. But that's also way down from 2017, when 236,000 people applied for the H-1B. That's roughly a 16% drop in applications. Today on The Indicator, we talk with William Kerr, a professor at Harvard Business School, about what that could mean for the U.S. economy.”

Other nations are willing to take those that we turn away….

 

[sealybobo]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

I’m curious how much this corporatist Supreme Court is going to go when so many of those conservative policies are actually unpopular with the masses if you include all the dummies who don’t show up to vote because you’ve convinced them liberal are to blame and democrats are no better than republicans. And anyone who disagrees is a rino or commie