Any small government conservatives out there?

[buckeye45_73]

Well lets score your post, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, wrong. You may want to start over.

Repubs control the government and that is what they are doing. So what is wrong?

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

They just passed a huge increase in spending. Why not just not pass anything? We didn’t need more spending...

You have a link, so I can see the details? I agree, I would like less, but I'll need the details to see what happened.

 

[Brain357]

Well lets score your post, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, wrong. You may want to start over.

Repubs control the government and that is what they are doing. So what is wrong?

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

Lets also clear this up, filthy lying establishment RINO's in the Republican party are not conservatives. Give fiscal conservatives control of the budget and this mess would be cleaned up. We'll start with the nearly $400 BILLION in government waste and fraud that was lost 2016 alone. That's 10% of the Federal budget.

Fiscal conservatives still exist? I haven’t seen any.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I am against the current tax cuts, I am against corporate welfare, I am for a balanced budget and would be willing to see taxes go up, only if we would use it in conjunction with lowering the deficit and cutting spending. Unemployment insurance and social security you pay into so these are not entitlements and I have no issue with them.

Sounds good to me. Why is it no politicians are on board?

Because you cant get enough to vote for cuts......you guys bring out the school children if we even talk about slowing the growth of the school lunch program (not cut, just not as large of an increase as the previous year)

if you really care about the debt, you need to see the tactics your side employs and all the emotional blackmail they use to stop any cuts from happening.

I’m not a democrat...

The repubs wanted their spending. We didn’t need more spending. Deficits were declining...

well it did under Bush, 2007 it was like $163 billion, which was nothing compared to Obama, and Bush was a big spending republican. We just need to stop spending.....but try telling any or our politicians that.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Repubs control the government and that is what they are doing. So what is wrong?

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

Lets also clear this up, filthy lying establishment RINO's in the Republican party are not conservatives. Give fiscal conservatives control of the budget and this mess would be cleaned up. We'll start with the nearly $400 BILLION in government waste and fraud that was lost 2016 alone. That's 10% of the Federal budget.

Fiscal conservatives still exist? I haven’t seen any.

They do, but democrats will demagogue the issue and are supported by the press....so people think any cuts will kill children and toss granny off a cliff........so it makes it really hard......

 

[Brain357]

Repubs control the government and that is what they are doing. So what is wrong?

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

They just passed a huge increase in spending. Why not just not pass anything? We didn’t need more spending...

You have a link, so I can see the details? I agree, I would like less, but I'll need the details to see what happened.

Some details
Trump Signs Budget Deal to Raise Spending and Reopen Government

Rand Paul only one who seemed to know it was bad.

 

[Brain357]

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

Lets also clear this up, filthy lying establishment RINO's in the Republican party are not conservatives. Give fiscal conservatives control of the budget and this mess would be cleaned up. We'll start with the nearly $400 BILLION in government waste and fraud that was lost 2016 alone. That's 10% of the Federal budget.

Fiscal conservatives still exist? I haven’t seen any.

They do, but democrats will demagogue the issue and are supported by the press....so people think any cuts will kill children and toss granny off a cliff........so it makes it really hard......

From what I have seen, repubs want increases as much as dems...

In this economy cuts should be very possible.

 

[Dschrute3]

There are no 'Small Government Conservatives.' That's a myth. Unfortunately, most are about small or big Government as a matter of convenience. Libertarians are probably the only genuine Small Government folks out there. That's the reality.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

They just passed a huge increase in spending. Why not just not pass anything? We didn’t need more spending...

You have a link, so I can see the details? I agree, I would like less, but I'll need the details to see what happened.

Some details
Trump Signs Budget Deal to Raise Spending and Reopen Government

Rand Paul only one who seemed to know it was bad.

crap, its behind a pay wall, ill check into it....gonna be a bit though.
It looks like the one to avert a shutdown, so they probably gave the dems a little something to avoid it..so they could claim something for their constituents........I don't like it, but it's Washington.....but ill check into the details.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

Lets also clear this up, filthy lying establishment RINO's in the Republican party are not conservatives. Give fiscal conservatives control of the budget and this mess would be cleaned up. We'll start with the nearly $400 BILLION in government waste and fraud that was lost 2016 alone. That's 10% of the Federal budget.

Fiscal conservatives still exist? I haven’t seen any.

They do, but democrats will demagogue the issue and are supported by the press....so people think any cuts will kill children and toss granny off a cliff........so it makes it really hard......

From what I have seen, repubs want increases as much as dems...

In this economy cuts should be very possible.

no, that's not true, but getting cuts is much harder than increasing spending....much much harder....taking away candy is easier than giving it......We've never had a president with the balls to eliminate whole programs, maybe Trump can....we'll see.

 

[skews13]

no we are small government, but until you guys are ready to work on entitlements it doesn't matter

What do you mean work on entitlements?

You mean negotiate for less of my money that's owed to me that I have already paid in?

Why do think they are called "entitlements"?

Are you willing to negotiate away some of your money?

Entitlements aren't big government, and are not up for negotiation.

Big government is the bloated defense contracting industry.

Big government are corporate subsidies, pass throughs, and tax give aways.

Big government is the Dept of Homeland Security.

Big government is the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Big government is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement

Let us know when those big government agencies have been dissolved and we can further discuss what government should be.

 

[LaDexter]

well it did under Bush

Good God....

 

[LaDexter]

There are no 'Small Government Conservatives.'

because the word "conservative" has changed its definition.

Newt Gingrich and Reagan were pre 1998 conservatives who were also fiscal conservatives. Those two did more to get us to budget surplus than any others...

but neither would be welcome today in the post 1998 GOP. Reagan failed to start a war with Hezbo when Israel offed our Marines in Lebanon and tried to false flag Hezbo for it. Had W or LBJ been in office, we would have gone to war with the enemy of those who did it...

"conservative" today means the following

We do everything we can to ensure Israel gets away with 911

 

[Brain357]

I often think this is why we will never get cuts:
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States

 

[buckeye45_73]

no we are small government, but until you guys are ready to work on entitlements it doesn't matter

What do you mean work on entitlements?

You mean negotiate for less of my money that's owed to me that I have already paid in?

Why do think they are called "entitlements"?

Are you willing to negotiate away some of your money?

Entitlements aren't big government, and are not up for negotiation.

Big government is the bloated defense contracting industry.

Big government are corporate subsidies, pass throughs, and tax give aways.

Big government is the Dept of Homeland Security.

Big government is the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Big government is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement

Let us know when those big government agencies have been dissolved and we can further discuss what government should be.

Uh, well you know the government takes social security money and uses it in the general fun to cover the deficit?
Second I have no problem with getting rid of some of those agencies or cutting them.
Cutting NEA, school lunch program, NEH, lots of things can be done
But entitlements need to be reformed, they tried to add a private option...it wouldn't have effected current users. So you need to do something...

 

[Brain357]

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

They just passed a huge increase in spending. Why not just not pass anything? We didn’t need more spending...

You have a link, so I can see the details? I agree, I would like less, but I'll need the details to see what happened.

Some details
Trump Signs Budget Deal to Raise Spending and Reopen Government

Rand Paul only one who seemed to know it was bad.

crap, its behind a pay wall, ill check into it....gonna be a bit though.
It looks like the one to avert a shutdown, so they probably gave the dems a little something to avoid it..so they could claim something for their constituents........I don't like it, but it's Washington.....but ill check into the details.

Some details from link:
With Mr. Trump’s signature, the government will reopen before many Americans were aware it had closed, with a deal that includes about $300 billion in additional funds over two years for military and nonmilitary programs, almost $90 billion in disaster relief in response to last year’s hurricanes and wildfires, and a higher statutory debt ceiling.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I often think this is why we will never get cuts:
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States

Nah, send the power of the feds back to the states.....the right wingers would love it.......but that means killing federal programs......the leftwingers will never do that.

 

[LaDexter]

We don't get cuts because many of the "politicians" we vote for are frauds who aren't who and what they claim to be...

For example

Bob Corker of TN

What does Bob care about?

Keeping our troops in Syria

Why?

Because Bob, who claims he is Christian, isn't. He is a JDAAC, and he only cares about Israel, and he isn't the slightest bit "conservative" about anything AMERICAN. He is an automatic vote to shut off any investigation into 911 and other Zionist plots against America. He votes for every new spending bill that gets to his desk. He steps up and gives the media that "Republican" they want to harsh on Trump.

As long as we keep electing folks like Bob Corker as "conservatives," we will not have any true conservatives or patriotic Americans in office, and we have very very very very few right now.

 

[Brain357]

I often think this is why we will never get cuts:
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States

Nah, send the power of the feds back to the states.....the right wingers would love it.......but that means killing federal programs......the leftwingers will never do that.

Would they though? From the studies I have seen left states do more to take care of themselves and right states get more federal.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

They just passed a huge increase in spending. Why not just not pass anything? We didn’t need more spending...

You have a link, so I can see the details? I agree, I would like less, but I'll need the details to see what happened.

Some details
Trump Signs Budget Deal to Raise Spending and Reopen Government

Rand Paul only one who seemed to know it was bad.

crap, its behind a pay wall, ill check into it....gonna be a bit though.
It looks like the one to avert a shutdown, so they probably gave the dems a little something to avoid it..so they could claim something for their constituents........I don't like it, but it's Washington.....but ill check into the details.

Some details from link:
With Mr. Trump’s signature, the government will reopen before many Americans were aware it had closed, with a deal that includes about $300 billion in additional funds over two years for military and nonmilitary programs, almost $90 billion in disaster relief in response to last year’s hurricanes and wildfires, and a higher statutory debt ceiling.

Well the disaster relief, I would like to know how that is being implemented. if it's to rebuild houses, good, if it's for porn...bad
300Billion for programs, I'd need to see what it was doing. Are the programs working?

the biggest issue in the federal government is the programs
We need metrics....we have none
Try monitoring them, but again the left hates that idea

 

[BluesLegend]

Repubs control the government and that is what they are doing. So what is wrong?

Only almost everything you claimed was true.

Well that is what they are doing, you seem to be blind...

Hang on, you've been cool, so I wont be a dick.
But
The republicans do have deficits, we're not happy, but they were huge under Obama, gonna take awhile to get them down.
Second in order to really put a dent in them, we need to reform entitlements......

Those things should be bipartisan, but are not.....and the dems may not have the votes to pass, but they have them to filibuster...so it' isn't gonna happen.

That's the reality of the situation, so the republicans are trying to cut a little here and there, and then hopefully we can do something together with the democrats...but you guys need to be willing to forgoe many programs.......it's not going to be easy.

Lets also clear this up, filthy lying establishment RINO's in the Republican party are not conservatives. Give fiscal conservatives control of the budget and this mess would be cleaned up. We'll start with the nearly $400 BILLION in government waste and fraud that was lost 2016 alone. That's 10% of the Federal budget.

Fiscal conservatives still exist? I haven’t seen any.

Doesn't mean they don't exist.