I would just like to say that I couldn't care less how much money Issa has, but he IS the biggest liar/scumbag...
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Because you believe way too much of their bs. But well done, you have potential. And good night.I know it, and you're not rich until you make over 250k, and you'll never be what I call a Pub, just another Pub dupe.We're not complainig about rich people, just greedy idiot rich Pubs who've wrecked the nonrich and the country, stupid. see sig.====================Who are the richest members of Congress - Yahoo Finance
That's right the supposed party of the people is full of rich people.
guess what ? 7 of the top 10 have a "D" behind their name, hard to believe considering the liberfools on USMB whine all the time about those RICH Republicans, oooooh the irony of it all.
You mean any rich person who didn't vote D....
fool
you think the Dems actually care about you? LOL
I'm labeled a pub dupe why? Because in the last two Presidential elections I felt a republican best served me? My congressman is a Dem and I've reelected him thrice.
Um.One reason you have a lot of rich people in Congress is because they can afford to be there. They can afford to run campaigns, they can afford to live the lifestyle, etc. It's easier to be elected to congress when you have your own personal wealth. Look, for example, at Mitt Romney and his campaign for the presidency: he funded a great deal of it with his own money, and he had a lot of wealthy friends contriubuing to his campaign. The same is true of those who run for congress. It's our system. If it didn't cost so much to run for office, we'd have far more economically ordinary people in Congress.
I don't know. I don't think I would want to vote for some guy who works as a Walmart Manager, who only earns $40,000 a year. Not because of his income... but because of his limited expertise and experience in the world.
There are some people who have been able to work their way into government without money.
But the truth is, we don't generally want to elect losers. I want people who have 'skin in the game'. Not some guy who makes $30K as an auto mechanic. What does that guy know about international relations?
The people who know enough about how national policy works, are often wealthy people.
Additionally, people tend to work their way up from lower levels of government. Often many people start in lower levels, and move from position to position, many times earning very little. But as we all know, there are many ways to make money in politics, and eventually you end up very wealthy before you end up in the Senate.
And lastly... Politics attracts a certain type of people. The most obvious and most prevalent... lawyers. Well clearly, if you are a lawyer, you are not going to be impoverished.
Most people at the lower income levels, have no interest whatsoever in being in politics. I would absolutely HATE being in politics. Not to mention, being honest and frank with people, is not an election winning plan.
Would *YOU* want to be in politics? Think about that. You really want every single word you ever speak, analyzed by every hack and partisan in the country? You really want every accidental word you speak, taken out of context, and splashed across international news channels?
Do you want responsibility for every action by every single Federal employee in the entire country?
Now I have blamed the IRS, and laughed at their "those emails magically were lost" explanation. But if you go through all my posts, I have never blamed Obama directly for the IRS scandal. Why? Because I truly believe it is entirely possible that the IRS was doing stuff Obama didn't know about. There are just under 3 MILLION Federal Employees.
Take a look at this page real quick.
List of United States federal agencies - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
This is a list of Federal Government Agencies.
When I hit print preview.... it says that this cite, is 34 pages long.
When some government agency does something crazy, and the politicians stand up and say "We didn't know about this"... many times... I believe them. You think you as a Congressman, or a Senator, are going to know what every single one of those thousand government agencies is doing? You are crazy. It would take you a couple of weeks, to go through the actions of every single agency, just once. But those Agencies are being changed and reorganized, and doing different things, every single month. And by the way.... there is no official government list of agencies. Even the government doesn't know exactly how many there are. This is just a list compiled by people on Wiki.
Back to the point.... Not many people are interested in this kind of thing. Just saying.... not many want this type of responsibility, or authority. The idea that if money wasn't required, then average people would do it, just isn't all that true. Look at the Founding Fathers of this country, back in 1776.
Of the 74 Delegates at the Constitutional convention... 35 were lawyers. Surprise. 13 were Merchants, 11 were Securities merchants (aka bankers), 7 were Land Speculators (land brokers and land lords), and 14 were massive plantation owners, or operators (Walmart people). (some overlap in here, that's why the numbers don't add up).
Out of all of them, only 2 were small farmers, 4 were doctors, 2 scientists, and 8 were career politicians which at that time was a very low wage.
So maybe 10 people were 'average joes'. The rest were wealthy. Nothing has changed. In fact, percentage wise, it's not all that different from today.
So, we should only elect people based on the size of their bank accounts? And those without large cash stashes are LOSERS...
The founders set up our legislature precisely for the mid level manager or some such. It's called a "citizen legislature". They set it up to dissuade incumbency and elitism. They wanted to avoid the permanence of the wealthy elite controlling the country for life.
How can you with a straight face sit at your computer and maintain the system is operating well?
How is that possible?
We should return to the citizen legislature. We should have term limits for Congress.
And BTW, members of Congress are paid over $170k per year. Committee assignments are paid more. Committee Chairs as well as members in leadership positions even more. The Senate Majority Leader and the Speaker of the House make nearly $200k.
Plus they get all kinds of other federal perks. Pensions and benefits are quite cushy.
Once one is elected to Congress, they can rapidly amass quite a little nest egg.
So....every politician who supports helping the poor should give all their money to the poor first
Every republican who supported invading Iraq should have enlisted first
And you could have more earnings if you weren't such a coward.
Take what they give you and then attempt to keep from letting your earnings leave you. Nice thought.
The rich have a bit of a different philosophy
Pay smucks like you a pittance and keep the rest for themselves
Then they give you that propaganda of "wealth redistribution" and you swallow it hook line an sinker.
Then you so easily put the blame on the worker.
Wonderful agenda the corporations and "some" of the rich have going for themselves.
While the real wealth redistribution starts at the paycheck.
They get their great abundance and want yours at a minimum. Hell stay with that ideology.
DUH!!!
3 of 5 are Democrats. I take it that 2 of 5 are Republicans?
They're all Fat Cats who care not a whit about us.
First, it's always amazing to me, that based on no information except net worth, you magically know accurately who does, or does not care "about us".
As if, magically, if one of them was poor.... they would automatically 'care about us'..... because they were poor...
Because I know in my life, the people who cared the most about me.... were poor people.... right? Hasn't that been your experience too?
Second, I truly wish those people would STOP caring about me so much. Maybe if they didn't care about me, they'd stop stealing 1/3rd of my pay check, and claiming they were screwing me over for "my benefit" because "we care".
I can't tell you how many times, self-righteous, patronizing, down talking leftards, have asked me why "you are voting against your own best interest?", and I'm looking at my pay stub, thinking... that's my best interest? To be screwed over for your failed policies, is in my best interest....... right.
So yeah, if we can just vote in people who are only interested in advancing themselves, instead of screwing me over while claiming it's because they care about me.... I'd gladly take that over the current situation. That extra $6 Trillion in debt Obama has saddled me with, supposedly for 'my best interest', that I'm going to be screwed over in the future to pay back.... It would have been much better if Obama didn't care a whit about me, and didn't screw me over like that.
Dude, on another thread you said you made 12k two years ago. I am sure you are up to 14k now. Which means you get the EIC. Quit with the bullshit about how YOUR paycheck is being so severely impacted by 6 billion in debt. You get back every dollar withheld. Plus some. For being poor.
Once again... you don't know jack about the topic. I have my 2013 IRS return right here in front of me.
My total gross income from 2013, was $18.7K.
For that income, I had to pay $2,800 in taxes. About 15% of my income went to taxes... thanks to people like you.
Yikes, I spent more on fuel last year than you earned. I almost paid as much in income tax as you earned.
No wonder you're angry.
The Right just can't or won't see that.Why do we keep getting these threads from Conservatives?
Yes.....Democrats can be rich
They do not hate wealth
They just think the wealthy should pay more in taxes. They vote to raise their own taxes
Meanwhile, rich republicans vote to slash the benefits of the poor
That is the difference
Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Cause the democrats only pretend to advocate for the poor, what they are really doing is dividing the country by providing hand-outs and claiming the republicans are advocates for the rich. Yeah cause the republicans are advocates for rich democrats It's retarded, but no surprise you don't see the irony.Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Again, what makes Conservatives think that because Democrats advocate for the poor that they should be poor themselves?
You dumb ass how many poor people do you work for. The friends I have that became wealthy earned it and worked very hard for it. Class envy is strong in you.Let me see,.......You IDIOT , if you could actually comprehend something that is written you might not look like such a fool. Below poverty level was included so those that are there are the ones.
Nice try to kiss some more ass of the ultra rich.
Its asses like you that keep the struggle down but we will continue the fight to show what a bunch of robber barons they are , you can help them all you want.
Low life.
Your an idiot, corporations paying below minimum wage?. Name one, if not shut up.It is not very difficult to understand or figure out. Unless of course the ultra rich and corporations are like a god to you.
you know the ones that pay less than minimum wage or pay at or below the poverty level.
Then when it comes their turn to dip their wick into the money pot its how much for me!!! And what else do you have to offer me because "I AM ME"
My posts have never said they were evil they were gluttons and they exploit the country with their unscrupulous demands. All the rich? No. All the corporations? No.
But many.
Ok. What corporations, or rich wealthy people, would you consider having "unscrupulous demands, and exploiting the country"?
Its not my argument that anyone who advocates for programs for the poor should give all their money awaySimpleton straw man argument.So....every politician who supports helping the poor should give all their money to the poor firstIt's called leading by example.What a childlike retortIf they want to pay more in taxes they are free to cut a check to the U.S. Treasury for any amount they want.Why do we keep getting these threads from Conservatives?
Yes.....Democrats can be rich
They do not hate wealth
They just think the wealthy should pay more in taxes. They vote to raise their own taxes
Meanwhile, rich republicans vote to slash the benefits of the poor
That is the difference
But they won't
They are elected congressmen and their role is to set the tax rate. Wealthy Democrats vote to raise their own tax rate, wealthy republicans look to slash programs for the poor
But then again out elected leaders don't lead anymore do they?
Every republican who supported invading Iraq should have enlisted first
What a simpleton you are
When will you ever learn
The Right just can't or won't see that.Why do we keep getting these threads from Conservatives?
Yes.....Democrats can be rich
They do not hate wealth
They just think the wealthy should pay more in taxes. They vote to raise their own taxes
Meanwhile, rich republicans vote to slash the benefits of the poor
That is the difference
Cause the democrats only pretend to advocate for the poor, what they are really doing is dividing the country by providing hand-outs and claiming the republicans are advocates for the rich. Yeah cause the republicans are advocates for rich democrats It's retarded, but no surprise you don't see the irony.Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Again, what makes Conservatives think that because Democrats advocate for the poor that they should be poor themselves?
The Right just can't or won't see that.Why do we keep getting these threads from Conservatives?
Yes.....Democrats can be rich
They do not hate wealth
They just think the wealthy should pay more in taxes. They vote to raise their own taxes
Meanwhile, rich republicans vote to slash the benefits of the poor
That is the difference
well you believe that then you should be a subject of the party
Why can't they pass a bill that is just FOR raising their taxes in congress? I mean they can pick out the wealthy in the country for wanting to raise taxes on?
what's wrong with doing it to them specifically? They are so for raising taxes on themselves
scary what some of you swallow all for a party
Why are the democrats attacking the middle class with high income tax rates and high health care costs again? Why are the democrats doing their best to push the middle class into poverty again? Why are the democrats screwing the poor through hand-out programs instead of hand-up programs preferred by the republicans? Why are the democrats pushing for bringing in tens of millions of poor immigrants? Why are the democrats supporting more wars in the ME? Why are the democrats supporting H1B visas? Why are the democrats sending US tax dollars to china? Why are the democrats spying on us all?Cause the democrats only pretend to advocate for the poor, what they are really doing is dividing the country by providing hand-outs and claiming the republicans are advocates for the rich. Yeah cause the republicans are advocates for rich democrats It's retarded, but no surprise you don't see the irony.Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Again, what makes Conservatives think that because Democrats advocate for the poor that they should be poor themselves?
The dems do advocate for the poor and their policies reflect it
Meanwhile, Republicans protect the ultra rich and blame all of our economic issues on those who have the least
Why are the democrats attacking the middle class again?Cause the democrats only pretend to advocate for the poor, what they are really doing is dividing the country by providing hand-outs and claiming the republicans are advocates for the rich. Yeah cause the republicans are advocates for rich democrats It's retarded, but no surprise you don't see the irony.Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Again, what makes Conservatives think that because Democrats advocate for the poor that they should be poor themselves?
The dems do advocate for the poor and their policies reflect it
Meanwhile, Republicans protect the ultra rich and blame all of our economic issues on those who have the least
All right now you show me where I said that people should "give all their money away"Its not my argument that anyone who advocates for programs for the poor should give all their money awaySimpleton straw man argument.So....every politician who supports helping the poor should give all their money to the poor firstIt's called leading by example.What a childlike retortIf they want to pay more in taxes they are free to cut a check to the U.S. Treasury for any amount they want.Why do we keep getting these threads from Conservatives?
Yes.....Democrats can be rich
They do not hate wealth
They just think the wealthy should pay more in taxes. They vote to raise their own taxes
Meanwhile, rich republicans vote to slash the benefits of the poor
That is the difference
But they won't
They are elected congressmen and their role is to set the tax rate. Wealthy Democrats vote to raise their own tax rate, wealthy republicans look to slash programs for the poor
But then again out elected leaders don't lead anymore do they?
Every republican who supported invading Iraq should have enlisted first
What a simpleton you are
When will you ever learn
I agree it is a strawman......and not a very good one at that
Stating the truth is not an attack.Why are the democrats attacking the middle class again?Cause the democrats only pretend to advocate for the poor, what they are really doing is dividing the country by providing hand-outs and claiming the republicans are advocates for the rich. Yeah cause the republicans are advocates for rich democrats It's retarded, but no surprise you don't see the irony.Hillary is the poorest of the democrat poor. Why she had to down grade on her vacation home in the Hamptons this year.
No matter what you say, the brain dead American voter will always think that the DNC is for the poor and the GOP is for the rich, despite corporate America propping up people like Obama. Brain death occurred long ago, there is little hope.
Now Obama and company have declared war on small business in America with their various entitlements and unfair taxation that essentially has nixed competition for small business with corporate America. The problem is, small business hires up to 2/3 of the workforce and always has, but now that it is near impossible for a small business to flourish do to government/corporate policy, the jobs have gone.
Also, if you notice democrats are fixated on taxing income. Well guess what, the richest of the rich don't care much about income, only wealth. The rich don't need any income, so punishing income only decreases competition for the very rich. This, in turn, will cause the very rich to become much more idle and complacent as innovation and competition will stagnate much like in the former USSR.
Enjoy America! I'm sure Hillary will fix everything.
Mwhahahaha!!
Again, what makes Conservatives think that because Democrats advocate for the poor that they should be poor themselves?
The dems do advocate for the poor and their policies reflect it
Meanwhile, Republicans protect the ultra rich and blame all of our economic issues on those who have the least
Actually, it is the dems standing up for the middle class. Advocating worker rights, higher wages, healthcare
It is the Repubicans who attack the hated 47%