Zelenski Says Trump Can't Make Him Negotiate With Russia....Practically Admitting He's Not Trying To End It

[westwall]

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Zelenskyy in Ukraine Radio interview: "The US cannot force us to sit and listen at the negotiating table. We are an independent country,”

This is an admission that the has no intention of ending the war for his own reasons, be it financial or otherwise.

Good. No cash for that little shit.

See how long they last.

 

[beagle9]

Trump will end it.

Hopefully so. Sticky situation.

 

[beagle9]

Not that simple.
There are three basic goals of Russia in Ukraine:
1. Denazification, which includes equal rights for ethnic Russians, Russian-speaking people, Orthodox Christians, recognition of their choice in referendums (in past and in future), free elections, ban of Neo-Nazi organisations and so on...
2. Demilitarization - which includes decrease of Ukrainian forces to 50K, and no foreign bases, mercenaries and advisors.
3. Neutral status.

Who are these alledged nazi's in Ukraine ? Are they easily identified through their appearance or is it a character thing, otherwise it's not visual until one acts out in that type of character ?

 

[Zavulon]

Your Russian speaking language that is shown in your writing tells us what your positions are in this forum.

Yes, of course. I'm a patriot of Russia.

 

[beagle9]

Yes, of course. I'm a patriot of Russia.

How do you learn about a forum such as this ?

 

[Zavulon]

Who are these alledged nazi's in Ukraine ? Are they easily identified through their appearance or is it a character thing, otherwise it's not visual until one acts out in that type of character ?

Roughly we (Russians) can determine 3 basic types of Ukrainian nazies:
1. Classic Ukronazies (Banderovci) - mostly simply xenophobic, "Ukrainian" speaking, Austrian-invented ideology. Mostly they (as most of stupid xenophobes) are poorly eduacted villagers and they are not represented at this forum. But they may become a problem after Russian Army crossed the Zbruch river. "Ideological capital" - Lvov (Lviv).
2. State-loyal Nazies. They are not really xenophobic, but they are loyal to the state, not to the people, and they do support idea that Russian people should be divided. Often they do support idea that Russia should be united under rule or Kiev, not Moscow. Most of them are Russian-speaking (some of them are English-speaking either). Good representavie of them is ESay . Most of them will change their position because of money or proved fall of Ukrainian idea. "Ideological capital" - Dnepropetrovsk (Dniepr).
3. Simple "Westen Nazies". More or less common with Neo-Nazies in western understanding of the term. "White power" and other BS... Azov brigage, Right Sector, they mostly see multicultural Russian Federation (as well as multiethnic EU and USA) as a threat to "white race". Most of them Russian-speaking. Ideological capital - Kharkov (Kharkiv). Litwin is not Russian-speaker, but he retranslate their propaganda more or less correctly (as far as I can judge).

 

[Zavulon]

How do you learn about a forum such as this ?

I'm a big fan of American culture, and in the first place I was searching a site for discussion about books and movies. But political issues is not the thing that easily be avoided.

 

[Mushroom]

This is an admission that the has no intention of ending the war for his own reasons, be it financial or otherwise.

Until Russia withdraws from their country, there is nothing to negotiate.

 

[ESay]

Until Russia withdraws from their country, there is nothing to negotiate.

And who should decide that? You?

 

[fncceo]

Just stop wasting everyone's time and admit only Ukraine surrender would make you happy.

Ukraine can surrender, fight to the last man, or conquer Russia … couldn’t give a fetid dingo’s kidney.

But, the fire hose of taxpayer money that funds it needs to stop.

 

[Zavulon]

Until Russia withdraws from their country, there is nothing to negotiate.

Russia (in the wide meaning of the term) can't withdraw from Ukraine, because Ukraine (Borderland) is a part of Russia.

 

[beagle9]

Roughly we (Russians) can determine 3 basic types of Ukrainian nazies:
1. Classic Ukronazies (Banderovci) - mostly simply xenophobic, "Ukrainian" speaking, Austrian-invented ideology. Mostly they (as most of stupid xenophobes) are poorly eduacted villagers and they are not represented at this forum. But they may become a problem after Russian Army crossed the Zbruch river. "Ideological capital" - Lvov (Lviv).
2. State-loyal Nazies. They are not really xenophobic, but they are loyal to the state, not to the people, and they do support idea that Russian people should be divided. Often they do support idea that Russia should be united under rule or Kiev, not Moscow. Most of them are Russian-speaking (some of them are English-speaking either). Good representavie of them is ESay . Most of them will change their position because of money or proved fall of Ukrainian idea. "Ideological capital" - Dnepropetrovsk (Dniepr).
3. Simple "Westen Nazies". More or less common with Neo-Nazies in western understanding of the term. "White power" and other BS... Azov brigage, Right Sector, they mostly see multicultural Russian Federation (as well as multiethnic EU and USA) as a threat to "white race". Most of them Russian-speaking. Ideological capital - Kharkov (Kharkiv). Litwin is not Russian-speaker, but he retranslate their propaganda more or less correctly (as far as I can judge).

I'm not the one to be asking such questions I guess, because it was hard for me to translate or understand what you laid out there, so maybe others here can continue the conversation with you on such thing's.

 

[beagle9]

Ukraine can surrender, fight to the last man, or conquer Russia … couldn’t give a fetid dingo’s kidney.

But, the fire hose of taxpayer money that funds it needs to stop.

Russia is to big and vast for Ukraine to sustain a winning stance against it right ? Isn't that what most experts analogies are on it ? So the negotiating must take place before Russia tires of being slaughtered in the open fields of Ukraines flat lands, and resorts to it's more powerful weapons to stop the war in it's tracks. Right ?

 

[sparky]

Russia (in the wide meaning of the term) can't withdraw from Ukraine, because Ukraine (Borderland) is a part of Russia.

This is the part most of us do not 'get' Zav

~S~

 

[sparky]

The west seems to view Mr Z as some sort of George Washington caricature

The minute he is viewed as a dictator , he'll be on a shirt like Che Guevara.....


~S~

 

[beagle9]

This is the part most of us do not 'get' Zav

~S~

I guess he means by "borderland", that Russia has too secure it's border through the ridding Ukraine of western(?) influence and meddling in Ukraine, otherwise seeing that it is a border with Russias border right ? I keyed on the "borderland" word he used.

 

[sparky]

I guess he means by "borderland", that Russia has too secure it's border through the ridding Ukraine of western(?) influence and meddling in Ukraine, otherwise seeing that it is a border with Russias border right ? I keyed on the "borderland" word he used.

Ukraine was part of the original soviet block Beagle

They broke away 30 yrs ago

Ergo the 'civil war' references


~S~

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Not that simple.
There are three basic goals of Russia in Ukraine:
1. Denazification, which includes equal rights for ethnic Russians, Russian-speaking people, Orthodox Christians, recognition of their choice in referendums (in past and in future), free elections, ban of Neo-Nazi organisations and so on...
2. Demilitarization - which includes decrease of Ukrainian forces to 50K, and no foreign bases, mercenaries and advisors.
3. Neutral status.

Sounds good.

 

[beagle9]

Ukraine was part of the original soviet block Beagle

They broke away 30 yrs ago

Ergo the 'civil war' references


~S~

True, so what's up with the reasoning behind the war ? What do you think is the driver of it all ?

 

[sparky]

True, so what's up with the reasoning behind the war ?

something similar to the Mason Dixon line beagle

What do you think is the driver of it all ?

a fair Q...

beyond that which are economics , i see no western 'dog in the fight'

i don't see much of a difference in either sides politics , and wonder if the Ukrainians people themselves care who has the reins of power.....

~S~