You Can't Rape the Willing!

[Moonglow]

President Donald Trump on Monday said he’d consider a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker who conspired with the president’s late friend, pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, to traffic and abuse minor girls in multiple states.

Trump talks Diddy and Ghislaine Maxwell pardons as he bafflingly tells reporter, ‘I haven’t heard the name in so long’

Maxwell’s last-ditch appeal of her sex trafficking conviction was rejected by the Supreme Court on Monday

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“You know, I haven't heard the name in so long. I can say this, that I'd have to take a look at it. I would have to take a look,” Trump said.

He then said he would have to “speak to the DOJ” and stressed that he did not know “anything” about the matter despite the case dominating headlines for months over a bipartisan effort to force release of case files from the Justice Department’s attempt to prosecute Epstein.


Trump gotta case of the dumbass he plays so well.

 

[JoeB131]

He FLED THE COUNTRY.

Yes, after it was clear he wouldn't be treated fairly by the system.

Again, no country has extradicted him. Doesn't seem like they take these claims very seriously, either.

Of course the girl holds no ill will. Before she was drugged she kept saying no. That didn't work. She was unconscious the entire time. She has no memory of what happened. This child was 13 years old.

Actually, none of that was part of her testimony. She wasn't unconscious, and she did agree. He was charged with having sex with a girl below the age of consent.

Woman raped by Roman Polanski asks for 'mercy' to end case

A Los Angeles court rejects a plea by a woman raped by the director to dismiss the 40-year-old case.

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A court in Los Angeles has refused a plea by a sex-abuse victim of the film director Roman Polanski to have the 40 year-old rape case dismissed.
Samantha Geimer, who is now 54, had told the Los Angeles Superior Court she had forgiven him and wanted to move on.
But the judge ruled that her testimony was evidence of the damage done to her, and that Polanski had to face justice.
The director fled to France after being accused of drugging and raping Ms Geimer - then 13 years old - in 1977.
He had admitted statutory rape and served 42 days in prison. He left over concern that his plea bargain deal would be scrapped.
In June, Ms Geimer told the court that she felt the case should be dropped: "I would implore you to do this for me, out of mercy for myself," she said.
But in his ruling on Friday, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Scott Gordon said the case could not be rejected "merely because it would be in the victim's best interest".

Based on your statements, Jeffrey Epstein should never have been bothered by the pesky rape claims.

Polanski was hardly the same as Epstein. Or Trump, for that matter.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Epstein never drugged and raped a 13 year old who begged him to stop until she lost consciousness.

A 13 year old girl, vaginally and anally raped. You keep justifying this. Polanski never answered for him crimes. It's time he did.

Gads, it's disgusting, you're disgusting. Do you justify his crimes because of some personal longing? He's not a bad guy. Give him a break. Plenty of guys rape and sodomize 13 year old girls, or want to.

 

[JoeB131]

Epstein never drugged and raped a 13 year old who begged him to stop until she lost consciousness.

He did worse than that, but hey, we should probably just release the files and find out what he (and Trump) did.

A 13 year old girl, vaginally and anally raped. You keep justifying this. Polanski never answered for him crimes. It's time he did.

Sure he did. He served 42 days in prison. Given that 97% of rapists never see jail time, he did more than most.

Gads, it's disgusting, you're disgusting. Do you justify his crimes because of some personal longing? He's not a bad guy. Give him a break. Plenty of guys rape and sodomize 13 year old girls, or want to.

Where did I justify his crime? He committed it, admitted it, agreed to a sentence, served that sentence, and when the system didn't act in good faith, he walked away.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He did worse than that, but hey, we should probably just release the files and find out what he (and Trump) did.



Sure he did. He served 42 days in prison. Given that 97% of rapists never see jail time, he did more than most.



Where did I justify his crime? He committed it, admitted it, agreed to a sentence, served that sentence, and when the system didn't act in good faith, he walked away.

Stop justifying this child rapist. The judge did not agree to the plea deal. That's his justice. Stop justifying this monster. He can come back and start serving his sentence. You have come out in approval of the drugging and vaginal and anal rape of a 13 year old girl. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

Stop justifying this child rapist. The judge did not agree to the plea deal. That's his justice. Stop justifying this monster. He can come back and start serving his sentence. You have come out in approval of the drugging and vaginal and anal rape of a 13 year old girl. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The judge abused his authority.

That worries me a lot more than if a promiscuous teenager had sex with a famous director 50 years ago. It should concern you as well. If our judges can't be fair and neutral arbiters of the law, we should all worry.

In this case, the prosecutors and defendant agreed to a resolution that all sides, including the victim, considered fair. That should have been the end of the matter.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The judge abused his authority.

That worries me a lot more than if a promiscuous teenager had sex with a famous director 50 years ago. It should concern you as well. If our judges can't be fair and neutral arbiters of the law, we should all worry.

In this case, the prosecutors and defendant agreed to a resolution that all sides, including the victim, considered fair. That should have been the end of the matter.

You're jealous. He got to rape and sodomize an unconscious 13 year old girl.

If the judge abused his authority, appeal.

We should worry. We should worry A LOT. Not only are there child rapists and sodomizers loose, but those like you that approve of them.

 

[JoeB131]

You're jealous. He got to rape and sodomize an unconscious 13 year old girl.

If the judge abused his authority, appeal.

We should worry. We should worry A LOT. Not only are there child rapists and sodomizers loose, but those like you that approve of them.

Okay, so you really can't discuss the issue in terms of law and process.

Let me put it in a term you can understand. You talked about your case where these two lesbians sued you for refusing to paint a picture of them. It was a truly silly case, not even sure why they brought it, as you weren't doing that as a business.

But let's say for sake of argument that your judge was a secret Lesbian who had it out for you? Would that be justice?

This judge had his own agenda. Oh, and he was married to a woman who was 30 years his junior.

Judge reneged on promise in Polanski sexual abuse case: former prosecutor testimony

A retired Los Angeles prosecutor has said a judge privately told lawyers he would renege on a promise and imprison Roman Polanski for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

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Here was the thing, the main reasons why the Prosecutors copped a plea.

1) The girl refused to testify (and her mother was shaking down Polanski for money)
2) Polanski was a very sympathetic defendant (Holocaust Survivor, Famous Director, Wife, and Child killed by the Manson family).
3) The shrinks who examined him over his 42 days in prison determined he wasn't a repeat threat.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Okay, so you really can't discuss the issue in terms of law and process.

Let me put it in a term you can understand. You talked about your case where these two lesbians sued you for refusing to paint a picture of them. It was a truly silly case, not mwp even sure why they brought it, as you weren't doing that as a business.

But let's say for sake of argument that your judge was a secret Lesbian who had it out for you? Would that be justice?

This is what I always told my clients. Justice
Is what you get. Whatever it is. Had I lost, I would have appealed it. I would have asked for a stay until the appeal was heard. Your admired rapist didn't bother. He depended on men like yourself who would identify with the desire for child rape and find ways of excusing it.

 

[JoeB131]

This is what I always told my clients. Justice
Is what you get. Whatever it is. Had I lost, I would have appealed it. I would have asked for a stay until the appeal was heard. Your admired rapist didn't bother. He depended on men like yourself who would identify with the desire for child rape and find ways of excusing it.

you skip over the point.

I would have been unfair if a Lesbian Judge had ruled against you, or one who was just playing politics.

It would have been unfair for a judge who had previously promised to abide by the Psychiatrist's report to suddenly change his mind because the case was blowing up in the press.

Justice has to be fair and impartial, and more importantly, it should keep its word.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

you skip over the point.

I would have been unfair if a Lesbian Judge had ruled against you, or one who was just playing politics.

It would have been unfair for a judge who had previously promised to abide by the Psychiatrist's report to suddenly change his mind because the case was blowing up in the press.

Justice has to be fair and impartial, and more importantly, it should keep its word.

You miss the point completely. Defendants do not get to disobey a judge's orders because defendant thinks they are unfair. Every defendant would skip if they could. Very few losing parties feel that the judge was fair. None actually. The lesbians who sued me thought the judge was very unfair. He never even heard a word they had to say.

The facts were indisputable. Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl both vaginally and anally. You can justify this if you want. It only tells us all what kind of person you are.

 

[JoeB131]

You miss the point completely. Defendants do not get to disobey a judge's orders because defendant thinks they are unfair. Every defendant would skip if they could.

And a lot of them do, and the jurisdiction usually says, "Not our problem, anymore."

None actually. The lesbians who sued me thought the judge was very unfair. He never even heard a word they had to say.

Well, their case was particularly frivolous. (Going solely off of what you've said about it.)

Not so much here.

You had the prosecutor, the victim, and the state-appointed psychologist all agreeing that prison time wasn't warranted in this case.

The facts were indisputable. Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl both vaginally and anally.

Actually, the facts were very disputable, especially given that the girl refused to testify after she and her mother settled with Polanski civilly.

 

[BackAgain]

"You can't rape the willing" seems to be a recurring theme in some of the comments that I've been reading lately. Especially, when someone is talking about the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell.

"They were prostitutes," "they were well paid," etc.

Not to come off like a Law and Order SVU episode, but can't even a prostitute be raped?

My family is (was) very large. My father was the oldest of twelve. I was raised with my aunts and uncles after losing my mom at a very young age.

So, we had quite a span of ages of aunts and uncles about the house on any given day. Some of us were in elementary, some in middle and some in high school (and starting to date) - all under one roof.

I think I was around 10 years old, and one of my older aunts was about to go out to a game, date, or something. My Grandfather didn't like what my aunt was wearing, and I remember him being very stern and telling her how he felt about it. I was too young to remember everything he said but I do remember him saying, "you can't rape the willing" and then explaining it.

The gist of it was, if you go out dressed like that, have some guy attack you. Don't come home crying that they took advantage of you.

He also used to say, "Why should they buy the cow, if they can get the milk for free?"

It took me a long time and having a daughter of my own to know for sure where my grandfather's heart was in what he was saying. However, I think he would also agree with me, that even a hardened professional prostitute can be a victim.

It may be true that "you can't rape the willing" but the key word in that is "willing." It's not in the choice of work or the choice in how one decides to dress.

It would be great to see if anyone agrees with me on this.

If you have sex with an otherwise perfectly willing minor, it is rape.

Or a perfectly willing adult who happens to have been drugged or is drunk. Same thing. Rape.

 

[Chuz Life]

If you have sex with an otherwise perfectly willing minor, it is rape.

Or a perfectly willing adult who happens to have been drugged or is drunk. Same thing. Rape.

I wonder if anyone here would dare to disagree with that!

 

[Concerned American]

I was anticipating the turn around on that.

The saying always seemed off to me.

I know what my grandfather meant by it but, it's too easy to take it the wrong way or to misuse it.

I agree with everything you said, however, I'm not willing to agree to a blanket statement as there are cases of women who have submitted willingly only to use this as vindictive retribution for slights, insults or many other reasons. The statements your grandfather made are cliche' and in the first---as well as "you can run faster with your dress up than he can with his pants down." and they were made to make a point. The second was an admonition to maintain your self respect. I remember getting a similar admonition from my mother before going on dates, hers was "Flies spread disease, keep yours zipped." Rape is a serious charge that has become way too easy to be abused and I'm not trying to justify it.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Can you really believe this guy justifying the rape of a 13 year old child?

 

[JoeB131]

Can you really believe this guy justifying the rape of a 13 year old child?

No, because nobody did that.

But that you didn't understand the legal arguments is kind of on you.

 

[Chuz Life]

I agree with everything you said, however, I'm not willing to agree to a blanket statement as there are cases of women who have submitted willingly only to use this as vindictive retribution for slights, insults or many other reasons. The statements your grandfather made are cliche' and in the first---as well as "you can run faster with your dress up than he can with his pants down." and they were made to make a point. The second was an admonition to maintain your self respect. I remember getting a similar admonition from my mother before going on dates, hers was "Flies spread disease, keep yours zipped." Rape is a serious charge that has become way too easy to be abused and I'm not trying to justify it.

Idioms are awesome for making a point in a memorable way.

 

[JoeB131]

I wonder if anyone here would dare to disagree with that!

In principle, no.

In practice. Most girls lose their virginity long before the age of consent.

And lots of women have sex when they are impaired by alcohol or drugs.

Here's the real problem... the poor kid is going to go to jail for that, but the rich kid gets a good lawyer and a suspended sentence.

Like the guy who had sex with the girl passed out behind the bar. But the judge thought he was such a nice young man and only gave him six months.

 

[Chuz Life]

Can you really believe this guy justifying the rape of a 13 year old child?

Who is?