You Can't Rape the Willing!

[EvilCat Breath]

You are the one who started a thread about women asking to be raped, dude.

Also, aren't you the one who whines about "rights"? This judge violated Polanski's Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights. But it's okay because he's a bad man.



No, that's not why a judge exists. A judge's purpose is to not care who wins, only to ensure the process is fair. We have an adversarial justice system for a reason, with rules governing the conduct of the state.



Um, I support the rule of law, but again, I think your learning disability precluded understanding that.

As for Polanski, I don't even like most of his movies. I thought Chinatown was okay, but Rosemary's Baby was just annoying.




My... understanding of the rule of law? You do get rule of law, don't you?

Yours is wrong. It's your devotion to a man who is and was clearly the worst kind of child predator is where you are making your own label. Your words make you suspect. You should stop before you get worse.

 

[JoeB131]

Yours is wrong. It's your devotion to a man who is and was clearly the worst kind of child predator is where you are making your own label. Your words make you suspect. You should stop before you get worse.

I'm devoted to the rule of law.

I'm sorry you don't get that.

It's better for 100 guilty men to go free than one innocent man to go to jail.

That you are unable to understand why I don't want to live under fascism is your issue. Because that is really what you are advocating.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I'm devoted to the rule of law.

I'm sorry you don't get that.

It's better for 100 guilty men to go free than one innocent man to go to jail.

That you are unable to understand why I don't want to live under fascism is your issue. Because that is really what you are advocating.

You clearly have more than a passing interest in a man that drugged and vaginally and anally raped a 13 year old girl. To the point of saying she was promiscuous and wanted it. Completely passing statutory rape laws. Do you normally find that children are asking to be anally raped?

 

[JoeB131]

You clearly have more than a passing interest in a man that drugged and vaginally and anally raped a 13 year old girl. To the point of saying she was promiscuous and wanted it. Completely passing statutory rape laws. Do you normally find that children are asking to be anally raped?

If she had been over the age of consent, there would have been no case at all. It would have been considered consensual. She took the drugs knowing what they were.

This has nothing to do with the extreme misconduct of the state in this case, which is far more egregious.

The judge and prosecutors agreed to a plea, then the judge tried to renege on the plea because he didn't like the press he was getting.

We can't control what Polanski does, but we should be very concerned about what the state does. The state agreed to a plea because they knew they had a shit case. - Non-cooperating witness, sympathetic defendant, etc.

"A deal is a deal" - 16th Rule of Acquisition.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If she had been over the age of consent, there would have been no case at all. It would have been considered consensual. She took the drugs knowing what they were.

This has nothing to do with the extreme misconduct of the state in this case, which is far more egregious.

The judge and prosecutors agreed to a plea, then the judge tried to renege on the plea because he didn't like the press he was getting.

We can't control what Polanski does, but we should be very concerned about what the state does. The state agreed to a plea because they knew they had a shit case. - Non-cooperating witness, sympathetic defendant, etc.

"A deal is a deal" - 16th Rule of Acquisition.

He put the drugs in champagne. If she had been of the age of consent. It still would gave been rape because he drugged her. Since rhis was a 13 year old child there were additional charges of giving her both alcohol and drugs.

You are completely wrong.

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The judge was correct. Come back and start serving the sentence.

 

[JoeB131]

He put the drugs in champagne. If she had been of the age of consent. It still would gave been rape because he drugged her. Since rhis was a 13 year old child there were additional charges of giving her both alcohol and drugs.

Uh, you don't even have the story right. He offered her the pill, and told her what it was.

Yes, it's technically "rape" because we have age of consent laws. But in a bizarre twist, we have laws that state if both of them are 13, neither one is guilty of rape, or if one of them is 19 and the other 16, they are close enough in age to where it isn't rape.

Most of these cases are resolved without jail time, usually, they are just put on the offender registry (which of course makes these registries kind of useless, because they don't tell you who the actual rapists are.)

The judge was correct. Come back and start serving the sentence.

He served the sentence that the judge agreed to. The judge tried to do backsies.

Another part of the story you are probably unfamiliar with because of your ignorance and learning disability. Before Polanski reported to prison, he asked this judge for permission to go to Europe and finish filming a movie. The judge, who apparently changed his mind about what a horrible threat Polanski was, was happy to let him fly to Europe, where he put the film in the can and then flew back to CA to serve that 90 day sentence.

It was only after the media started roasting this judge in the press did he rethink is position.

 

[MayorQuimby]

If she had been over the age of consent, there would have been no case at all. It would have been considered consensual. She took the drugs knowing what they were.

You can't trust a young person to really know what they are doing, or, in this case, what they're taking.

 

[JoeB131]

You can't trust a young person to really know what they are doing, or, in this case, what they're taking.

I think it would depend on the young person.

This young person had already had sex and already had experience with drugs. She was hardly the "innocent virgin",and she has said as much publicly (right after she tells the press to get the **** off her lawn every time Polanski is back in the news for something.)

 

[MayorQuimby]

I think it would depend on the young person.

This young person had already had sex and already had experience with drugs. She was hardly the "innocent virgin",and she has said as much publicly (right after she tells the press to get the **** off her lawn every time Polanski is back in the news for something.)

You cannot be on a case-by-case basis when it comes to whether to enforce a law. These statutory rape laws should apply uniformly. Is the victim underage? If yes, any attempts to have sex with her are illegal.

 

[JoeB131]

You cannot be on a case-by-case basis when it comes to whether to enforce a law. These statutory rape laws should apply uniformly. Is the victim underage? If yes, any attempts to have sex with her are illegal.

Actually, we do exactly that when enforcing the law. Sometimes it's fine when you consider the circumstances. However, the reality of justice in this country is that race and wealth are more likely to influence outcomes.

The reality is, most cases of "statutory rape" are resolved without criminal charges.

Should you be charged with "Statutory rape" if you met a woman at a bar who looked older than she was, and used a fake ID to get in?

In this case.

The witness was uncooperative.

The defendant admitted what he did and served a sentence, after which court-appointed psychiatrists assessed that he wasn't a threat to reoffend. He also paid her $500,000 in 1990's money.

The judge and the prosecutors considered him so little of a threat that they allowed him to travel to Europe to finish a movie while awaiting the resolution of his case.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Actually, we do exactly that when enforcing the law. Sometimes it's fine when you consider the circumstances. However, the reality of justice in this country is that race and wealth are more likely to influence outcomes.

The reality is, most cases of "statutory rape" are resolved without criminal charges.

Should you be charged with "Statutory rape" if you met a woman at a bar who looked older than she was, and used a fake ID to get in?

No, but not because statutory rape laws are no good, but because you were deceived. It is not your fault that you were deceived into thinking the woman was of legal age.

 

[JoeB131]

No, but not because statutory rape laws are no good, but because you were deceived. It is not your fault that you were deceived into thinking the woman was of legal age.

The problem is the law would make no such distinction.

You'd still be on the hook for that sex.

 

[MayorQuimby]

The problem is the law would make no such distinction.

You'd still be on the hook for that sex.

It should make a distinction though, because you did not have the intention of having sex with a minor. It was not your fault that your partner lied about her age to trick you into having sex wit her.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Uh, you don't even have the story right. He offered her the pill, and told her what it was.

Yes, it's technically "rape" because we have age of consent laws. But in a bizarre twist, we have laws that state if both of them are 13, neither one is guilty of rape, or if one of them is 19 and the other 16, they are close enough in age to where it isn't rape.

Most of these cases are resolved without jail time, usually, they are just put on the offender registry (which of course makes these registries kind of useless, because they don't tell you who the actual rapists are.)



He served the sentence that the judge agreed to. The judge tried to do backsies.

Another part of the story you are probably unfamiliar with because of your ignorance and learning disability. Before Polanski reported to prison, he asked this judge for permission to go to Europe and finish filming a movie. The judge, who apparently changed his mind about what a horrible threat Polanski was, was happy to let him fly to Europe, where he put the film in the can and then flew back to CA to serve that 90 day sentence.

It was only after the media started roasting this judge in the press did he rethink is position.

A 44 year old man drugged a 13 year old girl and raped her vaginally and anally. That's what you are defending. They weren't both 13. One wasn't 18. A 44 year old man drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and escaped rather than serve his sentence.

 

[JoeB131]

A 44 year old man drugged a 13 year old girl and raped her vaginally and anally. That's what you are defending.

Nope, I'm defending the rule of law. If Polanski was as guilty as you say he was, the prosecutors should have gone to court, not cut a plea deal.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Nope, I'm defending the rule of law. If Polanski was as guilty as you say he was, the prosecutors should have gone to court, not cut a plea deal.

Maybe they were corrupt, or incompetent.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Maybe they were corrupt, or incompetent.

Still after this old child rapist. I hope you wrote to him to tell him all about your devotion.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe they were corrupt, or incompetent.

Or maybe they realized they didn't have a very strong case.

Back in the day, unfortunately, you could bring the victim's sexual history into evidence. By her own admission, Ms. Geimler had drug usage and sexual activity in her past. For that reason, and probably because her mother tried to shake down Polanski for money, she didn't want to testify.

So you had a case where a victim wouldn't testify vs. a defendant who was a celebrity, a Holocaust Survivor, and whose wife and child had been murdered by the Manson family.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Still after this old child rapist. I hope you wrote to him to tell him all about your devotion.

Look, lady. Do you want a civil exchange, or not?

Back in the day, unfortunately, you could bring the victim's sexual history into evidence.

This sounds wrong. Good thing it's now in the past.

So you had a case where a victim wouldn't testify vs. a defendant who was a celebrity, a Holocaust Survivor, and whose wife and child had been murdered by the Manson family.

This sounds wrong, too. Just because Polanski might be a victim in another area of life, it does not excuse his criminal behavior, which is what drugging and having sex with a minor is. Also, he is not a Holocaust survivor. Maybe his grandparents or even parents were, but not him. And even if he was, his supposed victim status still does not excuse.

 

[JoeB131]

Look, lady. Do you want a civil exchange, or not?

I don't think she's capable.

This sounds wrong. Good thing it's now in the past.

I agree, but this was the state of the law then.

This sounds wrong, too. Just because Polanski might be a victim in another area of life, it does not excuse his criminal behavior, which is what drugging and having sex with a minor is. Also, he is not a Holocaust survivor. Maybe his grandparents or even parents were, but not him. And even if he was, his supposed victim status still does not excuse.

But this is a reality. We live in a society that is enchanted with "Celebrity". We read magazines about them. We even made someone president because of his celebrity status over dozens of people from both parties who were far more qualified.

Yes, Polanski was a Holocaust Survivor. He was born in Poland in 1933, he was forced to live in the Krakow Ghetto, and his mother was gassed at Auschwitz.

The point is, much like OJ Simpson, he was going into that court with largely positive feelings from the Jury, a high wall to overcome for prosecutors before they got near convincing people he raped anyway.