You Can't Rape the Willing!

[Moonglow]

"You can't rape the willing" seems to be a recurring theme in some of the comments that I've been reading lately. Especially, when someone is talking about the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell.

"They were prostitutes," "they were well paid," etc.

Not to come off like a Law and Order SVU episode, but can't even a prostitute be raped?

My family is (was) very large. My father was the oldest of twelve. I was raised with my aunts and uncles after losing my mom at a very young age.

So, we had quite a span of ages of aunts and uncles about the house on any given day. Some of us were in elementary, some in middle and some in high school (and starting to date) - all under one roof.

I think I was around 10 years old, and one of my older aunts was about to go out to a game, date, or something. My Grandfather didn't like what my aunt was wearing, and I remember him being very stern and telling her how he felt about it. I was too young to remember everything he said but I do remember him saying, "you can't rape the willing" and then explaining it.

The gist of it was, if you go out dressed like that, have some guy attack you. Don't come home crying that they took advantage of you.

He also used to say, "Why should they buy the cow, if they can get the milk for free?"

It took me a long time and having a daughter of my own to know for sure where my grandfather's heart was in what he was saying. However, I think he would also agree with me, that even a hardened professional prostitute can be a victim.

It may be true that "you can't rape the willing" but the key word in that is "willing." It's not in the choice of work or the choice in how one decides to dress.

It would be great to see if anyone agrees with me on this.

You boys musta have never learned to keep it in yer britches.

 

[MayorQuimby]

No, I was agreeing w/ you. I was writing for those who do not agree, and it seems there are plenty out there. I know a woman who had many children, boys and girls and she once said that if a woman went to bed w/ a man, even if she didn't want sex, if he forced the issue, she couldn't call it rape!

that's really Neanderthal

But if she didn't want to have sex with him, why did she go to his bed? To see how loudly he snores?

 

[Moonglow]

Non sequitur. If you can't rape the willing and the willing are under age, then you cannot rape the underage, right?

Besides, I learned a long time ago that if the girl wraps her legs around you pulling you in begging for more as she throws money at your feet applauding, asking for an encore and your phone number, it isn't rape.

So, you can **** all the fifteen-year-old females you want if they throw money at you? I am sure a judge would agree with that, go out and do it.

 

[Moonglow]

But if she didn't want to have sex with him, why did she go to his bed? To see how loudly he snores?

The adult in the room should know better because sixteen years will get you five years.

 

[MayorQuimby]

So, you can **** all the fifteen-year-old females you want if they throw money at you? I am sure a judge would agree with that, go out and do it.

My question is, if a woman is wrapping her legs around one, and she's also throwing money at one at the same time, that's really close-range, isn't it? One can be hurt by all those bricks of bills.

 

[forkintheroad7]

But if she didn't want to have sex with him, why did she go to his bed? To see how loudly he snores?

I've known of women who slept with men who are friends.. or supposedly that. I don't think it is a good idea

but NO means NO

You're my friend and that's it means you're my friend and that's it...

 

[Moonglow]

My question is, if a woman is wrapping her legs around one, and she's also throwing money at one at the same time, that's really close-range, isn't it? One can be hurt by all those bricks of bills.

Or think of prison...These underage fuckers are a joy to yous guys, no?

 

[MayorQuimby]

Or think of prison...These underage fuckers are a joy to yous guys, no?

Dude I am not even a guy.

 

[Moonglow]

Dude I am not even a guy.

If the shoe fits.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I've known of women who slept with men who are friends.. or supposedly that. I don't think it is a good idea

but NO means NO

You're my friend and that's it means you're my friend and that's it...

Friendship. That's a special case. But I think here we are talking about people in a heterosexual context.

I don't know about other women but if I go to a guy's bed with him, that only means one thing, lol.

 

[Moonglow]

Friendship. That's a special case. But I think here we are talking about people in a heterosexual context.

I don't know about other women but if I go to a guy's bed with him, that only means one thing, lol.

You need to change the sheets?

 

[Moonglow]

Friendship. That's a special case. But I think here we are talking about people in a heterosexual context.

I don't know about other women but if I go to a guy's bed with him, that only means one thing, lol.

Even if that guy is thirteen?

 

[MayorQuimby]

You need to change the sheets?

Or maybe I am giving him a prostate examination.

The physical health of the man I am dating is important to me, you see.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Even if that guy is thirteen?

I tend to be attracted to 40 years old, not 13 year olds.

 

[Chuz Life]

No, I was agreeing w/ you. I was writing for those who do not agree, and it seems there are plenty out there. I know a woman who had many children, boys and girls and she once said that if a woman went to bed w/ a man, even if she didn't want sex, if he forced the issue, she couldn't call it rape!

that's really Neanderthal

CRINGE.

I don't know what to say to that other than to maybe say that if there's any question about it, take it as a NO.

I think my grandfather's point was, he was trying to warn my aunts about tempting fate.

 

[Failzero]

Peaceful Rape ?

 

[forkintheroad7]

That's in theory correct but in real life, I find that things aren't that straightforward, because a reasonably modest woman is going to be saying "no" (but she is not really saying no, if you know your way around women). If I were with a guy, it could be someone that I am wildly attracted to, but if he is being too sexually aggressive, I am gonna protest a little, even though I might secretly enjoy it. I think it's the way most women are. Very few women are gonna be like, "yes yes yes!! Give it to me daddy!!", lol.

women need to avoid close contact (being alone w/) w/ men they are not married to. Sex is for marriage, whether anyone agrees w/ me or not. It is unnatural and abnormal and etc... to have sex w/o being married to the person. So that means never being alone w/ the opposite sex. I know this view is not popular today, but if people stuck to that, there's be far fewer broken hearts and broken lives. People end it all over such things, or if not, they become depressed when the person finds someone else and etc.. God never wanted it to be that way. He loves us and doesn't want us harmed

 

[MayorQuimby]

women need to avoid close contact (being alone w/) w/ men they are not married to. Sex is for marriage, whether anyone agrees w/ me or not. It is unnatural and abnormal and etc... to have sex w/o being married to the person. So that means never being alone w/ the opposite sex. I know this view is not popular today, but if people stuck to that, there's be far fewer broken hearts and broken lives. People end it all over such things, or if not, they become depressed when the person finds someone else and etc.. God never wanted it to be that way. He loves us and doesn't want us harmed

I generally agree except I would relax it a bit and say that people should only have sex with those they are in love with. In my book, it is OK to have sex with someone as long as you genuinely love them. Of course, this can sometimes open up a whole can of worms, such as in extramarital affairs. But generally speaking, I agree with your post.

 

[Hellokitty]

I have seen a number of interviews with Epstein victims. What Epstein did used to be called the crime of seduction. He identified beautiful, naive young women in late teens, early 20s and dazzled them. He promised thar his contacts in the modeling industry would give modeling contracts. He paid for apartments and bought them clothes. Yes they could say no and lose their home and income. He was building a little harem. He never physically abused any of these women. They were always free to go. Epstein was very much like Harvey Weinstein. You want that part, drop your pants.

One girl was 16. A friend if hers said she could get $200 for giving a creepy old man a massage. When she got there he was nude. She opted to leave. Epstein reached for his wallet, peeled off $200 and gave it to her. If she brought another girl, they would both get $200. Was that a crime, you betcha.

The hurt these young women endured cannot be diminished. However democrats, in their zeal to get Trump have blown up this case far beyond what it ever was.

So how does it work with the girls who were of age that brought in other girls? Would they be a victim and also guilty of trafficking?

 

[Failzero]

Peaceful Rape