yep no controlled demolition of bld 7 or lost libertys since 9/11 alright

[SAYIT]

Anyone who thinks we haven't lost Liberties since 911, is truly living life in ignorant Goose Stepper Bliss. Definitely Red Pill time for them.

You keep sayin' that but everytime you are asked to describe how your freedoms have been dented you slither away. Is it a prob for you that you can no longer carry a bomb or a boxcutter aboard a commercial airliner?

As I understand it, the Patriot Act allowed for easier surveillance by the government on US citizens. The rules for beginning various types of surveillance were loosened.

I can't remember the exact circumstances of incidents at the moment, but I also seem to recall more than one occurrence of innocent citizens being detained for long periods without representation based on the Patriot Act.

And more, I am pretty sure there have been complaints that law enforcement has used provisions of the Patriot Act in pursuing other criminals, not just terrorists.

So I would agree that some liberties have been lost, or at least degraded, since 9/11. Have I felt that personally? The closest I personally have come that I know of is having to get a new ID for my little local bank, because the one I had been using was expired. No loss of liberty, just a minor inconvenience. However, the fact that I have not personally experienced any of the negative effects does not mean I am immune to them or that my freedoms haven't been at all lessened. If it were to become illegal to travel from the east coast to the west coast I would have lost some freedom, but since I never have and never expect to do such traveling, I wouldn't experience it personally.

Paulitician may be a crazy CT nut, but he's not always completely wrong.

I neither said nor inferred that the rules of engagement haven't been changed. I specifically asked the OP who has repeatedly whined about his loss of freedom to describe how his freedoms have been lost. Methinks this is a case of Pauli making a mountain out of a molehill.
BTW, the Left Coast ain't so bad and the trip is still perfectly legal.

 

[georgephillip]

Anyone who thinks we haven't lost Liberties since 911, is truly living life in ignorant Goose Stepper Bliss. Definitely Red Pill time for them.

You keep sayin' that but everytime you are asked to describe how your freedoms have been dented you slither away. Is it a prob for you that you can no longer carry a bomb or a boxcutter aboard a commercial airliner?

As I understand it, the Patriot Act allowed for easier surveillance by the government on US citizens. The rules for beginning various types of surveillance were loosened.

I can't remember the exact circumstances of incidents at the moment, but I also seem to recall more than one occurrence of innocent citizens being detained for long periods without representation based on the Patriot Act.

And more, I am pretty sure there have been complaints that law enforcement has used provisions of the Patriot Act in pursuing other criminals, not just terrorists.

So I would agree that some liberties have been lost, or at least degraded, since 9/11. Have I felt that personally? The closest I personally have come that I know of is having to get a new ID for my little local bank, because the one I had been using was expired. No loss of liberty, just a minor inconvenience. However, the fact that I have not personally experienced any of the negative effects does not mean I am immune to them or that my freedoms haven't been at all lessened. If it were to become illegal to travel from the east coast to the west coast I would have lost some freedom, but since I never have and never expect to do such traveling, I wouldn't experience it personally.

Paulitician may be a crazy CT nut, but he's not always completely wrong.

"If we lose in Hedges v. Obama—and it seems certain that no matter the outcome of the appeal this case will reach the Supreme Court—electoral politics and our rights as citizens will be as empty as those of Nero’s Rome.

"If we lose, the power of the military to detain citizens, strip them of due process and hold them indefinitely in military prisons will become a terrifying reality.

"Democrat or Republican.

"Occupy activist or libertarian. Socialist or tea party stalwart. It does not matter. This is not a partisan fight.

"Once the state seizes this unchecked power, it will inevitably create a secret, lawless world of indiscriminate violence, terror and gulags. I lived under several military dictatorships during the two decades I was a foreign correspondent.

"I know the beast."

I don't know what Chris Hedges's views on 911 are, but he's covered enough war zones to be worth listening to regarding the loss of US freedoms since that fateful day.

Chris Hedges: The NDAA and the Death of the Democratic State - Chris Hedges' Columns - Truthdig

 

[paulitician]

Nothing to see here folks. Everything is fine. Big Brother's got your back. So stop your complaining and STFU!...Or else!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

thats where you have been brainwashed.You arent paid shill.Your just a loyal Bush dupe afraid of the truth and in denial and afraid to acknowledge you dont live in a free country,that you oonly see what you WANT to see as you have proved so many times.

SAYIT troll on the other hand is a sock puppet who has been sent here by his handlers to try and derail any kind of government corruption.he defends ANY kind of government wrong doing no matter how many times he has been proven wrong.typical troll.he knows perfectly well it was an inside job.You are just afraid and in denial,big difference there.

Yeah, that's it. If one disagrees with the CT loons one can only be either brainwashed sheeple or has been sent here by some nefaroius handlers to torment the loons. It's just not possible that any rational person wouldn't be a CT Nutter.

But you are a CT nutter. You believe in one of the most outrageously nutty CT, and whats worse is that you have no solid proof that substantiates it!

thats because like I said,he is afraid of the truth and only sees what he WANTS to see.like paid shill SAYIT, and all shills and Bush dupes afraid like Montrovent,he has NO ANSWERS for that five minute video or the facts in the video on this thread of mine or the facts in the videos posted by myself and Paulitician in out opening posts on this thread of his.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...solved-names-connections-details-exposed.html

Montrovent like all OCTA'S and like all paid shills like Sayit troll,have no debating skills whatsoever,they never try and counter these facts everytime they are presetned to them. and they call US loonys? at least we dont run off when presented with facts in videos that cant be debunked and then keep trolling pretending like our opponent never posted any evidence.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Anyone who thinks we haven't lost Liberties since 911, is truly living life in ignorant Goose Stepper Bliss. Definitely Red Pill time for them.

thats why the OCTAS and paid shill trolls like sayit wont look at this video,they only see what they WANT to see.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

whats so amazing about that ignorant post from those brainwashed Bush dupes is the majority of congress is corrupt. bought off and paid for by the zionists so we cant expect to have a reali investigation into this.

Enjoy.tons of information with very good links

Truth and Shadows » George Bush

That is the typical paranoid CT Nutter expanation for their inability to convince America of the "truth" of their CTs.
Circular thinking at its most perverse: there can be no investigation because the Zionists have bought and paid for our Congress. How convenient for the loons.

Israel controls the US congress, as evidenced by their attacking Hagel during the nomination hearings for starters. These treasonous congressmen have displayed more loyalty to Israeli interests then to the nation they are supposed to be working for.
The evidence of this loyalty is pervasive throughout "our" government, courts, and media.
You wouldn't bother to notice or care tho..

thats the understatement of the century.He of course wont watch this video here as he has proven throughout this whole thread he closes his eyes and closes his ears everytime videos are presented to him.Have YOU seen this video by chance? the proof is in the pudding right there how Israel controls congress and Obama and all presidents let the prime minister rule the roost when they come visit at the white house.

the only thing that missing for Bibi here is the red carpet treatment with flowers being thrown on it before he walks.Obama is pretty much bowing down to him as the the video clearly shows. so HAVE YOU seen this video before by chance? I cracked up when i first saw it watching Obama bow down and worship Bibi like he did.



yep the zionist jews dont control congress alright and zionist jew larry Silverstein even though he proffited at least in the millions from the attacks,had no involvement in this alright.

 

[SAYIT]

That is the typical paranoid CT Nutter expanation for their inability to convince America of the "truth" of their CTs.
Circular thinking at its most perverse: there can be no investigation because the Zionists have bought and paid for our Congress. How convenient for the loons.

Israel controls the US congress, as evidenced by their attacking Hagel during the nomination hearings for starters. These treasonous congressmen have displayed more loyalty to Israeli interests then to the nation they are supposed to be working for.
The evidence of this loyalty is pervasive throughout "our" government, courts, and media.
You wouldn't bother to notice or care tho..

thats the understatement of the century.He of course wont watch this video here as he has proven throughout this whole thread he closes his eyes and closes his ears everytime videos are presented to him.Have YOU seen this video by chance? the proof is in the pudding right there how Israel controls congress and Obama and all presidents let the prime minister rule the roost when they come visit at the white house.

the only thing that missing for Bibi here is the red carpet treatment with flowers being thrown on it before he walks.Obama is pretty much bowing down to him as the the video clearly shows. so HAVE YOU seen this video before by chance? I cracked up when i first saw it watching Obama bow down and worship Bibi like he did.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9K1QWlESA]Obama's Unshakable Bondage To Bibi - YouTube[/ame]

yep the zionist jews dont control congress alright and zionist jew larry Silverstein even though he proffited at least in the millions from the attacks,had no involvement in this alright.

Woo. The guy is a carnival freak. He fits right in with this board's CT loons, even wearing a foil lined helmet. No wonder Sista Jones and 9/11 Hand Job dig him.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Israel controls the US congress, as evidenced by their attacking Hagel during the nomination hearings for starters. These treasonous congressmen have displayed more loyalty to Israeli interests then to the nation they are supposed to be working for.
The evidence of this loyalty is pervasive throughout "our" government, courts, and media.
You wouldn't bother to notice or care tho..

thats the understatement of the century.He of course wont watch this video here as he has proven throughout this whole thread he closes his eyes and closes his ears everytime videos are presented to him.Have YOU seen this video by chance? the proof is in the pudding right there how Israel controls congress and Obama and all presidents let the prime minister rule the roost when they come visit at the white house.

the only thing that missing for Bibi here is the red carpet treatment with flowers being thrown on it before he walks.Obama is pretty much bowing down to him as the the video clearly shows. so HAVE YOU seen this video before by chance? I cracked up when i first saw it watching Obama bow down and worship Bibi like he did.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9K1QWlESA]Obama's Unshakable Bondage To Bibi - YouTube[/ame]

yep the zionist jews dont control congress alright and zionist jew larry Silverstein even though he proffited at least in the millions from the attacks,had no involvement in this alright.

Woo. The guy is a carnival freak. He fits right in with this board's CT loons, even wearing a foil lined helmet. No wonder Sista Jones and 9/11 Hand Job dig him.

You're a childish idiot. Try listening to what is being said and see if you can muster up some semblance of an intelligent comment, instead of pretending to be a judge in a fashion show...Once again you have absolutely no rational comment that is relevant to the information that is posted.
Can you request a transfer so they can at least have someone with some smarts regarding what they send you to ridicule or try to debunk? I mean all you have is a very limited repertoire
that is based on ad hominem, and you've been relegated to cheer leader .....and bottom of the rung status

The government of the USA has been infiltrated and subverted by Israeli loyalists, and all you can say about it is a comment about someones attire???
You seriously suck BAD at what you try to do...It's not your calling.

 

[Montrovant]

This guy actually DOES seem a bit like a carnival barker....I very much question if he's serious or just joking based on this video. I find it funny how he goes on about body language during the interview, when his own body language, with the constant twisting back and forth and occasional thrust forward when he's trying to be frightening, is so odd.

His overly dramatic, stage-voiced proclamations are ridiculous. He offers no evidence, merely pointing out that Obama has declared the US remains a strong ally of Israel, as presidents have been doing for years. In fact, there are many who have complained that Obama is not a strong enough supporter of Israel, that he hasn't been a vocal enough ally, and here you are supporting this video which claims that his vocal support is somehow an indication that Israel controls our elections.

Maybe it's inevitable that CT people would latch onto the Jews, who have been blamed for people's problems in different places for many years. Still, it's a tired refrain. And if you really believe that the president declaring the strength of US relations with Israel is proof that Israel controls our government, you are truly beyond hope. That's not anything approaching proof, it's nothing but speculation. At least based on this video, it's not even speculation based on evidence, but more like wild-assed accusation.

But hey! Maybe thinking 'the Jews did it!' lets you sleep better at night.

 

[Mr. Jones]

This guy actually DOES seem a bit like a carnival barker....I very much question if he's serious or just joking based on this video. I find it funny how he goes on about body language during the interview, when his own body language, with the constant twisting back and forth and occasional thrust forward when he's trying to be frightening, is so odd.

His overly dramatic, stage-voiced proclamations are ridiculous. He offers no evidence, merely pointing out that Obama has declared the US remains a strong ally of Israel, as presidents have been doing for years. In fact, there are many who have complained that Obama is not a strong enough supporter of Israel, that he hasn't been a vocal enough ally, and here you are supporting this video which claims that his vocal support is somehow an indication that Israel controls our elections.

Maybe it's inevitable that CT people would latch onto the Jews, who have been blamed for people's problems in different places for many years. Still, it's a tired refrain. And if you really believe that the president declaring the strength of US relations with Israel is proof that Israel controls our government, you are truly beyond hope. That's not anything approaching proof, it's nothing but speculation. At least based on this video, it's not even speculation based on evidence, but more like wild-assed accusation.

But hey! Maybe thinking 'the Jews did it!' lets you sleep better at night.

You would dismiss evidence anyway. Anyone with 2 working braincells would research these allegations, instead of judging this mans "body language". There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now. If you gave a shit about it as a caring American citizen should, you'd know already by doing your own search. You don't so you didn't. You really make yourself look foolish by protesting once again about something you don't bother to learn about.
I wonder if any of you people who come onto the USMB and engage in these discussions are actually even Americans...If you are in fact Americans, then why are you seemingly oblivious when it comes to these issues of importance?

 

[Montrovant]

This guy actually DOES seem a bit like a carnival barker....I very much question if he's serious or just joking based on this video. I find it funny how he goes on about body language during the interview, when his own body language, with the constant twisting back and forth and occasional thrust forward when he's trying to be frightening, is so odd.

His overly dramatic, stage-voiced proclamations are ridiculous. He offers no evidence, merely pointing out that Obama has declared the US remains a strong ally of Israel, as presidents have been doing for years. In fact, there are many who have complained that Obama is not a strong enough supporter of Israel, that he hasn't been a vocal enough ally, and here you are supporting this video which claims that his vocal support is somehow an indication that Israel controls our elections.

Maybe it's inevitable that CT people would latch onto the Jews, who have been blamed for people's problems in different places for many years. Still, it's a tired refrain. And if you really believe that the president declaring the strength of US relations with Israel is proof that Israel controls our government, you are truly beyond hope. That's not anything approaching proof, it's nothing but speculation. At least based on this video, it's not even speculation based on evidence, but more like wild-assed accusation.

But hey! Maybe thinking 'the Jews did it!' lets you sleep better at night.

You would dismiss evidence anyway. Anyone with 2 working braincells would research these allegations, instead of judging this mans "body language". There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now. If you gave a shit about it as a caring American citizen should, you'd know already by doing your own search. You don't so you didn't. You really make yourself look foolish by protesting once again about something you don't bother to learn about.
I wonder if any of you people who come onto the USMB and engage in these discussions are actually even Americans...If you are in fact Americans, then why are you seemingly oblivious when it comes to these issues of importance?

Hah! One of the 'proofs' of the video is body language, but you think I should dismiss that same indicator in regards to the video?

More, you now think that wild-assed accusations based on no supporting evidence should be researched thoroughly. So, instead of the need for someone to support an argument, you think it makes sense that any unsupported bs should be taken as worthy of vetting? That sounds like the CT mindset in a nutshell!

And now we've gotten to Jew-blaming and calling into question the citizenship of posters who disagree with you. Is that an attempt to blame foreigners and not have to think that people from YOUR country are bad? But wait, I thought rabid nationalism was one of the big brother ploys?

I can't wait to see the historical proof that Zionist Israel controls the US. Perhaps, as one of the few caring Americans, you could show the rest of us how the evil Jews are secretly running everything? I'm sure your ironclad proof will be beyond reproach, just like your proof that 9/11 was perpetrated by the government!

 

[Mr. Jones]

This guy actually DOES seem a bit like a carnival barker....I very much question if he's serious or just joking based on this video. I find it funny how he goes on about body language during the interview, when his own body language, with the constant twisting back and forth and occasional thrust forward when he's trying to be frightening, is so odd.

His overly dramatic, stage-voiced proclamations are ridiculous. He offers no evidence, merely pointing out that Obama has declared the US remains a strong ally of Israel, as presidents have been doing for years. In fact, there are many who have complained that Obama is not a strong enough supporter of Israel, that he hasn't been a vocal enough ally, and here you are supporting this video which claims that his vocal support is somehow an indication that Israel controls our elections.

Maybe it's inevitable that CT people would latch onto the Jews, who have been blamed for people's problems in different places for many years. Still, it's a tired refrain. And if you really believe that the president declaring the strength of US relations with Israel is proof that Israel controls our government, you are truly beyond hope. That's not anything approaching proof, it's nothing but speculation. At least based on this video, it's not even speculation based on evidence, but more like wild-assed accusation.

But hey! Maybe thinking 'the Jews did it!' lets you sleep better at night.

You would dismiss evidence anyway. Anyone with 2 working braincells would research these allegations, instead of judging this mans "body language". There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now. If you gave a shit about it as a caring American citizen should, you'd know already by doing your own search. You don't so you didn't. You really make yourself look foolish by protesting once again about something you don't bother to learn about.
I wonder if any of you people who come onto the USMB and engage in these discussions are actually even Americans...If you are in fact Americans, then why are you seemingly oblivious when it comes to these issues of importance?

Hah! One of the 'proofs' of the video is body language, but you think I should dismiss that same indicator in regards to the video?

More, you now think that wild-assed accusations based on no supporting evidence should be researched thoroughly. So, instead of the need for someone to support an argument, you think it makes sense that any unsupported bs should be taken as worthy of vetting? That sounds like the CT mindset in a nutshell!

And now we've gotten to Jew-blaming and calling into question the citizenship of posters who disagree with you. Is that an attempt to blame foreigners and not have to think that people from YOUR country are bad? But wait, I thought rabid nationalism was one of the big brother ploys?

I can't wait to see the historical proof that Zionist Israel controls the US. Perhaps, as one of the few caring Americans, you could show the rest of us how the evil Jews are secretly running everything? I'm sure your ironclad proof will be beyond reproach, just like your proof that 9/11 was perpetrated by the government!

Wow, it's hard to believe you claim to be so ignorant about this nation, but then again like I said if you don't give a shit, then this is to be expected, and showing you any proof of what is generally well known here in America would be a long waste of anyone's time.
So once again I get no answer to what was asked of you in regards to being an actual American citizen, only a demand to show you readily available evidence, that if you were truly interested in you would already have known about. Why don't you stop wasting your time and move along with your views?
I believe they are that-
Massive steel buildings can explode and fall into the path of most resistance close to FF accelerations by kerosene fires.
The NIST report doesn't have to show anyone it is based on sound science and physics to be considered accurate.
And that the American political scene is not at all heavily influenced by Israeli interests and lobby's. I think that about sums it up...
It doesn't matter to me what you think, just as nothing I just mentioned matters to you.

 

[Montrovant]

You would dismiss evidence anyway. Anyone with 2 working braincells would research these allegations, instead of judging this mans "body language". There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now. If you gave a shit about it as a caring American citizen should, you'd know already by doing your own search. You don't so you didn't. You really make yourself look foolish by protesting once again about something you don't bother to learn about.
I wonder if any of you people who come onto the USMB and engage in these discussions are actually even Americans...If you are in fact Americans, then why are you seemingly oblivious when it comes to these issues of importance?

Hah! One of the 'proofs' of the video is body language, but you think I should dismiss that same indicator in regards to the video?

More, you now think that wild-assed accusations based on no supporting evidence should be researched thoroughly. So, instead of the need for someone to support an argument, you think it makes sense that any unsupported bs should be taken as worthy of vetting? That sounds like the CT mindset in a nutshell!

And now we've gotten to Jew-blaming and calling into question the citizenship of posters who disagree with you. Is that an attempt to blame foreigners and not have to think that people from YOUR country are bad? But wait, I thought rabid nationalism was one of the big brother ploys?

I can't wait to see the historical proof that Zionist Israel controls the US. Perhaps, as one of the few caring Americans, you could show the rest of us how the evil Jews are secretly running everything? I'm sure your ironclad proof will be beyond reproach, just like your proof that 9/11 was perpetrated by the government!

Wow, it's hard to believe you claim to be so ignorant about this nation, but then again like I said if you don't give a shit, then this is to be expected, and showing you any proof of what is generally well known here in America would be a long waste of anyone's time.
So once again I get no answer to what was asked of you in regards to being an actual American citizen, only a demand to show you readily available evidence, that if you were truly interested in you would already have known about. Why don't you stop wasting your time and move along with your views?
I believe they are that-
Massive steel buildings can explode and fall into the path of most resistance close to FF accelerations by kerosene fires.
The NIST report doesn't have to show anyone it is based on sound science and physics to be considered accurate.
And that the American political scene is not at all heavily influenced by Israeli interests and lobby's. I think that about sums it up...
It doesn't matter to me what you think, just as nothing I just mentioned matters to you.

So you ignore the fact that the very video in contention makes body language a large part of it's evidence, insisting I ignore the same evidence in regards to the video.

You for some reason think disagreement with your many conspiracy theories means a lack of US citizenship. I'm a United States citizen, born in NY state. I have a perfectly valid ID and birth certificate. I'm not sure how that relates to my posts, but there ya go.

You again claim that there is no need for presenting evidence when making a claim, now using the excuse that I wouldn't believe your evidence anyway. Why present the damn argument in the first place, then? If you want to make a claim, back it up, or you are just pissing in the wind.

Now it's generally well known in America that Israel is in control of the US government? I hate to break it to you, but your circle of CT friends does NOT constitute all of America. I feel pretty confident that your claim is untrue, but if you have evidence of it, feel free to present that. Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't think bothering presenting evidence is important to making an argument. Especially with generally accepted knowledge which, strangely enough, is not something I or anyone I know has ever claimed or presented as generally accepted.

I also find myself quite amused by the moving goalposts. So now it's Israel influences the US government? Looking back, looking at the video, it seems pretty clear that the claim was that Israel CONTROLS the US government. What does it matter though, right? Why should you bother presenting evidence, or backing up claims, or even arguing the same thing from post to post? I won't believe you anyway, so you don't need to bother with silly things like evidence or consistency!

 

[Mr. Jones]

Hah! One of the 'proofs' of the video is body language, but you think I should dismiss that same indicator in regards to the video?

More, you now think that wild-assed accusations based on no supporting evidence should be researched thoroughly. So, instead of the need for someone to support an argument, you think it makes sense that any unsupported bs should be taken as worthy of vetting? That sounds like the CT mindset in a nutshell!

And now we've gotten to Jew-blaming and calling into question the citizenship of posters who disagree with you. Is that an attempt to blame foreigners and not have to think that people from YOUR country are bad? But wait, I thought rabid nationalism was one of the big brother ploys?

I can't wait to see the historical proof that Zionist Israel controls the US. Perhaps, as one of the few caring Americans, you could show the rest of us how the evil Jews are secretly running everything? I'm sure your ironclad proof will be beyond reproach, just like your proof that 9/11 was perpetrated by the government!

Wow, it's hard to believe you claim to be so ignorant about this nation, but then again like I said if you don't give a shit, then this is to be expected, and showing you any proof of what is generally well known here in America would be a long waste of anyone's time.
So once again I get no answer to what was asked of you in regards to being an actual American citizen, only a demand to show you readily available evidence, that if you were truly interested in you would already have known about. Why don't you stop wasting your time and move along with your views?
I believe they are that-
Massive steel buildings can explode and fall into the path of most resistance close to FF accelerations by kerosene fires.
The NIST report doesn't have to show anyone it is based on sound science and physics to be considered accurate.
And that the American political scene is not at all heavily influenced by Israeli interests and lobby's. I think that about sums it up...
It doesn't matter to me what you think, just as nothing I just mentioned matters to you.

So you ignore the fact that the very video in contention makes body language a large part of it's evidence, insisting I ignore the same evidence in regards to the video.

You for some reason think disagreement with your many conspiracy theories means a lack of US citizenship. I'm a United States citizen, born in NY state. I have a perfectly valid ID and birth certificate. I'm not sure how that relates to my posts, but there ya go.

You again claim that there is no need for presenting evidence when making a claim, now using the excuse that I wouldn't believe your evidence anyway. Why present the damn argument in the first place, then? If you want to make a claim, back it up, or you are just pissing in the wind.

Now it's generally well known in America that Israel is in control of the US government? I hate to break it to you, but your circle of CT friends does NOT constitute all of America. I feel pretty confident that your claim is untrue, but if you have evidence of it, feel free to present that. Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't think bothering presenting evidence is important to making an argument. Especially with generally accepted knowledge which, strangely enough, is not something I or anyone I know has ever claimed or presented as generally accepted.

I also find myself quite amused by the moving goalposts. So now it's Israel influences the US government? Looking back, looking at the video, it seems pretty clear that the claim was that Israel CONTROLS the US government. What does it matter though, right? Why should you bother presenting evidence, or backing up claims, or even arguing the same thing from post to post? I won't believe you anyway, so you don't need to bother with silly things like evidence or consistency!

I already went around in circles with you regarding the WTC, and you did not bother to post any data or evidence that substantiated your position on that, so why should I bother to appease you by looking up something that if you truly cared about or were concerned with, you'd have already done it?
You say I made a claim, that you don't seem to agree with, so why not post something that discredits my claim?
You don't agree with claims of how ones body language can be interpreted? Then perhaps you can post something relative to that or how police agencies are so wrong when incorporating the technique during interrogations?
My claim is that Israel influences, and thereby controls aspects of the American government. Hell just google it and you'll get information about this. If you care that is.
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your CT regarding the WTC buildings and how it is feasible to assume kerosene from 2 planes can destroy 3 buildings on the same day....

 

[Montrovant]

Wow, it's hard to believe you claim to be so ignorant about this nation, but then again like I said if you don't give a shit, then this is to be expected, and showing you any proof of what is generally well known here in America would be a long waste of anyone's time.
So once again I get no answer to what was asked of you in regards to being an actual American citizen, only a demand to show you readily available evidence, that if you were truly interested in you would already have known about. Why don't you stop wasting your time and move along with your views?
I believe they are that-
Massive steel buildings can explode and fall into the path of most resistance close to FF accelerations by kerosene fires.
The NIST report doesn't have to show anyone it is based on sound science and physics to be considered accurate.
And that the American political scene is not at all heavily influenced by Israeli interests and lobby's. I think that about sums it up...
It doesn't matter to me what you think, just as nothing I just mentioned matters to you.

So you ignore the fact that the very video in contention makes body language a large part of it's evidence, insisting I ignore the same evidence in regards to the video.

You for some reason think disagreement with your many conspiracy theories means a lack of US citizenship. I'm a United States citizen, born in NY state. I have a perfectly valid ID and birth certificate. I'm not sure how that relates to my posts, but there ya go.

You again claim that there is no need for presenting evidence when making a claim, now using the excuse that I wouldn't believe your evidence anyway. Why present the damn argument in the first place, then? If you want to make a claim, back it up, or you are just pissing in the wind.

Now it's generally well known in America that Israel is in control of the US government? I hate to break it to you, but your circle of CT friends does NOT constitute all of America. I feel pretty confident that your claim is untrue, but if you have evidence of it, feel free to present that. Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't think bothering presenting evidence is important to making an argument. Especially with generally accepted knowledge which, strangely enough, is not something I or anyone I know has ever claimed or presented as generally accepted.

I also find myself quite amused by the moving goalposts. So now it's Israel influences the US government? Looking back, looking at the video, it seems pretty clear that the claim was that Israel CONTROLS the US government. What does it matter though, right? Why should you bother presenting evidence, or backing up claims, or even arguing the same thing from post to post? I won't believe you anyway, so you don't need to bother with silly things like evidence or consistency!

I already went around in circles with you regarding the WTC, and you did not bother to post any data or evidence that substantiated your position on that, so why should I bother to appease you by looking up something that if you truly cared about or were concerned with, you'd have already done it?
You say I made a claim, that you don't seem to agree with, so why not post something that discredits my claim?
You don't agree with claims of how ones body language can be interpreted? Then perhaps you can post something relative to that or how police agencies are so wrong when incorporating the technique during interrogations?
My claim is that Israel influences, and thereby controls aspects of the American government. Hell just google it and you'll get information about this. If you care that is.
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your CT regarding the WTC buildings and how it is feasible to assume kerosene from 2 planes can destroy 3 buildings on the same day....

Are you reading what's being posted?

YOU complained that I shouldn't be bothering with the body language of the man in the video. I don't know how you get from that to me claiming body language cannot be interpreted.

You said, "There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now.". Now it is that Israel influences the US government. Is this where we're going to stay, or is the claim going to change again?

I have never claimed that kerosene destroyed 3 buildings. I have accepted that impact damage and fire destroyed 2 buildings, and fire alone a third. You have posted some evidence that you believe disproves that. I disagree with the conclusions drawn, and in some cases the data used, but I appreciate that you have at least backed up your claims with SOMETHING. The points is not that I believe you, but that I can at least see some sort of reason for what you propose; without any evidence, as in the case with the video we've been discussing, there's no reason for anyone to take anything said seriously. I could claim that the Scientologists are actually secretly running the US government, but unless I give some evidence, why would you possibly have reason to believe it, or even waste any time looking into it? If you research every claim anyone makes, you'd never have time for anything else!

In other words, until you have SOMETHING to substantiate a claim, there is no reason for me to try and debunk it. That's a common tactic, asking someone to disprove something rather than having to prove it in the first place. It's ridiculous, it shows a lack of depth to an argument, it's childish. The Olsen twins are controlling the US government. Disprove it!

 

[Mr. Jones]

So you ignore the fact that the very video in contention makes body language a large part of it's evidence, insisting I ignore the same evidence in regards to the video.

You for some reason think disagreement with your many conspiracy theories means a lack of US citizenship. I'm a United States citizen, born in NY state. I have a perfectly valid ID and birth certificate. I'm not sure how that relates to my posts, but there ya go.

You again claim that there is no need for presenting evidence when making a claim, now using the excuse that I wouldn't believe your evidence anyway. Why present the damn argument in the first place, then? If you want to make a claim, back it up, or you are just pissing in the wind.

Now it's generally well known in America that Israel is in control of the US government? I hate to break it to you, but your circle of CT friends does NOT constitute all of America. I feel pretty confident that your claim is untrue, but if you have evidence of it, feel free to present that. Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't think bothering presenting evidence is important to making an argument. Especially with generally accepted knowledge which, strangely enough, is not something I or anyone I know has ever claimed or presented as generally accepted.

I also find myself quite amused by the moving goalposts. So now it's Israel influences the US government? Looking back, looking at the video, it seems pretty clear that the claim was that Israel CONTROLS the US government. What does it matter though, right? Why should you bother presenting evidence, or backing up claims, or even arguing the same thing from post to post? I won't believe you anyway, so you don't need to bother with silly things like evidence or consistency!

I already went around in circles with you regarding the WTC, and you did not bother to post any data or evidence that substantiated your position on that, so why should I bother to appease you by looking up something that if you truly cared about or were concerned with, you'd have already done it?
You say I made a claim, that you don't seem to agree with, so why not post something that discredits my claim?
You don't agree with claims of how ones body language can be interpreted? Then perhaps you can post something relative to that or how police agencies are so wrong when incorporating the technique during interrogations?
My claim is that Israel influences, and thereby controls aspects of the American government. Hell just google it and you'll get information about this. If you care that is.
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your CT regarding the WTC buildings and how it is feasible to assume kerosene from 2 planes can destroy 3 buildings on the same day....

Are you reading what's being posted?

YOU complained that I shouldn't be bothering with the body language of the man in the video. I don't know how you get from that to me claiming body language cannot be interpreted.

You said, "There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now.". Now it is that Israel influences the US government. Is this where we're going to stay, or is the claim going to change again?

I have never claimed that kerosene destroyed 3 buildings. I have accepted that impact damage and fire destroyed 2 buildings, and fire alone a third. You have posted some evidence that you believe disproves that. I disagree with the conclusions drawn, and in some cases the data used, but I appreciate that you have at least backed up your claims with SOMETHING. The points is not that I believe you, but that I can at least see some sort of reason for what you propose; without any evidence, as in the case with the video we've been discussing, there's no reason for anyone to take anything said seriously. I could claim that the Scientologists are actually secretly running the US government, but unless I give some evidence, why would you possibly have reason to believe it, or even waste any time looking into it? If you research every claim anyone makes, you'd never have time for anything else!

In other words, until you have SOMETHING to substantiate a claim, there is no reason for me to try and debunk it. That's a common tactic, asking someone to disprove something rather than having to prove it in the first place. It's ridiculous, it shows a lack of depth to an argument, it's childish. The Olsen twins are controlling the US government. Disprove it!

You act incredulous about this as if it's never been mentioned before...For the sake of trying to stay within the theme of the OP. There were people within the Bush administration that are Israeli loyalists. In fact many connections regarding the Israeli's and 9-11 have been made.

The recent Hagel confirmation hearings confirm the power of the Israeli lobby, in fact you and the senator from S Carolina have at least one thing in common regarding Israeli influence in American politics....You both play stupid regarding how obvious it is..

Scientology, the Olsen twins? Really? Wow what a spot on comparison.....

So are you now denying that kerosene played no part in the WTC destruction? You do know that jet fuel is glorified kerosene....don't you?
How can you say you accept that plane damage and fires destroyed them, when there is no verifiable proof that backs up that theory? Are you prepared to post anything that substantiates this theory, instead of wild guesses?

 

[Montrovant]

I already went around in circles with you regarding the WTC, and you did not bother to post any data or evidence that substantiated your position on that, so why should I bother to appease you by looking up something that if you truly cared about or were concerned with, you'd have already done it?
You say I made a claim, that you don't seem to agree with, so why not post something that discredits my claim?
You don't agree with claims of how ones body language can be interpreted? Then perhaps you can post something relative to that or how police agencies are so wrong when incorporating the technique during interrogations?
My claim is that Israel influences, and thereby controls aspects of the American government. Hell just google it and you'll get information about this. If you care that is.
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your CT regarding the WTC buildings and how it is feasible to assume kerosene from 2 planes can destroy 3 buildings on the same day....

Are you reading what's being posted?

YOU complained that I shouldn't be bothering with the body language of the man in the video. I don't know how you get from that to me claiming body language cannot be interpreted.

You said, "There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now.". Now it is that Israel influences the US government. Is this where we're going to stay, or is the claim going to change again?

I have never claimed that kerosene destroyed 3 buildings. I have accepted that impact damage and fire destroyed 2 buildings, and fire alone a third. You have posted some evidence that you believe disproves that. I disagree with the conclusions drawn, and in some cases the data used, but I appreciate that you have at least backed up your claims with SOMETHING. The points is not that I believe you, but that I can at least see some sort of reason for what you propose; without any evidence, as in the case with the video we've been discussing, there's no reason for anyone to take anything said seriously. I could claim that the Scientologists are actually secretly running the US government, but unless I give some evidence, why would you possibly have reason to believe it, or even waste any time looking into it? If you research every claim anyone makes, you'd never have time for anything else!

In other words, until you have SOMETHING to substantiate a claim, there is no reason for me to try and debunk it. That's a common tactic, asking someone to disprove something rather than having to prove it in the first place. It's ridiculous, it shows a lack of depth to an argument, it's childish. The Olsen twins are controlling the US government. Disprove it!

You act incredulous about this as if it's never been mentioned before...For the sake of trying to stay within the theme of the OP. There were people within the Bush administration that are Israeli loyalists. In fact many connections regarding the Israeli's and 9-11 have been made.

The recent Hagel confirmation hearings confirm the power of the Israeli lobby, in fact you and the senator from S Carolina have at least one thing in common regarding Israeli influence in American politics....You both play stupid regarding how obvious it is..

Scientology, the Olsen twins? Really? Wow what a spot on comparison.....

So are you now denying that kerosene played no part in the WTC destruction? You do know that jet fuel is glorified kerosene....don't you?
How can you say you accept that plane damage and fires destroyed them, when there is no verifiable proof that backs up that theory? Are you prepared to post anything that substantiates this theory, instead of wild guesses?

Let me try this one last time. You said that ISRAEL CONTROLS THE US GOVERNMENT. You have since changed your tune. It was that first claim about which I was incredulous. I'll readily admit that Israel has influence in the US government, it was the claims of control that I found ludicrous and smacking of all too common anti-Jew hatred.

Do you not understand the analogy I was making? It is one of claims without evidence. The wilder the better when making an example to show how silly it is! I don't know how you could misunderstand that. Also, I notice you didn't refute either claim. Why is that? Or does making claims without evidence only work for you, not for others?

As far as there being no verifiable proof that the planes and fires brought down the towers......what there is is plenty of evidence that planes hit the towers, and that fires raged within the towers for a long time afterward, and that the towers then collapsed. If I'm not mistaken, the twin towers started their collapses at about the points where the planes impacted. So my claims are based merely on what I and millions of others saw.

As I've said in the past, I understand some questions about the collapses. It was one of my first reactions to wonder how the towers could collapse in such a compact manner, rather than at least one of them having the top tip to the side. The evidence I've seen that the fires could cause sufficient damage (such as seeing fires weaken beams to the point they buckle in temperatures which could have occurred within the buildings) have led me to accept that what I saw was, in fact, what happened. You, on the other hand, claim that what I saw was nothing but a charade, window-dressing for what REALLY occurred. I've looked at evidence you have presented for that and found it lacking, at least enough to convince me of your ideas. Even before we started arguing about the subject, I was pretty sure that was how it would end up. How often do opinions really change based on message board arguments?

 

[SAYIT]

I already went around in circles with you regarding the WTC, and you did not bother to post any data or evidence that substantiated your position on that, so why should I bother to appease you by looking up something that if you truly cared about or were concerned with, you'd have already done it?
You say I made a claim, that you don't seem to agree with, so why not post something that discredits my claim?
You don't agree with claims of how ones body language can be interpreted? Then perhaps you can post something relative to that or how police agencies are so wrong when incorporating the technique during interrogations?
My claim is that Israel influences, and thereby controls aspects of the American government. Hell just google it and you'll get information about this. If you care that is.
I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your CT regarding the WTC buildings and how it is feasible to assume kerosene from 2 planes can destroy 3 buildings on the same day....

Are you reading what's being posted?

YOU complained that I shouldn't be bothering with the body language of the man in the video. I don't know how you get from that to me claiming body language cannot be interpreted.

You said, "There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now.". Now it is that Israel influences the US government. Is this where we're going to stay, or is the claim going to change again?

I have never claimed that kerosene destroyed 3 buildings. I have accepted that impact damage and fire destroyed 2 buildings, and fire alone a third. You have posted some evidence that you believe disproves that. I disagree with the conclusions drawn, and in some cases the data used, but I appreciate that you have at least backed up your claims with SOMETHING. The points is not that I believe you, but that I can at least see some sort of reason for what you propose; without any evidence, as in the case with the video we've been discussing, there's no reason for anyone to take anything said seriously. I could claim that the Scientologists are actually secretly running the US government, but unless I give some evidence, why would you possibly have reason to believe it, or even waste any time looking into it? If you research every claim anyone makes, you'd never have time for anything else!

In other words, until you have SOMETHING to substantiate a claim, there is no reason for me to try and debunk it. That's a common tactic, asking someone to disprove something rather than having to prove it in the first place. It's ridiculous, it shows a lack of depth to an argument, it's childish. The Olsen twins are controlling the US government. Disprove it!

You act incredulous about this as if it's never been mentioned before...For the sake of trying to stay within the theme of the OP. There were people within the Bush administration that are Israeli loyalists. In fact many connections regarding the Israeli's and 9-11 have been made.

The recent Hagel confirmation hearings confirm the power of the Israeli lobby, in fact you and the senator from S Carolina have at least one thing in common regarding Israeli influence in American politics....You both play stupid regarding how obvious it is..

Scientology, the Olsen twins? Really? Wow what a spot on comparison.....

Perhaps I can clear this up for you. The fact that you have mentioned what you claim to be Israeli loyalists within the Bush Admin doesn't mean they were Israeli loyalists nor does it mean they influenced our gov't to benefit Israel. It simply means you have an irresitible need to blame them and Israel.

 

[SAYIT]

thats the understatement of the century.He of course wont watch this video here as he has proven throughout this whole thread he closes his eyes and closes his ears everytime videos are presented to him.Have YOU seen this video by chance? the proof is in the pudding right there how Israel controls congress and Obama and all presidents let the prime minister rule the roost when they come visit at the white house.

the only thing that missing for Bibi here is the red carpet treatment with flowers being thrown on it before he walks.Obama is pretty much bowing down to him as the the video clearly shows. so HAVE YOU seen this video before by chance? I cracked up when i first saw it watching Obama bow down and worship Bibi like he did.

Obama's Unshakable Bondage To Bibi - YouTube

yep the zionist jews dont control congress alright and zionist jew larry Silverstein even though he proffited at least in the millions from the attacks,had no involvement in this alright.

Woo. The guy is a carnival freak. He fits right in with this board's CT loons, even wearing a foil lined helmet. No wonder Sista Jones and 9/11 Hand Job dig him.

You're a childish idiot. Try listening to what is being said and see if you can muster up some semblance of an intelligent comment, instead of pretending to be a judge in a fashion show...Once again you have absolutely no rational comment that is relevant to the information that is posted.
Can you request a transfer so they can at least have someone with some smarts regarding what they send you to ridicule or try to debunk? I mean all you have is a very limited repertoire
that is based on ad hominem, and you've been relegated to cheer leader .....and bottom of the rung status

The government of the USA has been infiltrated and subverted by Israeli loyalists, and all you can say about it is a comment about someones attire???
You seriously suck BAD at what you try to do...It's not your calling.

Clearly the 9/11 CT movement has been infiltrated by Nazi slimeballs.

 

[SAYIT]

This guy actually DOES seem a bit like a carnival barker....I very much question if he's serious or just joking based on this video. I find it funny how he goes on about body language during the interview, when his own body language, with the constant twisting back and forth and occasional thrust forward when he's trying to be frightening, is so odd.

His overly dramatic, stage-voiced proclamations are ridiculous. He offers no evidence, merely pointing out that Obama has declared the US remains a strong ally of Israel, as presidents have been doing for years. In fact, there are many who have complained that Obama is not a strong enough supporter of Israel, that he hasn't been a vocal enough ally, and here you are supporting this video which claims that his vocal support is somehow an indication that Israel controls our elections.

Maybe it's inevitable that CT people would latch onto the Jews, who have been blamed for people's problems in different places for many years. Still, it's a tired refrain. And if you really believe that the president declaring the strength of US relations with Israel is proof that Israel controls our government, you are truly beyond hope. That's not anything approaching proof, it's nothing but speculation. At least based on this video, it's not even speculation based on evidence, but more like wild-assed accusation.

But hey! Maybe thinking 'the Jews did it!' lets you sleep better at night.

You would dismiss evidence anyway. Anyone with 2 working braincells would research these allegations, instead of judging this mans "body language". There is historical proof that the US has been controlled by Israeli Zionist interests for years now.

No, there isn't, but as Monty says if it helps you sleep...