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[Ace Nova]

liberation theology, self determination in triumph over evil is the means for heavenly judgement when accomplished for admission to the everlasting for their feed spirit.

What is the "everlasting" in your opinion?

In ancient times - ancient religions regarded "The Abyss" - "Tartarus" - and even "The Bottomless Pit" as beings realms - do any of these make up any parts of the "everlasting" you speak of?

And does God's Sabbath - the Earthly Paradise - makeup parts of the Everlasting?

 

[ding]

liberation theology, self determination in triumph over evil is the means for heavenly judgement when accomplished for admission to the everlasting for their feed spirit.

Liberation theology, emerging in the late 1960s, is a Christian theological movement that interprets the faith through the lens of the poor and oppressed, prioritizing social justice as a necessary component of salvation. While not conventionally defining "self-determination" as the sole mechanism for heavenly judgment, it posits that active, collective struggle (praxis) against structural evil and injustice is a fundamental, tangible expression of faith in God.
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Core Tenets and Interpretation of Your Premise:

• Triumph over Evil as Social/Structural Action: Liberation theology views sin not only as individual disobedience but as structural and corporate injustice. Therefore, "triumphing over evil" is interpreted as actively fighting against economic, political, and social structures that oppress, such as poverty, systemic racism, and political corruption.
• Self-Determination and "Praxis": Liberation theology promotes the agency of the poor, empowering them to take charge of their destiny (self-determination) rather than accepting oppression as fate. This is often referred to as "praxis"—the combination of action and reflection to transform society.
• Heavenly Judgment and Salvation: Liberation theology argues that true faith cannot be separated from concrete acts of solidarity with the oppressed. It challenges traditional views, stating that "salvation" is an integral process that includes both earthly liberation (justice and equality in this world) and spiritual liberation, rather than only in the hereafter.
• "Feed Spirit" and "Admission to the Everlasting": While some interpretations have been criticized by the Vatican for overemphasizing earthly, political, and Marxist-influenced change, supporters argue that by doing justice on Earth, believers are creating the "Kingdom of God" in the present. It holds that God aligns with the poor and that working for justice is a way of serving Christ.
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Key Perspectives:

• Gustavo Gutiérrez: Considered the "father" of liberation theology, he argued that salvation is a holistic transformation—material and spiritual—and that the Church must act on behalf of the poor.
• Critique and Refinement: In the 1980s, the Vatican warned that liberation theology must not reduce the faith to just political action but must retain the importance of spiritual salvation.
• Faith as Action: The movement insists that a faith that does not lead to a change in disordered social conditions and does not create a sense of social commitment is considered invalid.
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In summary, liberation theology frames the struggle for social justice (triumphing over structural evil) as a profound spiritual act that is integral to the Christian life and the realization of the Kingdom of God.

 

[ding]

So you "believe" that 5000 people followed Jesus into the desert to eat sandwiches not to learn what Jesus had to teach them even though thats what Jesus was concerned about?

John records the same event but doesn't mention the teaching. Mark mentions the teaching but doesn't say what Jesus taught. Both however go into great detail about the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves and fish. Why do you believe that is? Why were the accounts about the miracle instead of the teaching if the teaching was the most important part as you are claiming? Why make it about the miracles instead? Is it because the miracles were the point of the account?

 

[BreezeWood]

What did Jesus teach them that day?

Liberation theology, emerging in the late 1960s,

- are you sure jesus made a trip to the u s in the late 60's ...

or is that from the spoken journals of the 1st century events brought back to life as throughout the centuries despite the desert religions and their autocratic oppression.

 

[hobelim]

Both Light and Darkness serve their purpose. The same way that all darkness is not bad is the same way that all light is not good.

When the Adversary tempted Eve - Eve became exposed to "The Light" - Mistakingly thinking that "All light must be good" - Eve handed the fruit to Adam, telling him it "was good". Adam ate the fruit and within moments, their inner souls regurgitated the very light they thought was "good". They were ashamed of their nakedness - covering themselves with fig leaves.

Their only chance of salvation was for them to be forced to carry the cross of the material world - the labor pains Eve would endure and the intense labor Adam would endure would allow them to live in darkness - protecting them from the mind breaking fruit of knowledge. Generation after Generation - forced to live in darkness so that they would not expose their "nakedness".

Eventually the scars of the "fall" faded and people began seeking The LORD and his light - but this time, the way that God intended - gradually - through faith and works.

Had Adam and Eve not been given the benefit of hiding under darkness for generations - humanity would have likely perished - for the amount of "Light" they received by eating the fruit was many times over the amount of knowledge their young minds and bodies were capable of taking - without going mentally insane. It was the equivalent of trying to store a 100 GB film on a 64K floppy disk - without it ending when the storage became full. Essentially "frying" their minds - until God helped them recover by clothing them and granting them a way for recovery.

So to answer your question - yes, I am blessed that I am capable of using darkness when the light overwhelms my mind, body and soul - with every curse there is a blessing - the fall of man - ejection from Eden allows mankind time to recover in darkness when the light they receive becomes too much to bear - becoming something it is not - and never was meant to be.

You could have just said that you lost your mind.

The story is a fairy tale.

It amounts to a tale about a homeless person being taken in by a king who tried to civilize him and said, "I am going away on business but you can have the run of the place, servants and teachers are at your disposal, but just don't screw my dog or you will surely die."

So the king went away and the jealous prince told Adam the king lied and said if he did what was forbidden he would not die. He would become like the king. So Adam did the dirty deed and said, "Wow I'm not dead!" and put on a costume and started prancing around like a fool.

When the king returned he found his dog freaked out under the bed and asked Adam what happened and Adam said, "The prince told me I could do it!" So the king learned that Adam screwed the pooch. The king then said to Adam, "You came from the streets you will return to the streets to live out the rest of your life naked and homeless." He cried yet so it was.

And the king said to the prince, "What have you done! Cursed are you! You are the lowest of lowlifes. You will live like a bug crawling on the ground eating shit for the rest of your days."

 

[hobelim]

I'll have a drink to celebrate the fact that even you - even for you - the window is never closed. Although the path and the way through the window can become difficult - there is always hope of salvation - redemption - for God - the only God to ever exist - allows his sun to shine over both the righteous and sinners alike - and his HOLYNESS is undeniable - meaning WHOLE.

So when Jesus said, "Unless you repent you will NEVER enter the kingdom of heaven", he was joking? When Jesus spoke of the sin that cannot be forgiven, it was just an opinion?

What of this? "If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, NO FURTHER SACRIFICE FOR SIN REMAINS, but only a terrifying expectation of judgment " Hebrews 10:27



You have been shown where wrong and right and judgment lie. To continue to practice idolatry, by worshipping a trinity, and desecrate the teachings of Jesus, by claiming it can be made by human hands handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food, is to make sinfulness and its consequence, death, a curse that leads to destruction, a willful deliberate choice.

 

[hobelim]

You really don't know the story very well. That's okay, feel free to ask me and I can fill in the gaps for you. Let's start with the fact that the crowd was so eager to hear from Jesus that they went hungry instead of returning home, not as you so lamely tried to state, that they followed Him to get something to eat.

That's stupid and your perversion of Scripture is quite tiresome.

I didn't say they followed him to get something to eat. I asked what was more likely. They followed him to hear him teach. One man with only seven disciples, 5 loaves and 2 fish, teaching 5000 people without a microphone. Jesus said "feed them yourselves." Figure it out. See the obvious. One person does not go off for the day into the desert without food or water let alone 5000 people who have always lived in a desert. They were fed his teaching.

Jesus said,

"Blessed are they who hunger and thirst to see righteousness prevail, they shall be satisfied."

And the crowd was satisfied.

 

[hobelim]

Why were the accounts about the miracle instead of the teaching if the teaching was the most important part as you are claiming? Why make it about the miracles instead? Is it because the miracles were the point of the account?

Why?

So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the WAY to the tree of life."

The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN."

If it is his WORDS that are both Spirit and life then how can you fail to see what is important?

Eating his flesh, his teaching, that he received from my God like manna, bread from heaven.

 

[Ace Nova]

You could have just said that you lost your mind.

The story is a fairy tale.

It amounts to a tale about a homeless person being taken in by a king who tried to civilize him and said, "I am going away on business but you can have the run of the place, servants and teachers are at your disposal, but just don't screw my dog or you will surely die."

So the king went away and the jealous prince told Adam the king lied and said if he did what was forbidden he would not die. He would become like the king. So Adam did the dirty deed and said, "Wow I'm not dead!" and put on a costume and started prancing around like a fool.

When the king returned he found his dog freaked out under the bed and asked Adam what happened and Adam said, "The prince told me I could do it!" So the king learned that Adam screwed the pooch. The king then said to Adam, "You came from the streets you will return to the streets to live out the rest of your life naked and homeless." He cried yet so it was.

And the king said to the prince, "What have you done! Cursed are you! You are the lowest of lowlifes. You will live like a bug crawling on the ground eating shit for the rest of your days."

Yet none of what you state happened in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve in Eden.

My mind is fine - how is yours?

Not sure why you feel the need to bastardize the story - a story over 3000 years old - told to billions and billions of people throughout history - and most understand it just fine - there is no need for another "rendition" of the story - especially one built around "shock value" - written for the sole purpose of creating disgust, ire and discord.

 

[hobelim]

Yet none of what you state happened in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve in Eden.

Yet you failed to notice that the story of A&E it is just like any pagan fairy tale.

The talking serpent represents the pharaoh who wore a serpent on his head and was an expert in the magical arts, sorcery, what is now well known as mind control or brainwashing, and also represents any malignant narcissist, con artist or deceiver religious or secular. The forbidden fruit is the bullshit of a talking serpent, any malignant narcissist, con artist or deceiver.

So of all the creatures described in scripture which one do you think you resemble perfectly?

Take you time.....

 

[Ace Nova]

So when Jesus said, "Unless you repent you will NEVER enter the kingdom of heaven", he was joking? When Jesus spoke of the sin that cannot be forgiven, it was just an opinion?

What of this? "If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, NO FURTHER SACRIFICE FOR SIN REMAINS, but only a terrifying expectation of judgment " Hebrews 10:27



You have been shown where wrong and right and judgment lie. To continue to practice idolatry, by worshipping a trinity, and desecrate the teachings of Jesus, by claiming it can be made by human hands handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food, is to make sinfulness and its consequence, death, a curse that leads to destruction, a willful deliberate choice.

Do not judge or you will be judged - by the same measure you judge others, you too will be judged.

(Matthew 7).

 

[hobelim]

Do not judge or you will be judged - by the same measure you judge others, you too will be judged.

(Matthew 7).

Your own words and deeds have already been judged by God. You have your reward already.

Forgive me for noticing.

 

[Ace Nova]

Your own words and deeds have already been judged by God. You have your reward already.

Forgive me for noticing.

My entire existence - since birth - through childhood, adolescence, teenage years - college years - young adults years - living a "fast life" - every success and failure - the good, the bad and the ugly - has evolved into an intimate - yet at times turbulent (due to my nature) relationship with God.

How about you?

 

[hobelim]

My entire existence - since birth - through childhood, adolescence, teenage years - college years - young adults years - living a "fast life" - every success and failure - the good, the bad and the ugly - has evolved into an intimate - yet at times turbulent (due to my nature) relationship with God.

How about you?

Given the things you say and do I would bet that you have never seen and do not know God.

 

[hadit]

I didn't say they followed him to get something to eat. I asked what was more likely. They followed him to hear him teach. One man with only seven disciples, 5 loaves and 2 fish, teaching 5000 people without a microphone. Jesus said "feed them yourselves." Figure it out. See the obvious. One person does not go off for the day into the desert without food or water let alone 5000 people who have always lived in a desert. They were fed his teaching.

And bread and fish, we will not forget that, as much as you want to pretend.

Jesus said,

"Blessed are they who hunger and thirst to see righteousness prevail, they shall be satisfied."

And the crowd was satisfied.

Yes, they were, because they heard the Gospel straight from God in the flesh, then He fed them literal food to satisfy their biological needs as well. Jesus satisfies totally and completely, taking care of all our needs. We all know that.

 

[Ace Nova]

Given the things you say and do I would bet that you have never seen and do not know God.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

My entire existence - since birth - through childhood, adolescence, teenage years - college years - young adults years - living a "fast life" - every success and failure - the good, the bad and the ugly - has evolved into an intimate - yet at times turbulent (due to my nature) relationship with God.

How about you?

 

[hobelim]

 

[hobelim]

We all know that.

we will not forget that,

How many of you are there?

 

[ding]

- are you sure jesus made a trip to the u s in the late 60's ...

or is that from the spoken journals of the 1st century events brought back to life as throughout the centuries despite the desert religions and their autocratic oppression.

I don't think so but appariently that's what you believe.