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I've never seen someone make up more shit just to justify their perversions.
So you "believe" that 5000 people followed Jesus into the desert to eat sandwiches not to learn what Jesus had to teach them even though thats what Jesus was concerned about?

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

He didn't say, "Damn. I only brought 5 fish sandwiches, how am I going to feed them all?"



So. Ahem. You win "the made up shit just to justify YOUR perversions" of the year award.

Congratulations!
 
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So you "believe" that 5000 people followed Jesus into the desert to eat sandwiches not to learn what Jesus had to teach them even though thats what Jesus was concerned about?

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

Ahem. You win "the made up shit just to justify YOUR perversions" of the year award.

Congratulations!
Yes, I believe the miracles recorded in the gospels are historical events. They were certainly written as historical events and these events explain why they worshipped Jesus as God.
 
I'm not the one changing what the gospels say.
Yes you are.

You are claiming that Jesus fed 5000 people fish sandwiches out of thin air. Pure bullshit. The story is about Jesus feeding 5000 people his teaching using the 7 disciples he had at the time, "Feed them yourselves" and the crowd was satisfied (a miracle in itself) and he ended up with 12 disciples, 12 baskets full of "uneaten pieces", things the crowd could not swallow.
 
Yes, I believe the miracles recorded in the gospels are historical events.
So what. I have irrefutably proven your belief false. And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Do you want a medal a cookie or a prize for professing to believe in the ridiculous?

Obstinate stupidity is not faith. You might as well tattoo SUCKER on your forehead.
 
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Yes you are.

You are claiming that Jesus fed 5000 people fish sandwiches out of thin air. Pure bullshit. The story is about Jesus feeding 5000 people his teaching using the 7 disciples he had at the time, "Feed them yourselves" and the crowd was satisfied (a miracle in itself) and he ended up with 12 disciples, 12 baskets full of "uneaten pieces", things the crowd could not swallow.
The gospels make a concerted effort to show the divinity of Christ. It's self evident. You pervert that to rationalize your perversions.
 
So what. I have proven your belief wrong. And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Do you want a medal or a cookie or something for professing to believe in the ridiculous?

Obstinate stupidity is not faith. You might as well tattoo SUCKER on your forehead.
But you haven't. All you have proven is that you pervert the gospels for your own perversions.
 
I have already done that. Are you blind? Deaf, dumb, dead? Or just a jackass? Would you like a rational explanation for the miracle of the loaves? Giving sight to the blind...again?

As smart as you think you are - your knowledge seems to lack basic wisdom.

Think "deeply" (open your mind) about the following:

If an entity lives beyond the realms of space and time - exists simultaneously within all realms - including our own - and has the power to allow you to rationalize its works in a logical (deep thought MIND) manner - would that entity only allow his doubters and naysayers to "understand it logically"? So that they can ridicule people of true faith - who never witnessed its works but believe through the miracle of his Word?

The Father (MIND) The Son (FLESH) The Holy Spirit (SPIRIT) are ONE - manifesting as 3 persons to the faithful.

The Father created your mind in his image - therefore you are able to understand and comprehend many "logical" meanings within texts.

The Son spoke Words from the Father - those that you can easily grasp - what you cannot grasp are the works of the Son, powered by the Holy Spirit.

When you understand both the words of the Father - spoken through the Son and witness the works of the Son - powered by the Holy Spirit - When you believe the words of the Father to be true with all your mind, heart, and soul and use that power to believe that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are ONE - you will become a miracle to the nations - for you were blind but now you see.
 
So you "believe" that 5000 people followed Jesus into the desert to eat sandwiches not to learn what Jesus had to teach them even though thats what Jesus was concerned about?
What is it that you believe Jesus taught them on that specific occasion? Here's the passage, what did he teach in this passage?


1 After this, Jesus went across the Sea of Galilee [of Tiberias].
2 A large crowd followed him, because they saw the signs he was performing on the sick.
3 Jesus went up on the mountain, and there he sat down with his disciples.
4 The Jewish feast of Passover was near.
5 When Jesus raised his eyes and saw that a large crowd was coming to him, he said to Philip, “Where can we buy enough food for them to eat?”
6 He said this to test him, because he himself knew what he was going to do.
7 Philip answered him, “Two hundred days’ wages* worth of food would not be enough for each of them to have a little [bit].”
8 One of his disciples, Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, said to him,
9 “There is a boy here who has five barley loaves and two fish; but what good are these for so many?”
10 Jesus said, “Have the people recline.” Now there was a great deal of grass* in that place. So the men reclined, about five thousand in number.
11 Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed them to those who were reclining, and also as much of the fish as they wanted.
12 When they had had their fill, he said to his disciples, “Gather the fragments left over, so that nothing will be wasted.”
13 So they collected them, and filled twelve wicker baskets with fragments from the five barley loaves that had been more than they could eat.
14 When the people saw the sign he had done, they said, “This is truly the Prophet,* the one who is to come into the world.”
15 Since Jesus knew that they were going to come and carry him off to make him king, he withdrew again to the mountain alone.
 
If an entity lives beyond the realms of space and time - exists simultaneously within all realms - including our own - and has the power to allow you to rationalize its works in a logical (deep thought MIND) manner - would that entity only allow his doubters and naysayers to "understand it logically"?
No. That entity would only allow rational thinkers who have a love for God and TRUTH to understand it logically. Think of the Bible as a rat trap designed by a superior intelligence.

So that they can ridicule people of true faith - who never witnessed its works but believe through the miracle of his Word?
He dude.

Don't blame my God for you being ridiculed for trying to pass off your childish irrational delusions as a historical reality among educated adults, well at least some educated adults..

If any of you believers had any "true faith" you would have renounced the work of the talking serpent that screwed up your mind a very long time ago... and risen from your fetid tombs.
 
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"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts." Isaiah 52:14

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it Mr Wrong, wrong, wrong, no comment. You might as well try to tell me to not "look up" cause you "believe" there is no sun in the sky.


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Nah - I would tell you to look up! Because there's no sun in the sky! Hoping that I could be blind so that you can see the sun - for one man's blindness is a small ransom for billions to see.
 
Nah - I would tell you to look up! Because there's no sun in the sky! Hoping that I could be blind so that you can see the sun - for one man's blindness is a small ransom for billions to see.
OK. But that could make me blind. Apparently you haven't thought that one out very well. So tell me the truth, would you mind being proven wrong as long as Jesus is proven right? No?

Then stop whining and writhing like a serpent trying to escape the grasp of an eagles talons. I have vindicated the faith in Jesus of every Christian that ever lived by proving Jesus right.

Which means you've been proven wrong but so what. Do you love the same Jesus you eat?

Be happy! The blind see the dead in Christ are rising to life and the lame are jumping around.

 
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If any of you believers had any "true faith" you would have renounced the work of the talking serpent that screwed up your mind a very long time ago... and risen from your fetid tombs.

Both Light and Darkness serve their purpose. The same way that all darkness is not bad is the same way that all light is not good.

When the Adversary tempted Eve - Eve became exposed to "The Light" - Mistakingly thinking that "All light must be good" - Eve handed the fruit to Adam, telling him it "was good". Adam ate the fruit and within moments, their inner souls regurgitated the very light they thought was "good". They were ashamed of their nakedness - covering themselves with fig leaves.

Their only chance of salvation was for them to be forced to carry the cross of the material world - the labor pains Eve would endure and the intense labor Adam would endure would allow them to live in darkness - protecting them from the mind breaking fruit of knowledge. Generation after Generation - forced to live in darkness so that they would not expose their "nakedness".

Eventually the scars of the "fall" faded and people began seeking The LORD and his light - but this time, the way that God intended - gradually - through faith and works.

Had Adam and Eve not been given the benefit of hiding under darkness for generations - humanity would have likely perished - for the amount of "Light" they received by eating the fruit was many times over the amount of knowledge their young minds and bodies were capable of taking - without going mentally insane. It was the equivalent of trying to store a 100 GB film on a 64K floppy disk - without it ending when the storage became full. Essentially "frying" their minds - until God helped them recover by clothing them and granting them a way for recovery.

So to answer your question - yes, I am blessed that I am capable of using darkness when the light overwhelms my mind, body and soul - with every curse there is a blessing - the fall of man - ejection from Eden allows mankind time to recover in darkness when the light they receive becomes too much to bear - becoming something it is not - and never was meant to be.
 
OK. But that could make me blind. Apparently you haven't thought that one out very well. So tell me the truth, would you mind being proven wrong as long as Jesus is proven right? No?

Then stop whining and writhing like a serpent trying to escape the grasp of an eagles talons. I have vindicated the faith in Jesus of every Christian that ever lived by proving Jesus right.

Which means you've been proven wrong but so what. Do you love the same Jesus you eat?

Be happy! The blind see the dead in Christ are rising to life and the lame are jumping around.




At least the Pharisees believed in the works of Christ. They may not have always agreed with his methods - and some may have been jealous - but they were witnesses to his works.

Unlike your kind - The Sadducees - never believing - always antagonizing - killing the very thing that brought you life.

 
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At least the Pharisees believed in the works of Christ.
No they didn't. They tried to frame a charge against him everywhere he went and almost every time he opened his mouth they got pissed off accused him of claiming to be God being out of his mind or possessed by a devil and wanted to stone him like you Jesus eaters whenever someone has the audacity to say the obvious. You all are out of YOUR minds.

Just as God, creator of heaven and earth, intended to do through Jesus.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword" (Jesus H. Christ)

From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to SMITE "the nations." Rev 19:15

Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is THE SWORD that I am sending among them. (Jeremiah 25:15)


Bottoms up numbskull! The window is closed.

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No they didn't. They tried to frame a charge against him everywhere he went and almost every time he opened his mouth they got pissed off accused him of claiming to be God being out of his mind or possessed by a devil and wanted to stone him like you Jesus eaters whoever someone has the audacity to say the obvious. You all are out of YOUR minds.


Incorrect.

Unfortunately history (lack of knowledge of the times) likes to conflate the Pharisees with the Saduccees - it's easier that way.

What history is lacking is the truth - Jesus Christ - his Apostles - including Paul - were much closer to the Pharisees than any other religious sect at the time. In his most desperate times - it was the Pharisees that defended him and came to his aid - until they could not.

What history is lacking is that it has always been the Saduccess - the Jewish leaders who did not believe in miracles or life after death and were "in bed" with the Roman Empire. It was the Saduccees who finally accused and condemned Jesus - not the Pharisees.
 
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Bottoms up numbskull! The window is closed.

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I'll have a drink to celebrate the fact that even you - even for you - the window is never closed. Although the path and the way through the window can become difficult - there is always hope of salvation - redemption - for God - the only God to ever exist - allows his sun to shine over both the righteous and sinners alike - and his HOLYNESS is undeniable - meaning WHOLE.
 
So you "believe" that 5000 people followed Jesus into the desert to eat sandwiches not to learn what Jesus had to teach them even though thats what Jesus was concerned about?

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

He didn't say, "Damn. I only brought 5 fish sandwiches, how am I going to feed them all?"



So. Ahem. You win "the made up shit just to justify YOUR perversions" of the year award.

Congratulations!
You really don't know the story very well. That's okay, feel free to ask me and I can fill in the gaps for you. Let's start with the fact that the crowd was so eager to hear from Jesus that they went hungry instead of returning home, not as you so lamely tried to state, that they followed Him to get something to eat.

That's stupid and your perversion of Scripture is quite tiresome.
 
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