Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

That is false from the first 4 words. You absolutely are claiming that the creator can't control His creation, as Yeshua was there before creation, NOT Moses, and through Yeshua everything was created that was created

If Jesus said he was there at the creation of heaven and earth then he was saying that he was Moses in a former life because Moses was the only one there with my God when my God created heaven and earth by giving the Law as "a light to the nations" through Moses in the same way that he meant when he said that John the baptist was Elijah reincarnated.

Jesus said that he was "the light of the world" and came to bring "division" which is a direct reference to the creation story where light was spoken into existence creating division between day and night, clean and unclean, good and evil, life and death. Without Moses nothing was created that was created by the Law of my God being spoken into existence.

If "through Yeshua everything that was created was created" then Yeshua was once Moses.

For you to profess to "believe" that anyone, even Jesus, was present at the Big Bang or that the story of the creation of heaven and earth was about the Big Bang is just patently absurd.

That being said, Jesus and Moses would have seen trump as a talking serpent, the Nachash.

 

[hobelim]

The only way to explain away the miracles of the Christ is to go "Nuh-uh!" and pervert the plain meaning of Scripture, which you do.

Thats just plain dumb.

Every "miracle", giving sight to the blind, raising the dead, healing the sick, the paralyzed, the lame etc., are all easy metaphors to explain in a rational way that any 2nd grade child can grasp and conforms to REALITY without adding subtracting or changing a single word.
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To claim to believe that Jesus put spit and mud in a guys eyes and his vision was restored is beyond stupid. You have to leave out a lot of details provided to "just believe." in that crap.

 

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Thats just plain dumb.

Every "miracle", giving sight to the blind, raising the dead, healing the sick, the paralyzed, the lame etc., are all very easy metaphors to explain in a rational way that any 2nd grade child can easily grasp and conforms to reality without adding, subtracting, or changing a single word.

No they can't. Go ahead and try.

That's not how the gospels were written.

 

[hadit]

Piss off. you can believe that if you want but the truth is Jesus was as just as divine as anyone who has the spark of life within them. Jesus as the head of the mystical body of Christ is no more divine than the foot.

Like I've said before, you have to ignore Scripture to claim that.

 

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Like I've said before, you have to ignore Scripture to claim that.

He perverts scripture to rationalize his perversions.

 

[hobelim]

No they can't. Go ahead and try.

I have already done that. Are you blind? Deaf, dumb, dead? Or just a jackass? Would you like a rational explanation for the miracle of the loaves? Giving sight to the blind...again?

And even though you've been munching on Jesus flesh in the form of a handy snack food for decades someone is supposed to believe that you aren't under the condemnation of God?

You are dead as dead, blind as blind, deaf as deaf, and dumb as dumb can be for practicing idolatry, lying in the name of God, desecrating the WORDS, teachings, of Jesus, and murder.

 

[hadit]

If Jesus said he was there at the creation of heaven and earth then he was saying that he was Moses in a former life because Moses was the only one there with my God when my God created heaven and earth by giving the Law as "a light to the nations" through Moses in the same way that he meant when he said that John the baptist was Elijah reincarnated.

Jesus said that he was "the light of the world" and came to bring "division" which is a direct reference to the creation story where light was spoken into existence creating division between day and night, clean and unclean, good and evil, life and death. Without Moses nothing was created that was created by the Law of my God being spoken into existence.

If "through Yeshua everything that was created was created" then Yeshua was once Moses.

For you to profess to "believe" that anyone, even Jesus, was present at the Big Bang or that the story of the creation of heaven and earth was about the Big Bang is just patently absurd.

That being said, Jesus and Moses would have seen trump as a talking serpent, the Nachash.

There is no Scriptural backing for the claim that Moses was present at creation, none. You just made that up to deny Yeshua's divinity.

No, Scripture is clear, Jesus created all things that were created, which means He was not Himself created.

 

[hadit]

Thats just plain dumb.

Every "miracle", giving sight to the blind, raising the dead, healing the sick, the paralyzed, the lame etc., are all easy metaphors to explain in a rational way that any 2nd grade child can grasp and conforms to REALITY without adding subtracting or changing a single word.
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To claim to believe that Jesus put spit and mud in a guys eyes and his vision was restored is beyond stupid. You have to leave out a lot of details provided to "just believe." in that crap.

Then why do you insist on changing, adding and removing words?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

He perverts scripture to rationalize his perversions.

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The devil.

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[hobelim]

There is no Scriptural backing for the claim that Moses was present at creation, none.

Jesus saying he was there, present, at the creation was Jesus saying he was present at the creation of HEAVEN AND EARTH, when light, the Law, came into the world through Moses.

Do the math. No one else was with God on MT Sinai but Moses. Don't you believe Jesus?

The creation STORY is not and never was about about the creation of the material universe.

 

[ding]

I have already done that. Are you blind? Deaf, dumb, dead? Or just a jackass? Would you like a rational explanation for the miracle of the loaves? Giving sight to the blind...again?

And even though you've been munching on Jesus flesh in the form of a handy snack food for decades someone is supposed to believe that you aren't under the condemnation of God?

You are dead as dead, blind as blind, deaf as deaf, and dumb as dumb can be for practicing idolatry, lying in the name of God, desecrating the WORDS, teachings, of Jesus, and murder.

That's not how the gospels were written. Deal with it.

 

[hobelim]

The devil.

Bwahahaha!

 

[hobelim]

That's not how the gospels were written. Deal with it.

It feels like deja vu all over again but, OK.

I will show you what was hidden by the language used in the story of the miracle of the loaves.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was TEACHING . At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples that Jesus ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, the "uneaten pieces".

7 disciples became 12 and 5000 people were satisfied with his teaching. Ta da! A miracle! lol.

See? Nothing supernatural. No suspension of disbelief and no blind faith required. Satisfied?

I will now take a bow.

 

[ding]

It feels like deja vu all over again but, OK.

I will show you what was hidden by the language used in the story of the miracle of the loaves.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was TEACHING . At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples that Jesus ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, the "uneaten pieces".

7 disciples became 12 and 5000 people were satisfied with his teaching. Ta da! A miracle! lol.

See? Nothing supernatural. No suspension of disbelief and no blind faith required. Satisfied?

I will now take a bow.

I've never seen someone make up more shit just to justify their perversions.

 

[hadit]

Jesus saying he was there, present, at the creation was Jesus saying he was present at the creation of HEAVEN AND EARTH, when light, the Law, came into the world through Moses.

Do the math. No one else was with God on MT Sinai but Moses. Don't you believe Jesus?

The creation STORY is not and never was about about the creation of the material universe.

No one believes that except you.

 

[ding]

The creation STORY is not and never was about about the creation of the material universe.

You do realize God creating the universe is a core belief of all monotheistic religions, right?

Yes, the belief that a single, omnipotent God created the universe is a foundational, core tenet of major monotheistic religions, particularly Abrahamic faiths like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These traditions hold that God is not only the creator but also the sustainer and sovereign ruler of all existence.
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Key details regarding this belief include:

• Abrahamic Faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam explicitly define God as the creator of the heavens, earth, and humanity.
• Active Role: In these traditions, God is considered to be constantly sustaining the universe, not just a distant creator who left the universe to function on its own.
• Distinction from Other Views: While monotheism focuses on a single creator, this differs from pantheism (where God is the universe) or non-theistic traditions like Buddhism, which generally reject the concept of a creator deity.
• Definition of Monotheism: Monotheism is defined by the belief in one God who is the sole creator, sustainer, and judge of all creation.
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While some interpretations of God differ across cultures, the role of God as the architect of the cosmos remains a central pillar of monotheistic thought.

 

[hobelim]

You do realize God creating the universe is a core belief of all monotheistic religions, right?

So? One thing has nothing to do with the other. If the universe had a beginning, and all the evidence seems to indicate that it did, then only what what people think of as God could have been the cause and I agree with that.

That being said "the creation of heaven and earth" is not and never was about the Big Bang.

The fact that, according to Genesis, the earth and its waters were already there before light was SPOKEN into existence should have been a dead giveaway that the story is not about the beginning of the material universe, the solar system, the earth, or the first plants, animals, and human beings. Thats logic. But it is about something. What I said. The giving of the Law.

God comparing other people to ANIMALS in nature both in genesis with Adam naming the other tribes God also made, wild beasts, vultures, wolves, cattle, creepy things, etc., and in Kosher Law according to their behavior, wild beasts, sheep, goats, cattle, dogs, wolves, serpents, donkeys, dorks, swine that do not ruminate, worms, bottom feeders, creepy things that creep, TEEMING VERMIN THAT GO DOWN ON ALL FOURS, etc. All metaphors from angels to demons clean and unclean that reflect the heights and depths of human potential.




"And the Spirit of God HOVERED OVER THE WATERS and said, "Let there be light."" on this planet that was without shape or form (lawless) and void ( exceedingly pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

 

[ding]

So? One thing has nothing to do with the other. If the universe had a beginning, and all the evidence seems to indicate that it did, then only what what people think of as God could have been the cause and I agree with that.

Finally.

 

[Ace Nova]

That being said, Jesus and Moses would have seen trump as a talking serpent, the Nacha

If Jesus said he was there at the creation of heaven and earth then he was saying that he was Moses in a former life because Moses was the only one there with my God when my God created heaven and earth by giving the Law as "a light to the nations" through Moses in the same way that he meant when he said that John the baptist was Elijah reincarnated.

Jesus said that he was "the light of the world" and came to bring "division" which is a direct reference to the creation story where light was spoken into existence creating division between day and night, clean and unclean, good and evil, life and death. Without Moses nothing was created that was created by the Law of my God being spoken into existence.

If "through Yeshua everything that was created was created" then Yeshua was once Moses.

For you to profess to "believe" that anyone, even Jesus, was present at the Big Bang or that the story of the creation of heaven and earth was about the Big Bang is just patently absurd.

That being said, Jesus and Moses would have seen trump as a talking serpent, the Nachash.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

And believe it or not - wrong again.

No comment.



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Do better.

 

[hobelim]

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

And believe it or not - wrong again.

No comment.



0 for 5 or at best 1 for 5.


Do better.

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts." Isaiah 52:14

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it Mr Wrong, wrong, wrong, no comment. You might as well try to tell me to not "look up" cause you "believe" there is no sun in the sky.


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