Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

We call it the immaculate conception.

Yes, it was a miracle. That's why it was a big deal.

Jesus was already fully God. Jesus didn't become fully man until the incarnation.

Actually he said he was born into this world to testify to the truth.

That's not correct. The Trinity is the nature of God. It's the best our simple minds can do. The Trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it's a powerful relationship to be entered into.

I don't celebrate the death of Christ. I mourn the death of Christ and regret my culpability in his death. We all should as this leads to repentence. I celebrate his resurrection.

You don't have enough faith in God if you don't believe he can manifest himself in the eucharist. I don't have that problem. There is nothing more powerful than communion. It's how we share in Christ's suffering. I wouldn't expect someone who denied Jesus to understand.

Yes, and drink his blood too. Don't forget that. My religious beliefs shouldn't offend you this much.

Not at all. It's a beautiful love story. God seeking man. You mock what you don't understand. Ignorance is often times insolent.

Yeah, I got that from the other 10,000 posts you made. But I disagree that you don't hate. You are filled with hate and it is consuming you.

I can do all things through Christ who stengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken from me. I can only give it away and I don't intend on doing that because...

The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. In green pastures he makes me lie down; to still waters he leads me; he restores my soul. He guides me along right paths for the sake of his name. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff comfort me. You set a table before me in front of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me all the days of my life; I will dwell in the house of the LORD for endless days.

Alrighty then. Sounds very delusional as if you are drowning in deception. Have fun with that!

Not to worry!

I'm sure you have enough faith to cling to that religious flotsam for the rest of your days. And the rest of your days in hell won't be much worse than being in hell has always been ever since you got down on your knees, decades ago, in the deranged adoration of a matzo that you worship and eat for spiritual life, died, and descended into Sheol, the realm of the dead.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

We call it the immaculate conception.

Yes, it was a miracle. That's why it was a big deal.

Jesus was already fully God. Jesus didn't become fully man until the incarnation.

Actually he said he was born into this world to testify to the truth.

That's not correct. The Trinity is the nature of God. It's the best our simple minds can do. The Trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it's a powerful relationship to be entered into.

I don't celebrate the death of Christ. I mourn the death of Christ and regret my culpability in his death. We all should as this leads to repentence. I celebrate his resurrection.

You don't have enough faith in God if you don't believe he can manifest himself in the eucharist. I don't have that problem. There is nothing more powerful than communion. It's how we share in Christ's suffering. I wouldn't expect someone who denied Jesus to understand.

Yes, and drink his blood too. Don't forget that. My religious beliefs shouldn't offend you this much.

Not at all. It's a beautiful love story. God seeking man. You mock what you don't understand. Ignorance is often times insolent.

Yeah, I got that from the other 10,000 posts you made. But I disagree that you don't hate. You are filled with hate and it is consuming you.

I can do all things through Christ who stengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken from me. I can only give it away and I don't intend on doing that because...

The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. In green pastures he makes me lie down; to still waters he leads me; he restores my soul. He guides me along right paths for the sake of his name. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff comfort me. You set a table before me in front of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me all the days of my life; I will dwell in the house of the LORD for endless days.

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St. Patrick tried for so long to try to teach the Irish the nature of the Holy Trinity, until one day when he looked down and plucked a clover/shamrock! Then they got it! One plant, three leaves. Perfect!

We have a beautiful stained glass representation of St. Patrick in my church and his lesson will always be in my heart!

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[hobelim]

St. Patrick tried for so long to try to teach the Irish the nature of the Holy Trinity, until one day when he looked down and plucked a clover/shamrock! Then they got it! One plant, three leaves. Perfect!

If he picked up a pot leaf would you be worshiping one God in seven leaves? Anyway, who doesn't love a maudlin bullshit story? God became a baby boy! Aside from me that is.

 

[ding]

Alrighty then. Sounds very delusional as if you are drowning in deception. Have fun with that!

What else could you say? Especially since you don't believe in God.

Not to worry!

Why should I worry? All of heaven is cheering me on. They are cheering you on too. They don't want you to be consumed by your hate.

The rest of your days in hell won't be much worse than your time in hell has always been.

The kingdom of heaven is now. It's not some future destination. I'm in heaven now. That you don't believe your bitterness and hatred proves you are in hell now is beyond me.

 

[hobelim]

The kingdom of heaven is now. It's not some future destination. I'm in heaven now.

Thats absurd. Idolators, sorcerers, and murderers will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

And YOU are all thee in one! Just like a three leaf clover, a shamrock!

 

[ding]

If he picked up a pot leaf would you be worshiping one God in seven leaves? Anyway, who doesn't love a maudlin bullshit story? God became a baby boy! Aside from me that is.

Other people's religious beliefs shouldn't upset you this much.

 

[ding]

Thats absurd. Idolators, sorcerers, and murderers will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

And YOU are all thee in one! Just like a three leaf clover, a shamrock!

It's fitting that you mock me. They mocked Jesus too. But to your point everyone is welcome. In the passage below you are the criminal mocking Jesus and I am the criminal defending Jesus.

When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him and the criminals there, one on his right, the other on his left. Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.” They divided his garments by casting lots.
The people stood by and watched; the rulers, meanwhile, sneered at him and said, “He saved others, let him save himself if he is the chosen one, the Messiah of God.” Even the soldiers jeered at him. As they approached to offer him wine they called out, “If you are King of the Jews, save yourself.” Above him there was an inscription that read, “This is the King of the Jews.” Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.” The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, “Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation? And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

 

[hadit]

With that type of crowd in your head how can you hear yourself think? Oh, yeah, you can't.

Here's the beauty of it all. We speak with one voice when we proclaim that Jesus is Lord (you do know that you will bow before Him and confess He is Lord, right?). You, OTOH, speak only with your voice, pointlessly, as you vainly attempt to redefine every Word God speaks to fit your crafted narrative.

You are just another discordant noise in the cacophony of hell afraid to use the mind my God gave you to think for yourself like an individual with real FAITH in Jesus, a Jewish man, not a mangod, and a love for TRUTH that reflects the image and likeness of a holy (separate) God.

I don't place saving faith in any mere mortal man, that would be foolish. Do you?

How did 'they' trap your mind? By telling you any rational question or valid objection to the crap they force fed you as a child was a demonic attack on your faith by an invisible entity?

On the contrary, I was taught to search the Scriptures for myself, to question the voices I hear, as I have done with yours and yours is found woefully lacking and downright ridiculous.

Sucker.

Yet I am very impressed by the wonderful things your religious beliefs have done for you.

I am one as God is one. You are billions just like a putrid self negating multiplicity is billions.

We! We! Whee!

Whoa! Very impressive!

You really want me to think of you as special, holy, set apart for God's service, don't you? Yet here you are, desperately attempting to fling juvenile insults as if they are significant, something Yeshua would never do. You're not a very good reflection of Him, are you?

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”)
16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Here's where you desperately attempt to redefine all the words to mean the opposite of what they say, and failing that, denigrate the apostles who wrote them as being ignorant whereas you have received special word from God that He didn't mean what He said.

 

[hobelim]

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

"The WORD became flesh" just means that the preexisting metaphor for the WORD of God was manna, bread from heaven, that became the "flesh" of Jesus, a new more satisfying revelation and metaphor for the WORD of God. So try to remember that every time Jesus said something that seemed liked he was claiming to be God he had already said it was the Spirit of God speaking through him, and God instructed him what to say and how to say it.

 

[hadit]

"The WORD became flesh" just means that the preexisting metaphor for the WORD of God was manna, bread from heaven, that became the "flesh" of Jesus, a new metaphor for a more satisfying revelation for the WORD of God. So try to remember that every time Jesus said something that seemed liked he was claiming to be God he had already said it was the Spirit of God speaking through him, and that God instructed him what to say and how to say it.

This is exactly what I meant. You have to redefine, add, remove and claim the Word doesn't mean what it says to fit your narrative.

The Word, who was with God and who was God who created all things, became human flesh. It's very simple and requires no perversion whatsoever.

 

[ding]

"The WORD became flesh" just means that the preexisting metaphor for the WORD of God was manna, bread from heaven, that became the "flesh" of Jesus, a new more satisfying revelation and metaphor for the WORD of God. So try to remember that every time Jesus said something that seemed liked he was claiming to be God he had already said it was the Spirit of God speaking through him, and God instructed him what to say and how to say it.

So when he accepted worship from his disciples that was what?

And when he refused the Pharisee's order to rebuke his disciples for worshipping him that was what?

 

[ding]

This is exactly what I meant. You have to redefine, add, remove and claim the Word doesn't mean what it says to fit your narrative.

The Word, who was with God and who was God who created all things, became human flesh. It's very simple and requires no perversion whatsoever.

I have no idea how he reconciles the fact that Jesus was worshipped as God after Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[hobelim]

This is exactly what I meant. You have to redefine, add, remove and claim the Word doesn't mean what it says to fit your narrative.

No,

The intelligent person would apply their mind to decipher the OBVIOUS metaphors to understand the teaching. Thats how the flesh of Jesus is eaten. Devoured by the ear and digested by comprehending. Thats not my narrative. Thats what the story is really teaching.

You are the perfect example of a person who set aside Divine instruction and lost your way.

 

[ding]

No,

The intelligent person would apply their mind to decipher the OBVIOUS metaphors to understand the teaching. Thats how the flesh of Jesus is eaten. Devoured by the ear and digested by comprehending. Thats not my narrative. Thats what the story is really teaching.

So why was Jesus worshipped as God by the apostles after he rose from the dead?

Yes, the apostles and followers of Jesus worshipped him as divine after his resurrection, marking a pivotal shift in their understanding of his identity. Biblical accounts show disciples falling at his feet in worship upon seeing the risen Christ, with Thomas declaring him "My Lord and my God".

Key details regarding the worship of Jesus post-resurrection:

• Direct Worship: In Matthew 28:9 and Matthew 28:17, the disciples worshiped Jesus when they saw him after he rose, a response to his victory over death.
• Theological Significance: Scholars generally agree that the post-resurrection experiences were the catalyst for the early church to worship Jesus as divine and to recognize him as part of the identity of the God of Israel.
• Divine Recognition: The disciples recognized Jesus as possessing the authority of God, particularly in scenes where he was worshipped and did not rebuke them for it.
• "My Lord and my God": In John 20:28, Thomas explicitly addresses the risen Jesus as God.
• Acts 10:25–26 & Revelation 19:9–10: While in other parts of the Bible angels or men refuse to be worshipped, Jesus accepts this worship, indicating his divine status.
  

 

[ding]

Thats how the flesh of Jesus is eaten.

You aren't the first person to be shocked by that command. He lost many disciples over that command. Apparently they couldn't understand how his body and blood could look like bread and wine and still be his body and blood anymore than you can understand it. But after all he is God and nothing is impossible for God, right?

 

[ding]

No,

The intelligent person would apply their mind to decipher the OBVIOUS metaphors to understand the teaching. Thats how the flesh of Jesus is eaten. Devoured by the ear and digested by comprehending. Thats not my narrative. Thats what the story is really teaching.

You are the perfect example of a person who set aside Divine instruction and lost your way.

You should quote some more verses to support what you are saying.

 

[hobelim]

So why was Jesus worshipped as God by the apostles after he rose from the dead?

He wasn't. They were, first of all, Jewish. Maybe superstitious Pagans who never took the time to understand Jewish writings worshipped Jesus as God but so what. Some people worshipped the sun, the stars, the moon, other humans, or even trees or nature itself..

One thing you will think of next time you go to mass is if according to scripture it is wrong, A SIN, to worship the sun, stars, the moon, another human, or even trees, what God has made, how much more wrong is it to worship what was made by HUMAN HANDS.

 

[ding]

He wasn't. They were, first of all, Jewish. Maybe superstitious Pagans who never took the time to understand Jewish writings worshipped Jesus as God but so what. Some people worshipped the sun, the stars, the moon or even trees.

One thing you will think of next time you go to mass is if according to scripture it is wrong to worship the sun, stars, the moon, another human, or even trees, what God has made, how much more wrong is it to worship what was made by human hands.

Of course he was. He rose from the dead, controlled nature, changed matter, healed diseases and deformities. That's why his apostles worshipped him as God after he rose from the dead.

Was that all made up?

 

[hobelim]

Of course he was. He rose from the dead, controlled nature, changed matter, healed diseases and deformities. That's why his apostyles worshipped him after he rose from the dead.

Was that all made up?

No. Rising from the dead has nothing to do with the body, calming the storm has nothing to do with controlling the weather, and healing the crippled or deformed has nothing to do with healing diseases unless you understand that the diseases he healed are of the mind. Rising from the dead, calming the storm, and healing diseases, etc, are all metaphors for hidden subjects that are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

Its a Jewish tradition.

 

[BreezeWood]

I don't think so but appariently that's what you believe.

or is that from the spoken journals of the 1st century events brought back to life as throughout the centuries despite the desert religions and their autocratic oppression.

too bad for you ...