Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

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or is that from the spoken journals of the 1st century events brought back to life as throughout the centuries despite the desert religions and their autocratic oppression.

 

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Why?

So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim with a flaming and flashing SWORD, that turns in every direction, to guard the WAY to the tree of life."

The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN."

If it is his WORDS that are both Spirit and life then how can you fail to see what is important?

Eating his flesh, his teaching, that he received from my God like manna, bread from heaven.

That doesn't address the question at all.

Why were the accounts about the miracle instead of the teaching if the teaching was the most important part as you are claiming? Why make it about the miracles instead? Is it because the miracles were the point of the account?

 

[hobelim]

That doesn't address the question at all.

Why were the accounts about the miracle instead of the teaching if the teaching was the most important part as you are claiming? Why make it about the miracles instead? Is it because the miracles were the point of the account?

I already told you.

If I said it again would it matter? Would you have the faith to admit you're being an asshole?

 

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I already told you.

If I said it again would it matter? Would you have the faith to admit you've been an asshole?

No, you perverted the truth.

Based on the New Testament accounts, the primary goal of recording Jesus' miracles was not to hide information from authorities, but rather to reveal his identity as the Messiah, demonstrate compassion, and build faith among believers. While Jesus occasionally commanded people to keep his miracles quiet—often referred to as the "Messianic Secret"—this was generally to prevent misunderstanding of his mission, avoid premature conflict, or control the crowds.

Here is a detailed breakdown of the purposes of miracle accounts:

• To Validate and Reveal: Miracles served as "signs" or "credentials" to authenticate Jesus’s message and his identity as the Son of God. They were intended to convince readers to believe in him.
• To Show Compassion: Many miracles were performed to alleviate human suffering, such as healing the sick and feeding the hungry, showcasing God's love.
• The "Messianic Secret": Jesus sometimes instructed witnesses to remain silent about miracles to prevent the crowds from misinterpreting his mission as a purely political or military revolution. This helped control the timing of his public revelation, ensuring he could fulfill his mission on his own terms.
• Evidential Value: Contrary to being hidden, these miracles were often performed in public and were intended to be evidence that could be verified.
• Post-Resurrection Proclamation: While some miracles were to be kept quiet during his life, the overall purpose of the Gospel records was to make these events known to foster faith.

In short, the miracles were generally intended to be seen and reported to advance the Gospel message, with temporary, tactical silence used only to manage the immediate impact of his ministry on public and authority perceptions.

 

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If I said it again would it matter? Would you have the faith to admit you're being an asshole?

Yes, it would matter. The more you pervert the truth, the more people see through your perversions.

 

[hobelim]

I already told you.

If I said it again would it matter? Would you have the faith to admit you're being an asshole?

No,

Thats what I thought.

 

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Thats what I thought.

Yet another perversion of truth.

 

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Thats what I thought.

Tell me again how God condones men having anal sex with other men?

 

[hobelim]

Yes, it would matter. The more you pervert the truth, the more people see through your perversions.

Awesome!

I am delighted that it seems that way to you! But, I assure you, it only seems that way.

 

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Awesome!

I am delighted that it seems that way to you! But, I assure you, it only seems that way.

It seems like you are perverting truth because you are perverting truth.

 

[hobelim]

Tell me again how God condones men having anal sex with other men?

Tell me why are you so obsessed with gay sex? To divert attention away from your idolatry?

It isn't working.

Do you even have an inkling how reprehensible that is? But I guess it wouldn't matter to you who has no problem throwing Jesus under the bus in a vain attempt to save your own ass.

 

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Tell me why are you so obsessed with homosexual sex? To divert attention away from your idolatry?

It isn't working.

I'm not. I'm obsessed with your denial of the plain language of Leviticus 18:22.

I use it to show how you pervert the truth.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not. I'm obsessed with your denial of the plain language of Leviticus 18:22.

I use it to show how you pervert the truth.

I personally think you are a closet homosexual overcompensating, pretending to be macho.

Not that there's anything wrong with that except in your defiled and contaminated mind tormented by self loathing from perpetual pretense after a devil filled your head with lies.

Don't be afraid to be yourself. There is no shame in that. But pretending to not be gay by denigrating homosexuals is extremely shameful not to mention extremely reprehensible.

But I guess it doesn't matter to you who has no problem throwing Jesus, your beloved edible mangod and savior, under the bus in a vain attempt to save your own ass.

 

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How many of you are there?

The billions throughout history who read Scripture as it is written without perverting it to fit a preconceived narrative that attempts to deny Jesus' authority.

 

[hobelim]

The billions throughout history who read Scripture as it is written without perverting it to fit a preconceived narrative that attempts to deny Jesus' authority.

With that type of crowd in your head how can you hear yourself think? Oh, yeah, you can't.

You are just another discordant noise in the cacophony of hell afraid to use the mind my God gave you to think for yourself like an individual with real FAITH in Jesus, a Jewish man, not a mangod, and a love for TRUTH that reflects the image and likeness of a holy (separate) God.

How did 'they' trap your mind? By telling you any rational question or valid objection to the crap they force fed you as a child was a demonic attack on your faith by an invisible entity?

Sucker.

Yet I am very impressed by the wonderful things your religious beliefs have done for you.

I am one as God is one. You are billions just like a putrid self negating multiplicity is billions.

We! We! Whee!

Whoa! Very impressive!

 

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I personally think you are a closet homosexual overcompensating, pretending to be macho.

Not that there's anything wrong with that except in your defiled and contaminated mind tormented by self loathing from perpetual pretense after a devil filled your head with lies.

Don't be afraid to be yourself. There is no shame in that. But pretending to not be gay by denigrating homosexuals is extremely shameful not to mention extremely reprehensible.

The only thing I care what you believe about me is that you believe I will always be there to correct your perversions of the truth. Do you believe that?

But I guess it doesn't matter to you who has no problem throwing Jesus, your beloved edible mangod and savior, under the bus in a vain attempt to save your own ass.

That's where you are wrong. I don't love God (i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit) for what they can do for me. I love God for who God is. You hate God. You're a fake. You're a joke. This is a game to you.

 

[hobelim]

That's where you are wrong. I don't love God (i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit) for what they can do for me. I love God for who God is.

If you believe in a trinity that impregnated a virgin miraculously without a human father to become fully God and fully human only to be made a perfect human sacrifice, a Jewish man, The Messiah, to a Roman trinity on the Mithran cross, so believers who celebrate his death and eat him can sin with impunity for life then you believe in a figment of a fourth century Romans sardonic imagination. You've never seen and don't know neither God nor Jesus.

You believe you can eat The Body of Christ, take a crap, and then flush it down the toilet.

How fucked up is that!

You hate God. You're a fake. You're a joke. This is a game to you.

Well to be honest I despise your reprehensible beliefs but I can't hate your God or anything that doesn't exist. I don't even hate you. But if it makes you feel better about the trap you're in believe whatever you want however false and irrational. That should be extremely easy.

You already do.

 

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If you believe in a trinity that impregnated a virgin...

We call it the immaculate conception.

miraculously without a human father...

Yes, it was a miracle. That's why it was a big deal.

to become fully God and fully human

Jesus was already fully God. Jesus didn't become fully man until the incarnation.

only to become a perfect human sacrifice, a Jewish man, The Messiah,

Actually he said he was born into this world to testify to the truth.

to a Roman trinity on the Mithran cross,

That's not correct. The Trinity is the nature of God. It's the best our simple minds can do. The Trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it's a powerful relationship to be entered into.

so believers who celebrate his death

I don't celebrate the death of Christ. I mourn the death of Christ and regret my culpability in his death. We all should as this leads to repentence. I celebrate his resurrection.

and eat him can sin with impunity for life then you believe in a figment of a fourth century Romans sardonic imagination. You've never seen and don't know neither God nor Jesus.

You don't have enough faith in God if you don't believe he can manifest himself in the eucharist. I don't have that problem. There is nothing more powerful than communion. It's how we share in Christ's suffering. I wouldn't expect someone who denied Jesus to understand.

You believe you can eat The Body of Christ, take a crap, and then flush it down the toilet.

Yes, and drink his blood too. Don't forget that. My religious beliefs shouldn't offend you this much.

How fucked up is that!

Not at all. It's a beautiful love story. God seeking man. You mock what you don't understand. Ignorance is often times insolent.

Well to be honest I despise your reprehensible beliefs but I can't hate your God or anything that doesn't exist. I don't even hate you. But if it makes you feel better about the trap you're in believe whatever you want however false and irrational. That should be extremely easy.

Yeah, I got that from the other 10,000 posts you made. But I disagree that you don't hate. You are filled with hate and it is consuming you.

You already do.

I can do all things through Christ who stengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken from me. I can only give it away and I don't intend on doing that because...

The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. In green pastures he makes me lie down; to still waters he leads me; he restores my soul. He guides me along right paths for the sake of his name. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff comfort me. You set a table before me in front of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me all the days of my life; I will dwell in the house of the LORD for endless days.

 

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The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. In green pastures he makes me lie down; to still waters he leads me; he restores my soul. He guides me along right paths for the sake of his name. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff comfort me. You set a table before me in front of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me all the days of my life; I will dwell in the house of the LORD for endless days.

hobelim you will never say these words because you are a fake. You're just playing a sick game.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

We call it the immaculate conception.

Yes, it was a miracle. That's why it was a big deal.

Jesus was already fully God. Jesus didn't become fully man until the incarnation.

Actually he said he was born into this world to testify to the truth.

That's not correct. The Trinity is the nature of God. It's the best our simple minds can do. The Trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it's a powerful relationship to be entered into.

I don't celebrate the death of Christ. I mourn the death of Christ and regret my culpability in his death. We all should as this leads to repentence. I celebrate his resurrection.

You don't have enough faith in God if you don't believe he can manifest himself in the eucharist. I don't have that problem. There is nothing more powerful than communion. It's how we share in Christ's suffering. I wouldn't expect someone who denied Jesus to understand.

Yes, and drink his blood too. Don't forget that. My religious beliefs shouldn't offend you this much.

Not at all. It's a beautiful love story. God seeking man. You mock what you don't understand. Ignorance is often times insolent.

Yeah, I got that from the other 10,000 posts you made. But I disagree that you don't hate. You are filled with hate and it is consuming you.

I can do all things through Christ who stengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken from me. I can only give it away and I don't intend on doing that because...

The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. In green pastures he makes me lie down; to still waters he leads me; he restores my soul. He guides me along right paths for the sake of his name. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff comfort me. You set a table before me in front of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me all the days of my life; I will dwell in the house of the LORD for endless days.

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Thank you so much! That was a beautiful expression of everything I believe!

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