Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,

Right. That infernal curse in a cup of wine. Smite the nations, etc., remember?

But it is important to note that when Jesus was praying at Gethsemane, a stones throw away from the "sleeping disciples", he asked my God "for this cup to pass him by". You have been told that this was Jesus being afraid of death but I am telling you that it shows that Jesus did not want to curse, SMITE, the nations, but relented. "Thy will be done" and all that jazz.

Don't think about who heard what Jesus was silently praying to my God about clear enough to write it down when the only other people there were sleeping a stones throw away.

That should be easy for you.

 

[hobelim]

Who heard? The Holy Spirit heard, that's obvious to any scholar of Scripture. You didn't even read the Word, did you?

Copra sanctum! That obviously funny.

Doesn't anyone love you enough to say, "STFU up stupid"? Anyway it has become extremely clear that when someone like you sells or loses their soul, dies, and descends into Gehenna, HELL, there is no going back without a miracle tantamount to rising from the accursed dead.

Whatever you do many will now believe in Divine condemnation thanks to you, even Atheists.

 

[hobelim]

Out of curiosity, I've never seen you mention John the Baptist - who baptized Jesus. What is your understanding of John the Baptist?

OK. About John the Baptist. Jesus submitted to baptism of John "as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins." True?

Pop quiz!

Why would Jesus submit to baptism "for the forgiveness of sins" unless he had sinned?

Take your time...

Thats being said, like when Jesus said that he was there at the creation of heaven and earth implying he was Moses in a former existence because only Moses was on mount Sinai when my God created heaven and earth by giving the Law, Jesus said that John was once Elijah.

Apparently Jesus and John were both bohdisatvas.

 

[Ace Nova]

OK. About John the Baptist. Jesus submitted to baptism of John "as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins." True?

Pop quiz!

Why would Jesus submit to baptism "for the forgiveness of sins" unless he had sinned?

Take your time...

Thats being said, like when Jesus said that he was there at the creation of heaven and earth implying he was Moses in a former existence because only Moses was on mount Sinai when my God created heaven and earth by giving the Law, Jesus said that John was once Elijah.

Apparently Jesus and John were both bohdisatvas.

Matthew​

Matthew's account is unique in several respects: He asserts that Jesus left Galilee for the purpose of being baptized by John (πρὸς τὸν Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑπ’ αὐτοῦ). He includes a conversation between John and Jesus: In v. 14, John said: "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" Nevertheless, Jesus convinces John to baptize him "to fulfill all righteousness" (Matthew records that the voice from heaven says "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased",

Mark​

Mark's account is roughly parallel to that of Matthew, except for Matthew 3:14–15, which describes John's initial reluctance and eventual consent to baptize Jesus, which is not described by Mark. Mark uses an unusual word for the opening of the heavens, σχιζομένους, schizomenous, which means "tearing" or "ripping" (Mark 1:10). It forms a verbal thread (Leitwortstil) with the rending (ἐσχίσθη, eschisthē) of the Temple veil in Mark 15:38, inviting comparison between the two episodes.



Justus Knecht answers the question of why Jesus let himself be baptized by John:

1. He did not require to do penance, because He was without sin; but He had taken our sins upon Him to atone for them; therefore He humbled Himself, placed Himself on a level with sinners, and obediently subjected Himself to be baptized, as He had submitted before to be circumcised, and presented in the Temple. 2. He gave us thereby a lesson in humility and obedience, and has taught us that we too must fulfil all justice, i. e. promptly obey all the ordinances of God. 3. By His baptism He sanctified water, and gave to it the power of purifying and sanctifying the soul of man. In other words, He instituted the Sacrament of Baptism by which, under the outward sign of water, we receive remission of our sins.

Baptism of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The way I understand it - Jesus' mind, body and spirit involved thoughts and actions driven by a higher understanding - although Jesus was well aware that he "was without sin" spiritually - he would humble himself so that he would "fulfill all righteousness" by being baptized under "The ministry of baptism of John" - this "put a tear" within the heavens - God's Spirit descended unto Jesus - for "Spiritual Righteousness humbled itself (took the higher road) so that physical righteousness could be fulfilled" - ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

 

[hobelim]

Matthew​

Matthew's account is unique in several respects: He asserts that Jesus left Galilee for the purpose of being baptized by John (πρὸς τὸν Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑπ’ αὐτοῦ). He includes a conversation between John and Jesus: In v. 14, John said: "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" Nevertheless, Jesus convinces John to baptize him "to fulfill all righteousness" (Matthew records that the voice from heaven says "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased",

Mark​

Mark's account is roughly parallel to that of Matthew, except for Matthew 3:14–15, which describes John's initial reluctance and eventual consent to baptize Jesus, which is not described by Mark. Mark uses an unusual word for the opening of the heavens, σχιζομένους, schizomenous, which means "tearing" or "ripping" (Mark 1:10). It forms a verbal thread (Leitwortstil) with the rending (ἐσχίσθη, eschisthē) of the Temple veil in Mark 15:38, inviting comparison between the two episodes.



Justus Knecht answers the question of why Jesus let himself be baptized by John:

Baptism of Jesus - Wikipedia​

en.wikipedia.org

The way I understand it - Jesus' mind, body and spirit involved thoughts and actions driven by a higher understanding - although Jesus was well aware that he "was without sin" spiritually - he would humble himself so that he would "fulfill all righteousness" by being baptized under "The ministry of baptism of John" - this "put a tear" within the heavens - God's Spirit descended unto Jesus - for "Spiritual Righteousness humbled itself (took the higher road) so that physical righteousness could be fulfilled" - ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
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You could have just said ,"I don't know". If you want to know the very truth then just ask.

BTW, AI failed the pop quiz. Apparently artificial intelligence isn't very intelligent. Cheater.

 

[hadit]

Copra sanctum! That obviously funny.

Doesn't anyone love you enough to say, "STFU up stupid"? Anyway it has become extremely clear that when someone like you sells or loses their soul, dies, and descends into Gehenna, HELL, there is no going back without a miracle tantamount to rising from the accursed dead.

Whatever you do many will now believe in Divine condemnation thanks to you, even Atheists.

I have already risen to new life in Christ Jesus, as I have already told you.

And have you figure out yet if it was 2,000 years or 7 1/2?

 

[hobelim]

I have already risen to new life in Christ Jesus, as I have already told you.

I hate to break the news to you but even after all this time on earth you've failed to become a "living being" so enjoy your fantasy world. You deserve it. Don't let reality get in your way!

 

[hadit]

I hate to break the news to you but even after all this time on earth you've failed to become a "living being" so enjoy your fantasy world. You deserve it. Don't let reality get in your way!

Oh, that's where you're getting your spiritual knowledge? Figures.

 

[Ace Nova]

You could have just said ,"I don't know". If you want to know the very truth then just ask.

BTW, AI failed the pop quiz. Apparently artificial intelligence isn't very intelligent. Cheater.

I referenced biblical scholars and a Catholic Bishop in the first part of my post - not AI.

 

[luiza]

Would Jesus support Donald Trump​

Has anybody yet conclusively shown whether or not Trumpfy's soul is that of Jesus the Essene Monk ?

Both make the same type of unreal promises and both seem to be serial failures .

Hands up those who believe that Trumpfy is either the reincarnation of the Essene Monk or his cousin John .

Or , as it is Trumpfy --- that he is both simultaneously .

 

[hadit]

I referenced biblical scholars and a Catholic Bishop in the first part of my post - not AI.

You're wandering down a long and bizarre path with that one. Alice would look at it and go, "No way am I going down there".

 

[hadit]

Would Jesus support Donald Trump​

Has anybody yet conclusively shown whether or not Trumpfy's soul is that of Jesus the Essene Monk ?

Both make the same type of unreal promises and both seem to be serial failures .

Hands up those who believe that Trumpfy is either the reincarnation of the Essene Monk or his cousin John .

Or , as it is Trumpfy --- that he is both simultaneously .

The answer is simple, God ordains the leaders we have for His own purposes. He ordained King David, who murdered a man and took his wife. He ordained Saul, who turned his back on God. The point is moot whether He would approve of TRUMP! or not, or approve of Quid Pro Joe, or Obama, aka The Fragile One. The point is, He put them all in office, and if we don't like them, we should ask ourselves why God thought it right to put them there?

 

[Ace Nova]

You're wandering down a long and bizarre path with that one. Alice would look at it and go, "No way am I going down there".

Who's Alice? lol

These posts are akin to "Biblical study" sessions for me - for the most part, the questions I ask and the interpretations/meanings I post about are the way I truly understand them.

That said - I dare not claim that my own wisdom and knowledge is higher than the source - so I am open to conversations about anything I post.

 

[luiza]

The answer is simple, God ordains the leaders we have for His own purposes. He ordained King David, who murdered a man and took his wife. He ordained Saul, who turned his back on God. The point is moot whether He would approve of TRUMP! or not, or approve of Quid Pro Joe, or Obama, aka The Fragile One. The point is, He put them all in office, and if we don't like them, we should ask ourselves why God thought it right to put them there?

You do not have to try and explain your Mumbo Jumbo beliefs as though you are looking for converts .

We all know the script which is why we chuckle at you when you take yourselves so seriously .

Your gobbledygook is bad enough but also finding that you have no sense of humour is a Clincher .

Tremendous Trumpfy like entertainment

 

[hadit]

Who's Alice? lol

These posts are akin to "Biblical study" sessions for me - for the most part, the questions I ask and the interpretations/meanings I post about are the way I truly understand them.

That said - I dare not claim that my own wisdom and knowledge is higher than the source - so I am open to conversations about anything I post.

From the story, "Alice in Wonderland", the idea being that a discussion with that poster is more bizarre than what she encountered. Magic mushrooms, talking animals, a disappearing cat, a mad hatter, etc. are nothing compared to that.

 

[hadit]

You do not have to try and explain your Mumbo Jumbo beliefs as though you are looking for converts .

We all know the script which is why we chuckle at you when you take yourselves so seriously .

Your gobbledygook is bad enough but also finding that you have no sense of humour is a Clincher .

Tremendous Trumpfy like entertainment

I find it amusing that those who hate TRUMP! love to pretend they can speak for him.

 

[hobelim]

I find it amusing that those who hate TRUMP! love to pretend they can speak for him.

What I find fascinating is that those who love trump openly admit he is speaking for them. Crude crass and as classless as the vile tripe that comes out of his mouth is reprehensible.

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. But, oh yeah, y'all live in a fantasy world. My bad!

 

[hadit]

What I find fascinating is that those who love trump openly admit he is speaking for them. Crude crass and as classless as the vile tripe that comes out of his mouth is reprehensible.

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. But, oh yeah, y'all live in a fantasy world. My bad!

Who does that?

 

[hobelim]

Who does that?

Does what?

 

[hobelim]

Who's Alice? lol

said the Jabberwocky as its head goes rolling down the hill, decapitated by the vorpel sword.

UNAWARE