Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

Then why do observant Jews refuse to eat pork and shellfish?

because when all the elders who held "the keys to the secrets to the kingdom of heaven" were killed all that was left for the enemy were stories no one could understand without those keys.

 

[hobelim]

Are you claiming that they too are totally ignorant about the Law

Well, yes, until now. And you forgot to include Muslims Christians, Atheists, scholars, teachers, agnostics, etc., who think the subject of Kosher law is food. Try to grasp this;

One cannot comply with the literal interpretation and application of the law that prohibits eating the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because "the teaching" that the subject of kosher law is about food is "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

so they would all be cast away from Him for eternity?

No, that would be your false mangod, the Antichrist

 

[hadit]

So. Here english is spoken.

You changed the meaning of the text. Bad form there.

 

[hadit]

I said nothing about communion.

Sure you did.

 

[hadit]

because when all the elders who held "the secrets to the kingdom of heaven" were killed all that was left for the enemy were stories no one could understand without those keys.

Bull. More "" from you, less coherence.

 

[hadit]

well, yes, until now. And you forgot to include muslims. Try to grasp this;

Muslims don't revere the Mosaic Law. Try again.

One cannot comply with the literal interpretation and application of the law that prohibits eating the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because "the teaching" that the subject of kosher law is about food is "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

Says no one.

No, that would be your false mangod, the Antichrist

And there you go again, saying the Christ is actually anti-Christ.

 

[hobelim]

and only you have the brand new super-secret interpretation that God carefully hid from all mankind for thousands of years

No, don't be silly. Its nothing new. its the same exact WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the law that was lost to time after his death until 1000 years later Jesus came and renewed the Law by teaching the exact same WAY that Moses taught to follow the law that was also lost to time when Rome assimilated and perverted his teaching, burying "his flesh" under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your church sits like a dragon. Now 2000 years later I just revealed what was lost to time for a time, times, and half a time.

If you want proof that there was secret teaching being withheld at the time of Jesus from other Jewish people by a very few religious elite, I will be happy to provide that once again.

So, by judging your responses anyone with half a brain can conclude with 100% certainty that my God has denied you comprehension because you have been a very naughty boy.

 

[hadit]

No, don't be silly. Its nothing new. its the same exact WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the law that was lost to time after his death

About which you have no means to understand. Moses gave the Law as it was written and the Israelis followed it the best they could.

until 1000 years later Jesus came and renewed the Law by teaching the exact same WAY that Moses taught to follow the law that was also lost to time when Rome assimilated and perverted his teaching, burying "his flesh" under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your church sits like a dragon.

My church? You don't know what my church is. Once again you run straight to Catholicism without even a basic understanding.

Now 2000 years later I just revealed what was lost to time for a time, times, and half a time.

Which is it, 2000 years or 7 1/2 years? You do realize, don't you, that now you're just throwing words out there, hoping one of them will stick?

If you want proof that there was secret teaching being withheld at the time of Jesus from other Jewish people by a very few religious elite, I will be happy to provide that once again.

Of course, there was secret teaching that was revealed by the Holy Spirit after Jesus ascended. That's nothing new. The way God commands us to live, however, was most certainly NOT hidden.

 

[hobelim]

About which you have no means to understand. Moses gave the Law as it was written and the Israelis followed it the best they could.

My church? You don't know what my church is. Once again you run straight to Catholicism without even a basic understanding.

Which is it, 2000 years or 7 1/2 years? You do realize, don't you, that now you're just throwing words out there, hoping one of them will stick?

Of course, there was secret teaching that was revealed by the Holy Spirit after Jesus ascended. That's nothing new. The way God commands us to live, however, was most certainly NOT hidden.

Congratulations!

With your words you have convinced billions about the REALITY of Divine condemnation.

You clueless putz

 

[hadit]

Congratulations!

With your words you have convinced billions about the REALITY of Divine condemnation.

The way God commands us to live was never hidden. You choose to ignore it to your own condemnation.

 

[Ace Nova]

No, don't be silly. Its nothing new. its the same exact WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the law that was lost to time after his death until 1000 years later Jesus came and renewed the Law by teaching the exact same WAY that Moses taught to follow the law that was also lost to time when Rome assimilated and perverted his teaching, burying "his flesh" under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your church sits like a dragon. Now 2000 years later I just revealed what was lost to time for a time, times, and half a time.

If you want proof that there was secret teaching being withheld at the time of Jesus from other Jewish people by a very few religious elite, I will be happy to provide that once again.

So, by judging your responses anyone with half a brain can conclude with 100% certainty that my God has denied you comprehension because you have been a very naughty boy.

Out of curiosity, I've never seen you mention John the Baptist - who baptized Jesus. What is your understanding of John the Baptist?

 

[hobelim]

The way God commands us to live was never hidden.

Then why did Jesus say,"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."? The WAY was irrefutably HIDDEN from all by a select few. So just STFU before you injure yourself further.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law. (Dead Sea Scrolls, Manual of Discipline)


This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand to everyone in the room can see.", and why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" Not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret HIDDEN especially from froward men like Jesus.

 

[hadit]

Then why did Jesus say,"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."? The WAY was irrefutably HIDDEN from all by a select few.

That's ridiculous.

Go into all the world and make disciples of all men.

NOT "keep this hidden so only you guys are welcomed into the kingdom". Do you not see how ludicrous you are being? It would have been far easier for the disciples to just keep quiet about Yeshua if that's what He really wanted. He didn't.

On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law. (Dead Sea Scrolls, Manual of Discipline)

Link to that and explain why it's significant.

This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand to everyone in the room can see.", and why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" Not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret HIDDEN especially from froward men like Jesus.

Ta-da! You just blew your own argument right out of the water.

 

[hobelim]

Link to that

Screw you. Push a few buttons yourself you lazy bastard.

and explain why it's significant.

I already did that. And you even responded to it. Are you hard of reading? Short memory?

Damn.

"This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand to everyone in the room can see.", and why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" Not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret HIDDEN especially from froward men like Jesus."

 

[hadit]

I already did that. And you even responded to it. Are you hard of reading? Short memory?
Damn.

"This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand to everyone in the room can see.", and why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" Not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret HIDDEN especially from froward men like Jesus."

Exactly. Jesus didn't want to hide the way to God, He wanted the entire world to find it. There are advanced spiritual matters that only those who earnestly seek out will find, but that's not hiding way to God. Congratulations on destroying one of your main arguments, that you're somehow special because God kept the entire world in the dark until you came along. Quite an artificially elevated opinion of yourself there.

 

[hobelim]

Exactly. Jesus didn't want to hide the way to God,

Not according to Jesus.

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus H. Christ) BURIED IT AGAIN." Mat 13:44

Whether you like it or not I've found what the world was looking for, for a VERY long time.

ITS IRREFUTABLE.

The proof is in the pudding. And if you don't eat your meat you can't have any pudding.

I am sorry if your pride or your own overinflated opinion of yourself has been injured. Dick.

 

[hadit]

Not according to Jesus.

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus H. Christ) BURIED IT AGAIN." Mat 13:44

Yeshua also said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand so everyone in the room can see."
Yeshua also said, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Notice, all nations, not "keep it to yourselves so all mankind is ignorant of the biggest even in history". Notice also "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you". NOT "teach them only to not eat pork" because I want to hide it from them.
Naturally, you ignore those and reinterpret the other to mean what you want it to say.

Did you ever figure out whether it was 2,000 years or 7 1/2?

 

[hobelim]

Yeshua also said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand so everyone in the room can see."

Thats right. He saw that hiding the purpose of my God in giving the Law by misleading people into "believing" it should be taken literally rendered the Law null and void.

 

[hadit]

Thats right. He saw that hiding the purpose of my God in giving the Law by misleading people into "believing" it should be taken literally rendered the Law null and void.

That's not supported in Scripture. You just made that up.

 

[hadit]

Right. The curse in a cup of wine. remember?

But it is important to note that when Jesus was praying at Gethsemane, a stones throw away from the "sleeping disciples", he asked my God "for this cup to pass him by". You have been told that this was Jesus being afraid of death but I am telling you that it shows that Jesus did not want to curse the nations, but relented. Thy will be done"

Don't think about who heard what Jesus was silently praying to my God about clearly enough to write it down when the only other people there were sleeping a stones throw away.

Thats should be easy for you.

Who heard? The Holy Spirit heard, that's obvious to any scholar of Scripture. You didn't even read the Word, did you?

And have you figure out yet whether it's 2,000 years or 7 1/2?