Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

For some - being a "living being" comes once they have surpassed their "inner demons"

Unless my God breathes "the breath of life", the ankh, into your nostrils you will remain a shapeless lump of clay. Then you must surpass the outer demons. You know, the ones that screwed up your mind, every day and night for the rest of your life to be worthy of eternal life.

 

[hobelim]

I referenced biblical scholars and a Catholic Bishop in the first part of my post - not AI.

Well goodie for you! Have you ever tried to use your own brain? That would be proof of life.

All you have demonstrated so far is the absence of life.

 

[Ace Nova]

Unless my God breathes "the breath of life", the ankh, into your nostrils you will remain a shapeless lump of clay. Then you must surpass the outer demons. You know, the ones that screwed up your mind, every day and night for the rest of your life to be worthy of eternal life.

And after going through the jungle...

 

[BreezeWood]

- is that those who love trump openly admit he is speaking for them.

Who does that?

desert dwellers, maga maggots - pugs ...

the bible belt, no different now than when they met their first native american - in the name of christianity.

 

[hobelim]

And after going through the jungle...

I'm afraid you have to spend some time in purgatory knocking on heavens door before it opens up to you. The high Way of the Lord is straight, narrow, and difficult but far easier than perpetuating lies and by doing so curse yourself into life in HELL. So stop saying and doing stupid things like seeking spiritual life from a lifeless matzo, Don't desecrate the WORDS of Jesus, don't be a sucker, don't pretend to "believe" in something you know is impossible to be true, don't lie in the name of God. How hard is that? Atheists have that much faith.

Remember, bear fruit worthy of repentance. Saying sorry crying and prayer don't get it done.

 

[ding]

I'm afraid you have to spend some time in purgatory knocking on heavens door before it opens up to you. The high Way of the Lord is straight, narrow, and difficult but far easier than perpetuating lies and by doing so curse yourself into life in HELL. So stop saying and doing stupid things like seeking spiritual life from a lifeless matzo, Don't desecrate the WORDS of Jesus, don't be a sucker, don't pretend to "believe" in something you know is impossible to be true, don't lie in the name of God. How hard is that? Atheists have that much faith.

You will be judged by how you judge others. ~Jesus

Jesus warned against hypocritical, self-righteous, or harsh condemnation, advising that mercy shown to others will result in mercy for yourself.

 

[hobelim]

You will be judged by how you judge others. ~Jesus

Right, the same Jesus who said what he said in harsh judgment in Matthew 23:13-33?

I'm OK with that. ~ Hobelim


A.K.A. secular Jesus.

schmuck

 

[ding]

Right, the same Jesus who said what he said in judgment in Matthew 23:13-33?

I'm OK with that. ~ Hobelim


A.K.A. secular Jesus.

Yes. He is the judge. Not you.

John 5:22 ("the Father...has committed all judgment to His Son"), 2 Timothy 4:1, and the sheep/goats separation in Matthew 25:31-46.

 

[hobelim]

Yes. He is the judge. Not you.

Jesus said, "be just in your judgments" and so, I AM.

 

[ding]

Jesus said, "be just in your judgments" and so, I AM.

I disagree. I guess you'll have to wait for Jesus to judge you to settle our didpute. John 5:22

 

[hobelim]

I disagree. I guess you'll have to wait for Jesus to judge you to settle our didpute. John 5:22

You might not realize this being an idolator and all (go figure!) but I have already passed from "the death", a curse, to eternal life and so I am no longer subject to judgment. John 5:24.

 

[hadit]

Unless my God breathes "the breath of life", the ankh, into your nostrils you will remain a shapeless lump of clay. Then you must surpass the outer demons. You know, the ones that screwed up your mind, every day and night for the rest of your life to be worthy of eternal life.

We do not become worthy of eternal life, we are given eternal life.

 

[DennisPTate]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

Here is another variation on this exact same question.......
will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to President Donald J. Trump the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden" so that President Donald J. Trump can fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef / Ephrayim?"

Or perhaps will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus choose somebody else to fulfill the role of "Messiah son of Joseph" who cannot necessarily walk on water or resurrect the dead with a simple prayer?

Zone1 Thread 'King Charles vs President Trump for Throne of "Moshiach ben Yosef?"'

Today at 10:57 AM

In my opinion, although it is true that King Charles of England, is somewhat qualified to fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef - Ephrayim" I do believe that President Donald J. Trump is even more qualified than King Charles is?

Since I am Canadian, I should be in favour of King Charles for this role, but I feel that I must be intellectually honest at the minimum, and it does seem that even a significant number of Rabbi's in Israel are wondering if President Donald J. Trump could be "Moshiach ben Yosef" who is associated with the Latter day "Cyrus" by many Jewish scholars.

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• DennisPTate
• Replies: 2
• Forum: Religion and Ethics

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Mashiach is a human being, born in normal fashion of human parents.3 The only qualification about his origins is that he is a descendant of King David,4 through the lineage of his son Solomon.5 From his birth onwards his righteousness will increase continually, and by virtue of his deeds he will merit sublime levels of spiritual perfection.6

B. Mashiach In Every Generation​

Any time is a potential time for the coming of Mashiach.7 This does not mean, however, that at the appropriate time he will suddenly emerge from Heaven to appear on earth.8 On the contrary: Mashiach is already on earth, a human being of great saintly status (a tzadik) appearing and existing in every generation. “In every generation is born a progeny of Judah fit to be Israel’s Mashiach!”9

On the particular day that marks the end of the galut, when Mashiach will redeem Israel, the unique pre-existing soul of Mashiach ‘stored’ in Gan Eden from aforetimes will descend and be bestowed upon that tzadik.10 R. Mosheh Sofer summarizes this principle in his responsa:11

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

 

[hobelim]

We do not become worthy of eternal life, we are given eternal life.

Nonsense.

'Whatever "we" is has been given the consequence of their deliberate choice to allow Satan to enter their mind to perpetuate lies, openly desecrate the teachings of Jesus (The Actual Body of Christ) and brazenly defy the Law of my God and by doing so have become one of many insignificant sebaceous cysts on the ass of a self negating multiplicity that is slowly disintegrating into nothingness, oblivion. There is no "we" that has been given eternal life.

You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity, being UNAWARE with a state of grace.

 

[DennisPTate]

Nonsense.

'Whatever "we" is has been given the consequence of their choice to allow Satan to enter their mind to perpetuate lies.

Again, you do indeed make fascinating posts to this forum Hobelim. I am impressed.

 

[hobelim]

Again, you do indeed make fascinating posts to this forum Hobelim. I am impressed.

Thank you but I thank God for enlightening me to his wisdom in giving the Law. Thank Him. God being God must have known I wouldn't put what he gave me in a napkin and buried it.

 

[DennisPTate]

Thank you but I thank God for enlightening me to his wisdom in giving the Law. Thank Him. God being God must have known I wouldn't put what he gave me in a napkin and buried it.

Wow.....
"Great Shalom have all they that love thy Law"


Wow!!!!!!

B. Mashiach In Every Generation​

Any time is a potential time for the coming of Mashiach.7 This does not mean, however, that at the appropriate time he will suddenly emerge from Heaven to appear on earth.8 On the contrary: Mashiach is already on earth, a human being of great saintly status (a tzadik) appearing and existing in every generation. “In every generation is born a progeny of Judah fit to be Israel’s Mashiach!”9

On the particular day that marks the end of the galut, when Mashiach will redeem Israel, the unique pre-existing soul of Mashiach ‘stored’ in Gan Eden from aforetimes will descend and be bestowed upon that tzadik.10 R. Mosheh Sofer summarizes this principle in his responsa:11

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

 

[ding]

You might not realize this being an idolator and all (go figure!) but I have already passed from "the death", a curse, to eternal life and so I am no longer subject to judgment. John 5:24.

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

Key Aspects of John 5:24:

• The Condition: "Hears my word and believes him who sent me". This signifies trusting in Jesus as the messenger of God and the ultimate authority.
• The Promise: "Has eternal life". This is a present possession, not just a future hope.
• The Assurance:"Does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life". Believers are spared from final condemnation.

You are no believer. You pervert the word of God for your own selfish perversions.

 

[hadit]

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

Key Aspects of John 5:24:

• The Condition: "Hears my word and believes him who sent me". This signifies trusting in Jesus as the messenger of God and the ultimate authority.
• The Promise: "Has eternal life". This is a present possession, not just a future hope.
• The Assurance:"Does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life". Believers are spared from final condemnation.

You are no believer. You pervert the word of God for your own selfish perversions.

Indeed. Salvation is a gift, not a wage.

 

[BreezeWood]

We do not become worthy of eternal life, we are given eternal life.

who's we ... there is no judgement admissible through servitude and denial especially to phony bibles, nothing made is nothing given.

- everyone else will earn their way, the heavenly goal granted a&e or they will never pass the pearly gates.