Would holding a referendum on US government be ok?

[pvsi]

People are starting to wake up I give it until 2024(I hope sooner) before we start to see Democrats and Republicans thrown out of office repeatably. They won't go down without a fight and they will try to change laws to keep the Repubilcrats in charge.

How is it people think independents won't too be dependent on big money from the wealthy and from corporations. K Street manages America's political parties today, that's not going to change unless the rules and the supports are changed. And then there is this mystical belief that if you add independent to the person they become a sort of super politico? Consider independents such as Rand Paul as an example, you really think him different? I don't, he sings the same song as the others.

Ron Paul voted against the Republicans while running as republican on a lot issues for a lot of years so yes he was different.

WOW! I was under impression that they are supposed to vote on behalf of the people, but vote against a party, hmmm, wonder how you come to such conclusions? TV?

 

[editec]

WE signed out own political death warrants when we didn't string up the first POL we found was taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions.

Now our government is run by BRIBERY only we call it party politics running on campaign contributions.

I there anyone here, Republican or Dem. Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Socialist, Communist or NAZI who disagrees?

Stand up and show us yourselves.

I'd like to to know who here thinks this system is NOT corrupted down to its very core?

 

[Avatar4321]

The System is corrupt because corrupt people are in office, not because the people are free to donate to candidates of their choice.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

WE signed out own political death warrants when we didn't string up the first POL we found was taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions.

Now our government is run by BRIBERY only we call it party politics running on campaign contributions.

I there anyone here, Republican or Dem. Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Socialist, Communist or NAZI who disagrees?

Stand up and show us yourselves.

I'd like to to know who here thinks this system is NOT corrupted down to its very core?

The quoted post above is an example of why the Framers wisely created a Republic, as opposed to a democracy, and why National referenda are thankfully un-Constitutional.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's easy. We go back to what actually worked for a hundred years:
Senators elected by state legislatures.
Franchise limited to landholders or those with a demonstrated net worth of, I dunno, $10,000. Or assets of 20k. However you want to define it.

Those two changes will change the entire balance. Elections will no longer be a contest of who can bribe more voters with other people's money.

The quoted post above is yet another example of why the Framers wisely created a Republic, as opposed to a democracy, and why National referenda are thankfully un-Constitutional.

Your ignorance of the Constitution and its case law is noted, along with your contempt for the American people.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Would holding a referendum on US government be ok?

No.
That would be in violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution.
The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy – and thankfully so.

nothing about being a Republic prohibits referendums....republics thru the ages have had direct citizen lawmaking.

As do the states that are spoken of in Article IV, (which doesnt speak about the Fedreal government by-the-way)

see my pics for more addressing this topic

What part of:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…

do you not understand?

 

[HelenaHandbag]

No.
That would be in violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution.
The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy – and thankfully so.

nothing about being a Republic prohibits referendums....republics thru the ages have had direct citizen lawmaking.

As do the states that are spoken of in Article IV, (which doesnt speak about the Fedreal government by-the-way)

see my pics for more addressing this topic

What part of:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…

do you not understand?

Meh.

Living document.

Besides, I am certain that there is some case law somewhere, which renders Article 4, Section 4 impotent.

 

[hatman]

People are starting to wake up I give it until 2024(I hope sooner) before we start to see Democrats and Republicans thrown out of office repeatably. They won't go down without a fight and they will try to change laws to keep the Repubilcrats in charge.

How is it people think independents won't too be dependent on big money from the wealthy and from corporations. K Street manages America's political parties today, that's not going to change unless the rules and the supports are changed. And then there is this mystical belief that if you add independent to the person they become a sort of super politico? Consider independents such as Rand Paul as an example, you really think him different? I don't, he sings the same song as the others.

Ron Paul voted against the Republicans while running as republican on a lot issues for a lot of years so yes he was different.

WOW! I was under impression that they are supposed to vote on behalf of the people, but vote against a party, hmmm, wonder how you come to such conclusions? TV?

I hate to break to you but the D's and R's who usually vote against the party line don't get backed for reelection and then get replaced.

Congress Sets Record for Voting Along Party Lines - NationalJournal.com

House Republicans in 2013 voted with their caucus an average of 92 percent of the time, breaking the previous record of 91 percent in 2011, according to a new study from CQ Roll Call. The House GOP voted unanimously on party-unity votes—those that divided parties—35 percent of the time, also inching past the previous record of 34 percent in 2010.

A look at the Senate offers a similar picture, but in reverse; Senate Democrats broke their previous record on party unity in 2013 when lawmakers voted an average of 94 percent with their caucus. Unanimous voting also reached a new high: the Democratic caucus voted unanimously 52 percent on party-unity votes, which shatters the record for either party in either chamber (the last high was 46 percent in 2011).



The rankings, which come from CQ Roll Call's Vote Studies which tracks votes since 1956, underscore why the 113th Congress was one of the least productive in history, with less than 60 bills actually becoming law. Getting legislation through both chambers and past the president's desk is a feat when nearly everyone in Congress almost always votes with their own party and not the other. Welcome to Congress, where the middle ground is full of tumbleweeds, rather than people casting votes.

Gotta to believe these people disagree on some subjects but nope everybody in congress just happens agree with the party line damn near every time.

Ron Paul don't agree with them every time was all saying

 

[dcraelin]

No. That would be in violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution.
The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy – and thankfully so.

nothing about being a Republic prohibits referendums....republics thru the ages have had direct citizen lawmaking.
As do the states that are spoken of in Article IV, (which doesnt speak about the Fedreal government by-the-way)
see my pics for more addressing this topic

What part of:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…
do you not understand?

Can you READ?, it says to every state! does not say anything about federal government. And your definition of Republic is wrong anyway....

Living document.
Besides, I am certain that there is some case law somewhere, which renders Article 4, Section 4 impotent.

there are many cases where Clayton Jones' interpretation has been rejected, but u can almost always count on our sell-out judges to screw things up.