Wonderful, The Saudis armed ISIS.

Reagan met with the Afghan Mujahideen, later to become the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Reagan would call these religious fanatics and cutthroats "freedom fighters."


Those "freedom fighters' later became ISIS


Another Abomination created and fostered by THE US

ISIS, Al Qaeda 2.0!
 
:evil: Like there was ever a doubt? :mad:

'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

U.S lawmakers encouraged officials in Riyadh to arm Syrian rebels. Now that strategy may have created a monster in the Middle East.

“Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar,” John McCain told CNN’s Candy Crowley in January 2014. “Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar, and for our Qatari friends,” the senator said once again a month later, at the Munich Security Conference.

McCain was praising Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then the head of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former ambassador to the United States, for supporting forces fighting Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham had previously met with Bandar to encourage the Saudis to arm Syrian rebel forces.

But shortly after McCain’s Munich comments, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah relieved Bandar of his Syrian covert-action portfolio, which was then transferred to Saudi Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. By mid-April, just two weeks after President Obama met with King Abdullah on March 28, Bandar had also been removed from his position as head of Saudi intelligence—according to official government statements, at “his own request.” Sources close to the royal court told me that, in fact, the king fired Bandar over his handling of the kingdom’s Syria policy and other simmering tensions, after initially refusing to accept Bandar’s offers to resign.
'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback - Steve Clemons - The Atlantic

Brought to you by the same people that did 9/11..


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You'd better invade then, oh, you can't - oil prices would go through the roof and all oil transaction would stop using the dollar, so America would be fucked.
Perhaps you could invade Iraq - ah, you tried that and fucked up.
 
Reagan met with the Afghan Mujahideen, later to become the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Reagan would call these religious fanatics and cutthroats "freedom fighters."


Those "freedom fighters' later became ISIS


Another Abomination created and fostered by THE US

ISIS, Al Qaeda 2.0!

All true, but the American government will never admit it.

Rambo+3+Afghanistan+dead+goat+polo.jpg


Oh, and...

general hamid gul | Veterans Today

Osama bin Laden, America’s bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp

Ronald Reagan meets Afghan Mujahideen Commanders at the White House in 1985 (Reagan Archives)
reaganandmujahideen11-640x425.jpg
 
Reagan met with the Afghan Mujahideen, later to become the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Reagan would call these religious fanatics and cutthroats "freedom fighters."


Those "freedom fighters' later became ISIS


Another Abomination created and fostered by THE US

ISIS, Al Qaeda 2.0!

Still lying about freedom fighters becoming the Taliban and AQ?

Now Reagan is at fault for ISIS too?

:lmao:
 
Reagan met with the Afghan Mujahideen, later to become the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Reagan would call these religious fanatics and cutthroats "freedom fighters."


Those "freedom fighters' later became ISIS


Another Abomination created and fostered by THE US

ISIS, Al Qaeda 2.0!

All true, but the American government will never admit it.

Rambo+3+Afghanistan+dead+goat+polo.jpg


Oh, and...

general hamid gul | Veterans Today

Osama bin Laden, America’s bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp

Ronald Reagan meets Afghan Mujahideen Commanders at the White House in 1985 (Reagan Archives)
reaganandmujahideen11-640x425.jpg


Fool. No one denies that Reagan supported the mujahideen. That's why you can pull up pictures of Reagan with them you idiot.

But the Taliban and the AQ are different entities that the original tribal warriors who fought against the Russians.

You know. After Reagan left the WH.

Now to ISIS. Certainly backed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And it's no secret that Obama wants regime change in Syria.
 
I love how everyone told Bush this would be a clusterfuck and he ignored them.

Then it turned into a clusterfuck

And blame Obama
 
Talk about being late to the party. We have been warning you guys about this for months. We have been warning you guys about supporting radical islamists against Assad(supposedly the new hitler that carried out so called chemical attacks which were never proven). But no, you guys insisted on supporting "democracy" in Syria all the while ignoring that the weapons we were supplying were going to radicals, and we were helping the Saudis do the same.

Now in Iraq, you reap what you sow liberals and neo-cons.
Stick that useless shit back up your ass. Reagan sold weapons to Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. Operation Cyclone, Iran-Contra, CIA training and funding the Mujahideen, foreign aid to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, all helped create the modern jihad. Rumsfeld fondling Saddam's balls in 1983 while the Kurds were being gassed? Do Republicans just forget all of their contributions to this endless, unwinnable, Vietnam-style clusterfuck?

We are reaping what the GOP sowed.
 
Step back for a minute and think about the big picture. The current division of the Arab World or Muslim Middle East is a product of Western imperialists following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I. The creation of the state of Israel was just the final step in that process. No Arabs have ever been happy with the results and there is little-to-none identification with the country or the government in any of these Middle East nations.

The Arabs differ radically among themselves over what should replace the Western-designed set-up now in place and the West, which wants to see some sort of secular, bourgeois democracy throughout the region, doesn't agree with any of them. There is no happy solution to this situation.
 
Ronald Reagan meets Afghan Mujahideen Commanders at the White House in 1985 (Reagan Archives)
reaganandmujahideen11-640x425.jpg


Fool. No one denies that Reagan supported the mujahideen. That's why you can pull up pictures of Reagan with them you idiot.

But the Taliban and the AQ are different entities that the original tribal warriors who fought against the Russians.

You know. After Reagan left the WH.

Now to ISIS. Certainly backed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And it's no secret that Obama wants regime change in Syria.[/QUOTE]


Yer, different (if you have a pea for a brain)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki2D7AaTbzs]Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda -- And TheSupport Continues in Syria. - YouTube[/ame]
 
Interesting. Obama as President set Foreign policy not Senator McCain. Kerry carries it out. Yet here we have the left blaming McCain for a policy established and promoted by the White House. Talk about stupid.

This coming from a guy who wanted to go to war with Russia in Ukraine. ...

Go fuck yourself
 
So basically... the authoritarian war hawks have placed us smack dab in the middle of a war that has been raging in the middle east for quite literally thousands of years.

I'd like to give a shout out to people of both parties that irresponsibly supported us trying to nation build afganistan, then iraq, ____ all the other places obama has also be sending our troops and assets to.

Really? Why the effing hell are we in the middle of these middle east religious wars? These people can't be fixed.
 
Interesting. Obama as President set Foreign policy not Senator McCain. Kerry carries it out. Yet here we have the left blaming McCain for a policy established and promoted by the White House. Talk about stupid.

Stupid was supporting the invasion of Iraq given the geo-political conditions of the region.

THAT was extremely stupid.

I keep hoping that conservatives will one day catch on to the conflict and geo-political reality that the Sunni/Shia schism represents. The Saudis and ISIS are Sunni. Iran and the Iraqi gov't (we helped create) are Shia.

Now, after railing at Iran for years, conservatives want us to help Iran beat back a challenge to their friends running the Iraqi gov't? How is that in American interests? And why should anyone expect America to challenge the Saudis when our gov't flew Saudi nationals out of America in the aftermath of 9-11?
 
:evil: Like there was ever a doubt? :mad:

'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

U.S lawmakers encouraged officials in Riyadh to arm Syrian rebels. Now that strategy may have created a monster in the Middle East.

“Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar,” John McCain told CNN’s Candy Crowley in January 2014. “Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar, and for our Qatari friends,” the senator said once again a month later, at the Munich Security Conference.

McCain was praising Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then the head of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former ambassador to the United States, for supporting forces fighting Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham had previously met with Bandar to encourage the Saudis to arm Syrian rebel forces.

But shortly after McCain’s Munich comments, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah relieved Bandar of his Syrian covert-action portfolio, which was then transferred to Saudi Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. By mid-April, just two weeks after President Obama met with King Abdullah on March 28, Bandar had also been removed from his position as head of Saudi intelligence—according to official government statements, at “his own request.” Sources close to the royal court told me that, in fact, the king fired Bandar over his handling of the kingdom’s Syria policy and other simmering tensions, after initially refusing to accept Bandar’s offers to resign.
'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback - Steve Clemons - The Atlantic

Brought to you by the same people that did 9/11..


:doubt:

You have a great argument until you got to that last line!
 
:evil: Like there was ever a doubt? :mad:

you're correct

we always knew the Saudis funded the 9/11 hijackers and other terrorists. i'm not sure why this is a revelation.

No, OBL funded the 9/11 hijackers, not the Saudis. OBL was already kicked out of the kingdom when 9/11 happened. The Saudis are no boyscout and are a huge threat to the world via they active spreading of the Islamic cult, but they weren't responsible for 9/11!
 
:evil: Like there was ever a doubt? :mad:

'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

U.S lawmakers encouraged officials in Riyadh to arm Syrian rebels. Now that strategy may have created a monster in the Middle East.

“Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar,” John McCain told CNN’s Candy Crowley in January 2014. “Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar, and for our Qatari friends,” the senator said once again a month later, at the Munich Security Conference.

McCain was praising Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then the head of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former ambassador to the United States, for supporting forces fighting Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham had previously met with Bandar to encourage the Saudis to arm Syrian rebel forces.

But shortly after McCain’s Munich comments, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah relieved Bandar of his Syrian covert-action portfolio, which was then transferred to Saudi Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. By mid-April, just two weeks after President Obama met with King Abdullah on March 28, Bandar had also been removed from his position as head of Saudi intelligence—according to official government statements, at “his own request.” Sources close to the royal court told me that, in fact, the king fired Bandar over his handling of the kingdom’s Syria policy and other simmering tensions, after initially refusing to accept Bandar’s offers to resign.
'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback - Steve Clemons - The Atlantic

Brought to you by the same people that did 9/11..


:doubt:

You have a great argument until you got to that last line!

you mean the Saudis didn't fund 9/11? of course they did. and yes, I know it says may...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/us/graham-and-kerrey-see-possible-saudi-9-11-link.html?_r=0

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...i-arabia-for-funding-911-attacks-2356857.html
 
Failure in Afghanistan was not supporting General Massoud and Northern Alliance against Taliban after Soviet withdrawal. Remember, first act of 9-11 attacks was assassination of General Massoud on 9-10 by al Qaeda posing as reporters with TV camera and bombs strapped on them. massoud begged for U.S. help all through 1990's but got none. After 9-11 we backed Northern Alliance to roll back Taliban.
 

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