Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

We are discussing only accidents attributed to human error by the pilots. Read the OP article.

Yeah, that's called "pilot error". The maintenance guy leaving one of his tools somewhere it's not supposed to be or failing to properly maintain the amount of lubrication of the jackscrew in the tail, is still human error, just not "pilot error".

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What is your source?

The NTSB’s official accident database and final probable cause reports for each fatal U.S. commercial airline crash since 2000.

Primary Source: NTSB​

Core source for U.S. airline crash causation is:
National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Final Accident Reports

For each accident, the NTSB publishes:

• Probable cause
• Contributing factors
• Crew identities
• Aircraft data
• Maintenance findings
• CVR summaries
• Docket materials

You can verify directly from:
Home
(Search by flight number in the Aviation Accident Database)

Specific Reports​

1. Alaska Airlines 261 (2000)
   NTSB Report DCA00MA023 – Probable cause: jackscrew lubrication failure.
2. American Airlines 587 (2001)
   NTSB Report DCA02MA001 – Probable cause: excessive rudder inputs by first officer.
3. Air Midwest 5481 (2003)
   NTSB Report DCA03MA022 – Improper elevator rigging + improper weight & balance.
4. Colgan 9446 (2003)
   NTSB Report NYC03MA183 – Elevator trim cable mis-rigging + checklist failure.
5. Comair 5191 (2006)
   NTSB Report DCA06MA064 – Wrong runway departure.
6. Colgan 3407 (2009)
   NTSB Report DCA09MA027 – Captain’s inappropriate response to stall warning.
7. Asiana 214 (2013)
   NTSB Report DCA13MA120 – Unstable approach, automation mismanagement.
8. Reagan 2025 Mid-Air
   NTSB docket DCA25MA108 – Airspace management + helicopter visual separation issues.

Secondary Sources (for Crew Identity Confirmation)​

• FAA records
• Official airline press releases
• Major media (Reuters, AP, BBC)
• NTSB public dockets

Importantly:
None of those reports cite gender, race, or DEI policy as causal factors.

 

[DonGlock26]

Yeah, that's called "pilot error". The maintenance guy leaving one of his tools somewhere it's not supposed to be or failing to properly maintain the amount of lubrication of the jackscrew in the tail, is still human error, just not "pilot error".

The OP article studied instances of pilot error not mechanic error/negligence.

 

[DonGlock26]

The NTSB’s official accident database and final probable cause reports for each fatal U.S. commercial airline crash since 2000.

Primary Source: NTSB​

Core source for U.S. airline crash causation is:
National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Final Accident Reports

For each accident, the NTSB publishes:

• Probable cause
• Contributing factors
• Crew identities
• Aircraft data
• Maintenance findings
• CVR summaries
• Docket materials

You can verify directly from:
Home
(Search by flight number in the Aviation Accident Database)

Specific Reports​

1. Alaska Airlines 261 (2000)
   NTSB Report DCA00MA023 – Probable cause: jackscrew lubrication failure.
2. American Airlines 587 (2001)
   NTSB Report DCA02MA001 – Probable cause: excessive rudder inputs by first officer.
3. Air Midwest 5481 (2003)
   NTSB Report DCA03MA022 – Improper elevator rigging + improper weight & balance.
4. Colgan 9446 (2003)
   NTSB Report NYC03MA183 – Elevator trim cable mis-rigging + checklist failure.
5. Comair 5191 (2006)
   NTSB Report DCA06MA064 – Wrong runway departure.
6. Colgan 3407 (2009)
   NTSB Report DCA09MA027 – Captain’s inappropriate response to stall warning.
7. Asiana 214 (2013)
   NTSB Report DCA13MA120 – Unstable approach, automation mismanagement.
8. Reagan 2025 Mid-Air
   NTSB docket DCA25MA108 – Airspace management + helicopter visual separation issues.

Secondary Sources (for Crew Identity Confirmation)​

• FAA records
• Official airline press releases
• Major media (Reuters, AP, BBC)
• NTSB public dockets

Importantly:
None of those reports cite gender, race, or DEI policy as causal factors.

Is that from an AI search?

 

[meaner gene]

That was already answered (several times). When stuff was 100% white, of course, naturally, 100% of all crashes were due to white pilots.

But airlines have made QUANTUM LEAPS in safety since the 1970s-1980s as problem after poblem was identified and designed out, fly-by-wire came in, and computer control took over.

What the OP is talking about is TODAY:

Women and minorities now make up 10% of the total pilot reservoir yet HALF of all recent crashes have been under their watch.

Now, not all crashes are due to pilot error---- some crashes, stuff just goes wrong; it would not much matter WHO was the pilot if a wing or engine falls off...

And planes are designed now to try to PREVENT pilots from doing stupid stuff (like trying to take off without the flaps extended). Still, the fact that HALF of all crashes is with female and minority pilots looks pretty statistically significant to me and not just a matter of sexism nor racism.

Instead of looking at it through DEI glasses. Did you consider it from a pilot experience view.
That those DEI pilots, may have also, along with the non-DEI pilots, been new to the type, or of limited experience overall or in type.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The OP article studied instances of pilot error not mechanic error/negligence.

The OP article stated the following:

I analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

So this is how to properly determine the number of fatal plane crashes allegedly caused by "DEI" hires: ("...attributed to pilot error since 2000)

1. Identify all U.S. commercial airline crashes between the year 2000 and today from the NTSB's database. There were 10 crashes total, 8 fatal and 2 non-fatal so we will ignore the non-fatal crashes and only research the fatal ones
2. Out of the 8 fatal U.S. commercial airline crashes since 2000, only 5 of them involved "pilot error" either fully or in part.
3. Of the 5 fatal U.S. commercial airline crashes since 2000 that involved "pilot error" NONE of them was caused by a female or minority pilot-in-command meaning that the one crash in which a female officer was a part of the flight crew, she was not flying the left seat (not the captain aka PIC).

Furthermore, the Asiana crash that he really focused on where the captain flying was being line checked provided a glimpse into just how racist many individuals in our country still are:

The Asiana incident was one of the more appalling and unforgettable examples of media failure and casual racism.​

​

When KTVU-TV in the Bay Area aired those fake names — ​

"Sum Ting Wong," ​

"Wi Tu Lo," ​

"Ho Lee Fuk," and ​

"Bang Ding Ow" ​

as the names of the Asiana Flight 214 pilots, it wasn't just a prank; it was a broadcast-level lapse that:​

• Mocked the tragedy of a real aviation accident that killed three young passengers and injured many more.
• Exploited Asian names and accents for humor during an event that demanded professionalism and empathy.
• Was later traced back to a fake NTSB confirmation by a summer intern who was not authorized to validate information.

The station eventually apologized, and several producers were fired, but the damage was done. It’s still studied today as a case of newsroom breakdown, implicit bias, and how stereotypes can slip into “normal” workflows when proper checks are absent.​

​

The names themselves became a grotesque meme — but for those of us who followed the real investigation, we knew the actual flight crew were Korean nationals flying a Korean carrier’s 777 into San Francisco — a complex international operation, not a U.S. domestic diversity hire scenario.​

 

[DonGlock26]

The OP article stated the following:

So this is how to properly determine the number of fatal plane crashes allegedly caused by "DEI" hires: ("...attributed to pilot error since 2000)

1. Identify all U.S. commercial airline crashes between the year 2000 and today from the NTSB's database. There were 10 crashes total, 8 fatal and 2 non-fatal so we will ignore the non-fatal crashes and only research the fatal ones
2. Out of the 8 fatal U.S. commercial airline crashes since 2000, only 5 of them involved "pilot error" either fully or in part.
3. Of the 5 fatal U.S. commercial airline crashes since 2000 that involved "pilot error" NONE of them was caused by a female or minority pilot-in-command meaning that the one crash in which a female officer was a part of the flight crew, she was not flying the left seat (not the captain aka PIC).

Furthermore, the Asiana crash that he really focused on where the captain flying was being line checked provided a glimpse into just how racist many individuals in our country still are:

The Asiana incident was one of the more appalling and unforgettable examples of media failure and casual racism.​

​

When KTVU-TV in the Bay Area aired those fake names — ​

"Sum Ting Wong," ​

"Wi Tu Lo," ​

"Ho Lee Fuk," and ​

"Bang Ding Ow" ​

as the names of the Asiana Flight 214 pilots, it wasn't just a prank; it was a broadcast-level lapse that:​

• Mocked the tragedy of a real aviation accident that killed three young passengers and injured many more.
• Exploited Asian names and accents for humor during an event that demanded professionalism and empathy.
• Was later traced back to a fake NTSB confirmation by a summer intern who was not authorized to validate information.

The station eventually apologized, and several producers were fired, but the damage was done. It’s still studied today as a case of newsroom breakdown, implicit bias, and how stereotypes can slip into “normal” workflows when proper checks are absent.​

​

The names themselves became a grotesque meme — but for those of us who followed the real investigation, we knew the actual flight crew were Korean nationals flying a Korean carrier’s 777 into San Francisco — a complex international operation, not a U.S. domestic diversity hire scenario.​

Did you use AI? Yes or no?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Did you use AI? Yes or no?

Why are you asking me about AI? What impact does AI have on the information I looked up, analyzed and reported on?

 

[DonGlock26]

Why are you asking me about AI? What impact does AI have on the information I looked up, analyzed and reported on?

Why are you avoiding answering the question? What did you mean by saying "my AIA"?

 

[DonGlock26]

Well let's see. He's saying that a female or minority who are only 10% of the commercial airline pilot workforce are responsible for 50% of all fatal airline crashes since 2000. I have not looked back further but I get the impression that the year 2000 works best for what he's trying to show.

So this is what I got when I asked for a list of ALL commercial airline crashes since 2000. My AIA returned a list of 8 incidents involving fatalities and 2 non-fatal crashes:
FATAL

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.

NON-FATAL
Non‑fatal crashes/incidents (known examples):

1. United Airlines Flight 328 – Feb 20, 2021 – Engine failure and debris fall; aircraft landed safely with no fatalities.
2. Numerous minor hull‑loss accidents/serious incidents (e.g., runway excursions, gear collapses, emergency landings) — these appear in FAA/NTSB records but do not involve fatalities and generally result in safe evacuations and/or successful landings.

So he's saying that out of the 8 crashes involving fatalities, a female or minority (we know how to read the code) CAUSED the plane crash and therefore is responsible for causing the deaths of the people onboard or on the ground.

Now we'll go over what I know about the list of fatalities:

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
   Maintenance issue, not attributed to pilot error
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or the 1st officer was female or a minority
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
   Multiple issues primarily involving maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a minority
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
   Combination pilot error and improper maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
   Pilot error, the first officer was female but the pilot-in-command (PIC) was male and neither are a known minority
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
   Pilot error, none of these pilots were U.S. citizens, they were all Korean nationals and had nothing to do with U.S. FAA licensing of pilots. The pilots of this flight crew were also subjected to racist pranks in the media
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.
   This crash was not attributed to pilot error by the commercial airliner and neither of the pilots flying the commercial airliner were female or a known minority. The female pilot flying the helicopter does not add to the tally of alleged "DEI" hires by the commercial airlines in order even though she flew the helicopter into the airliner during a military training flight.

So the bottom line is that none of the 8 fatal airline crashes in the U.S. since 2000 were due to alleged "DEI" hiring. So yes DonGlock26, it looks as if his statements are false.

Where's the 2019 Atlas Air Flight 3591 crash mentioned in the OP? Did AI omit it?

 

[d0gbreath]

If the OP really wanted to show off his racism and misogamy, he should've just used 4 flights and stated that wimmins and POC were 100% to blame in those. Because now, I'm thinking that white men are to blame for 50% of the 8 crashes.

 

[DonGlock26]

If the OP really wanted to show off his racism and misogamy, he should've just used 4 flights and stated that wimmins and POC were 100% to blame in those. Because now, I'm thinking that white men are to blame for 50% of the 8 crashes.

Do you want airline pilots accredited based on merit or DEI?

 

[d0gbreath]

Do you want airline pilots accredited based on merit or DEI?

The female and POC pilots all got there on merit. DEI is Limbaugh rising from the grave.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Where's the 2019 Atlas Air Flight 3591 crash mentioned in the OP? Did AI omit it?

Atlas Air Flight 3591 wasn't included in the list because the query assumes commercial airlines carrying passengers. The Atlas Air flight was a cargo jet.

The probable cause for the crash was determined to have been caused by the 1st officer Aska, who misread the aircraft attitude at a crucial point in their descent and overcompensated by putting the aircraft into an extreme nose down attitude. All 3 three members of the flight crew were killed. None were female while the 1st office is Black:

Top left clock-wise: Captain Rickey Nelson Blakely (flying jump-seat), Captain Sean Archuleta, pilot-in-command, 1st Officer Conrad Aska

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Do you want airline pilots accredited based on merit or DEI?

Why are you still attempting to argue this when it's already been proven with your designated dataset that this is not true?

 

[DonGlock26]

Why are you still attempting to argue this when it's already been proven with your designated dataset that this is not true?

Post 90.

 

[DonGlock26]

The female and POC pilots all got there on merit. DEI is Limbaugh rising from the grave.

Solely on merit?

 

[SaxonJackson]

"Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t.

For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas.

President Donald Trump rightly recognized this danger: Early on, he ordered the Federal Aviation Administration and Department of Transportation to rescind all DEI initiatives and return to merit-based hiring and promotions. But the FAA can, and must, do more.

I analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

The sample size is small. But precisely because crashes are so rare, the few times they occur it’s important to scrutinize who is at the controls; under DEI’s guiding principle of relying on statistical disparities, it’s certainly enough to raise questions.

It’s not that women and minorities are inherently unable to fly planes, but in practice, pressure for affirmative action too often leads airlines to lower their standards to meet quotas.

Today, major carriers persist in aggressive diversity hiring.

Delta CLO Peter Carter declared in January 2025 that the airline is “steadfast” in its DEI commitments, calling them “critical to our business.”

United’s training academy maintains its goal of ensuring 50% of graduates are women or minorities.

Southwest still pledges to “recruit, hire, and retain a diverse and inclusive workforce.”

American agreed not to impose illegal quotas, but that leaves plenty of wiggle room."

Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t. For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas. The Federal A…

nypost.com

DEI should be called DIE. It is reckless and dangerous to chose pilots or any other high stakes skilled position even based partially on race or sex.
They should only be chosen based on performance.

You're absolutely wrong. DEI is our strength. To hell with talent and ability.

 

[DonGlock26]

Atlas Air Flight 3591 wasn't included in the list because the query assumes commercial airlines carrying passengers. The Atlas Air flight was a cargo jet.

The probable cause for the crash was determined to have been caused by the 1st officer Aska, who misread the aircraft attitude at a crucial point in their descent and overcompensated by putting the aircraft into an extreme nose down attitude. All 3 three members of the flight crew were killed. None were female while the 1st office is Black:

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Top left clock-wise: Captain Rickey Nelson Blakely (flying jump-seat), Captain Sean Archuleta, pilot-in-command, 1st Officer Conrad Aska

Your AI search fucked up. It was mentioned in the OP artice, but you missed it because you relied on AI.
Only sloppy and lazy journalists rely on AI.

 

[d0gbreath]

Solely on merit?

There's no way for either one of us to know that for sure. I'll go with yes, you can go with no, because we're both guessing.