Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

[Deplorable Yankee]

Quiet piggy. White pilots are far more responsible for crashes more often than blacks or women

That's because we invented flying
You women and coloreds really have no business piloting

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Shocker

When you lower standards, just to put a vagina or a minority into a seat you're asking for trouble...

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So why have white men been crashing all these years?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

So why have white men been crashing all these years?

Did you not read the stat

 

[Fugazi]

Like a previous poster mentioned earlier, I would like to see info on overall hours in the air, and hours in that specific cockpit, to see if that had anything to do with the results.

 

[Correll]

Keep that in mind when you’re selecting a doctor. Med schools have lowered standards in order to meet their black quota.

Although SOME blacks would have qualified based on merit, the MAJORITY of blacks accepted to med school would have been rejected if they were white.

DEI should not be allowed where the main purpose of the job is to protect lives.

DEI should not be allowed at all.

Even if the stakes of the job performance are NOT life and death,


1. it is still something of value. Hell, getting my order wrong and mcdonalds can ruin my lunch.

2. It is denying a job to the person that really deserved it. That is a real injustice. And let's face it, most people are lucky to get ONE or TWO breaks in their whole lives. IF that ONE break is taken away, that can be change their whole life. And the lives of their family, for generations.

 

[Correll]

Explain how DEI lowers standards.

At BEST, if done "properly, dei waters down the impact of MERIT, in hiring.

In PRACTICE, it REPLACES merit, in hiring.

We have all seen this in our own lives. In reality, the decision to hire non-whites is made BEFORE they make the short list. That shit cans the very concept of merit.

You have played the Race Card since this country was taken.

NOt really.

Really? 95% of plane crashes in the history of this country have been by white pilots.

Now you are playing retard.

The issue is the impact of DEI. The point is not that non-whites have accidents and whites don't. The point is that non-qualified, or at least, LESS qualified non-whites have accidents at a higher rate than white pilots.

And that higher rate, translates to dead people.

 

[Lisa558]

DEI should not be allowed at all.

Even if the stakes of the job performance are NOT life and death,


1. it is still something of value. Hell, getting my order wrong and mcdonalds can ruin my lunch.

2. It is denying a job to the person that really deserved it. That is a real injustice. And let's face it, most people are lucky to get ONE or TWO breaks in their whole lives. IF that ONE break is taken away, that can be change their whole life. And the lives of their family, for generations.

True. Let’s use my OWN family’s history as an example, and when MERIT - rather than DEI - was the deciding factor in who gets opportunities.

My father grew up the son of impoverished, uneducated Jewish immigrants fleeing European oppression. They lived in a tenement, 4 floors up, no hot water, and a shared bathroom with other tenants.

My father was motivated, disciplined - and very intelligent. He won a tuition-paid scholarship to a very competitive college. (Blacks were also in that college, btw, but they got in due to merit.) He chose a demanding and well-paid field, and thus he raised his own children in upper-middle class comfort. We kids then went on to college (and grad school) ourselves.

What would have happened if DEI were in place back then? My father may well have lost his well-earned place in college, and relegated to a working class job. We would have grown up under financial struggle, and perhaps lost out on college opportunities due to DEI ourselves.

Why should well-deserving, discipline, motivated, intelligent whites who have nothing to do with slavery be punished for something they didn’t do?

 

[Correll]

True. Let’s use my OWN family’s history as an example, and when MERIT - rather than DEI - was the deciding factor in who gets opportunities.

My father grew up the son of impoverished, uneducated Jewish immigrants fleeing European oppression. They lived in a tenement, 4 floors up, no hot water, and a shared bathroom with other tenants.

My father was motivated, disciplined - and very intelligent. He won a tuition-paid scholarship to a very competitive college. (Blacks were also in that college, btw, but they got in due to merit.) He chose a demanding and well-paid field, and thus he raised his own children in upper-middle class comfort. We kids then went on to college (and grad school) ourselves.

What would have happened if DEI were in place back then? My father may well have lost his well-earned place in college, and relegated to a working class job. We would have grown up under financial struggle, and perhaps lost out on college opportunities due to DEI ourselves.

Why should well-deserving, discipline, motivated, intelligent whites who have nothing to do with slavery be punished for something they didn’t do?

They clearly should NOT be punished for something they didn't do.

And anyone that argues that they should, is violating their civil rights.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

True. Let’s use my OWN family’s history as an example, and when MERIT - rather than DEI - was the deciding factor in who gets opportunities.

My father grew up the son of impoverished, uneducated Jewish immigrants fleeing European oppression. They lived in a tenement, 4 floors up, no hot water, and a shared bathroom with other tenants.

My father was motivated, disciplined - and very intelligent. He won a tuition-paid scholarship to a very competitive college. (Blacks were also in that college, btw, but they got in due to merit.) He chose a demanding and well-paid field, and thus he raised his own children in upper-middle class comfort. We kids then went on to college (and grad school) ourselves.

What would have happened if DEI were in place back then? My father may well have lost his well-earned place in college, and relegated to a working class job. We would have grown up under financial struggle, and perhaps lost out on college opportunities due to DEI ourselves.

Why should well-deserving, discipline, motivated, intelligent whites who have nothing to do with slavery be punished for something they didn’t do?

Merit has never been used in this country, if it had been there would have never been discrimination and racism in this country.

Damn that story just teared me up, now flip that and think about all the black men who fought and died in WWII and then come back to America and were denied employment, denied home loans, denied the GI Bill, denied the same freedoms that your father enjoyed because of the color of their skin. Black folks who EARNED college degrees, but all they could get was a working-class job or lower. You can never post a story that is worse than what black folks have had to endure in this country.

What did you have to do with Japanese Americans being put in internment camps?

What did you have to do with Native Americans being put on reservations?

What did you have to do with land being taken for American Eskimos?

 

[IM2]

"Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t.

For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas.

President Donald Trump rightly recognized this danger: Early on, he ordered the Federal Aviation Administration and Department of Transportation to rescind all DEI initiatives and return to merit-based hiring and promotions. But the FAA can, and must, do more.

I analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

The sample size is small. But precisely because crashes are so rare, the few times they occur it’s important to scrutinize who is at the controls; under DEI’s guiding principle of relying on statistical disparities, it’s certainly enough to raise questions.

It’s not that women and minorities are inherently unable to fly planes, but in practice, pressure for affirmative action too often leads airlines to lower their standards to meet quotas.

Today, major carriers persist in aggressive diversity hiring.

Delta CLO Peter Carter declared in January 2025 that the airline is “steadfast” in its DEI commitments, calling them “critical to our business.”

United’s training academy maintains its goal of ensuring 50% of graduates are women or minorities.

Southwest still pledges to “recruit, hire, and retain a diverse and inclusive workforce.”

American agreed not to impose illegal quotas, but that leaves plenty of wiggle room."

Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t. For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas. The Federal A…

nypost.com

DEI should be called DIE. It is reckless and dangerous to chose pilots or any other high stakes skilled position even based partially on race or sex.
They should only be chosen based on performance.

More white male racist garbage.

 

[IM2]

Merit has never been used in this country, if it had been there would have never been discrimination and racism in this country.

Damn that story just teared me up, now flip that and think about all the black men who fought and died in WWII and then come back to America and were denied employment, denied home loans, denied the GI Bill, denied the same freedoms that your father enjoyed because of the color of their skin. Black folks who EARNED college degrees, but all they could get was a working-class job or lower. You can never post a story that is worse than what black folks have had to endure in this country.

What did you have to do with Japanese Americans being put in internment camps?

What did you have to do with Native Americans being put on reservations?

What did you have to do with land being taken for American Eskimos?

Lisa needs to just shut up. She does nothing but post white racist trash. She is a loser. And what's so pathetic about her is the fact that he wasa DEI hire when she was working. Blacks marched and got civil rights that peple like Lisa enjoyed. She should be thanking blacks for making it possible for her to leave the kitchen. It's funny how people like that run their mouths about DEI.

 

[Lisa558]

Lisa needs to just shut up. She does nothing but post white racist trash. She is a loser. And what's so pathetic about her is the fact that he wasa DEI hire when she was working. Blacks marched and got civil rights that peple like Lisa enjoyed. She should be thanking blacks for making it possible for her to leave the kitchen. It's funny how people like that run their mouths about DEI.

IM2 needs to stop calling Jews evil and satanic. It’s funny how people like that can call other people bigots.

 

[IM2]

The reason they where all white males is because the racist Democrats didn't want minority or women commercial pilots from the 30's to 60's. You are a idiot.

Wrong. Because Republicans didn't want them either. Stop acting ike Republicans spent the 100 years of Jim Crow fighting to end it. They did not.

 

[IM2]

So what we see here are 33 crashes, with 29 being done with white pilots.

But let's use this racists logic. Since 1857, there have been 34 recessions. All happened under white presents. There has been at least 1 depression that occurred during an all-white administration and all white houses of Congress. There has been one black presient and he achieved record economic growth that lasted 1 decade.

So then, using the logic the racist who started this thread uses, DEI is the best thing for this country's economic growth.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

IM2 needs to stop calling Jews evil and satanic. It’s funny how people like that can call other people bigots.

He is not talking about Jews, he is talking about racist like you.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Are you saying that the below statement is untrue?

Well let's see. He's saying that a female or minority who are only 10% of the commercial airline pilot workforce are responsible for 50% of all fatal airline crashes since 2000. I have not looked back further but I get the impression that the year 2000 works best for what he's trying to show.

So this is what I got when I asked for a list of ALL commercial airline crashes since 2000. My AIA returned a list of 8 incidents involving fatalities and 2 non-fatal crashes:
FATAL

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.

NON-FATAL
Non‑fatal crashes/incidents (known examples):

1. United Airlines Flight 328 – Feb 20, 2021 – Engine failure and debris fall; aircraft landed safely with no fatalities.
2. Numerous minor hull‑loss accidents/serious incidents (e.g., runway excursions, gear collapses, emergency landings) — these appear in FAA/NTSB records but do not involve fatalities and generally result in safe evacuations and/or successful landings.

More exhaustive accident databases (FAA/NTSB monthly dashboards) list additional non‑fatal hull losses or serious accidents for commercial flights, but those are typically incidents with no deaths and not always widely reported in summary lists.

So he's saying that out of the 8 crashes involving fatalities, a female or minority (we know how to read the code) CAUSED the plane crash and therefore is responsible for causing the deaths of the people onboard or on the ground.

Now we'll go over what I know about the list of fatalities:

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
   Maintenance issue, not attributed to pilot error
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or the 1st officer was female or a minority
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
   Multiple issues primarily involving maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a minority
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
   Combination pilot error and improper maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
   Pilot error, the first officer was female but the pilot-in-command (PIC) was male and neither are a known minority
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
   Pilot error, none of these pilots were U.S. citizens, they were all Korean nationals and had nothing to do with U.S. FAA licensing of pilots. The pilots of this flight crew were also subjected to racist pranks in the media
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.
   This crash was not attributed to pilot error by the commercial airliner and neither of the pilots flying the commercial airliner were female or a known minority. The female pilot flying the helicopter does not add to the tally of alleged "DEI" hires by the commercial airlines in order even though she flew the helicopter into the airliner during a military training flight.

So the bottom line is that none of the 8 fatal airline crashes in the U.S. since 2000 were due to alleged "DEI" hiring. So yes DonGlock26, it looks as if his statements are false.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The objective is race baiting. Which should be fairly obvious from the thin content and non sequiter arguments.

It should also be obvious from the Trumpster posts, that Rupert Murdoch’s sleazy tabloid hit their intended target and triggered bigots.

Which was the intent.

Oh is that why it has the look & feel of a tabloid?

 

[DonGlock26]

Well let's see. He's saying that a female or minority who are only 10% of the commercial airline pilot workforce are responsible for 50% of all fatal airline crashes since 2000. I have not looked back further but I get the impression that the year 2000 works best for what he's trying to show.

So this is what I got when I asked for a list of ALL commercial airline crashes since 2000. My AIA returned a list of 8 incidents involving fatalities and 2 non-fatal crashes:
FATAL

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.

NON-FATAL
Non‑fatal crashes/incidents (known examples):

1. United Airlines Flight 328 – Feb 20, 2021 – Engine failure and debris fall; aircraft landed safely with no fatalities.
2. Numerous minor hull‑loss accidents/serious incidents (e.g., runway excursions, gear collapses, emergency landings) — these appear in FAA/NTSB records but do not involve fatalities and generally result in safe evacuations and/or successful landings.

So he's saying that out of the 8 crashes involving fatalities, a female or minority (we know how to read the code) CAUSED the plane crash and therefore is responsible for causing the deaths of the people onboard or on the ground.

Now we'll go over what I know about the list of fatalities:

1. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 – Jan 31, 2000 – MD‑83 jackscrew failure → loss of control into ocean.
   Maintenance issue, not attributed to pilot error
2. American Airlines Flight 587 – Nov 12, 2001 – rudder control loss → crashed after wake turbulence.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or the 1st officer was female or a minority
3. Air Midwest Flight 5481 – Jan 8, 2003 – weight/balance & maintenance issues → crashed on departure.
   Multiple issues primarily involving maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a minority
4. Colgan Air Flight 9446 – Aug 26, 2003 – Beechcraft 1900D crashed after departure.
   Combination pilot error and improper maintenance, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
5. Comair Flight 5191 – Aug 27, 2006 – took off from wrong runway → overran.
   Pilot error, neither the captain or 1st officer was female or a known minority
6. Colgan Air Flight 3407 – Feb 12, 2009 – crashed on approach near Buffalo.
   Pilot error, the first officer was female but the pilot-in-command (PIC) was male and neither are a known minority
7. Asiana Airlines Flight 214 – Jul 6, 2013 – unstable approach → crash landing.
   Pilot error, none of these pilots were U.S. citizens, they were all Korean nationals and had nothing to do with U.S. FAA licensing of pilots. The pilots of this flight crew were also subjected to racist pranks in the media
8. 2025 Reagan National mid‑air collision – Jan 2025 – American regional jet with U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter collision.
   This crash was not attributed to pilot error by the commercial airliner and neither of the pilots flying the commercial airliner were female or a known minority. The female pilot flying the helicopter does not add to the tally of alleged "DEI" hires by the commercial airlines in order even though she flew the helicopter into the airliner during a military training flight.

So the bottom line is that none of the 8 fatal airline crashes in the U.S. since 2000 were due to alleged "DEI" hiring. So yes DonGlock26, it looks as if his statements are false.

What is your source?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Wrong. Because Republicans didn't want them either. Stop acting ike Republicans spent the 100 years of Jim Crow fighting to end it. They did not.

I'm not a Republican, but the party did start the Civil Rights movement and kept it running until the Democratic Party hijacked it.

Remember "I'll have those ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"

 

[PeterPilot]

IM2 needs to stop calling Jews evil and satanic. It’s funny how people like that can call other people bigots.

All Jews are not evil and satanic. Only the Zionist and Talmudic Jews are that way. Not sure if IM2 is capable of making that distinction, but I am.