Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

His study was of commercial aircraft crashes as he stated in the OP. Did you miss that?

LOL, it doesn't matter how many times you state the same thing, what it means never changes.

Commercial means both cargo & passenger and your article addresses passenger flights only in the very first line of the article. The fact that Huff then brings in a cargo flight presumably after he realized that there were no commercial passenger flights that would make his argument true, doesn't change the dynamics. Both of you are WRONG in your claim that 10% of the pilots working for the airlines are responsible for 50% of the fatal plane crashes.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Atlas Air was a commercial flight as the OP stated. Have you read the OP?

Have you read the NTSB report?

The NTSB determines that the probable cause of this accident was the inappropriate
response by the first officer as the pilot flying to an inadvertent activation of the go-around mode,
which led to his spatial disorientation and nose-down control inputs that placed the airplane in a
steep descent from which the crew did not recover. Contributing to the accident was the captain’s
failure to adequately monitor the airplane’s flightpath and assume positive control of the airplane
to effectively intervene. Also contributing were systemic deficiencies in the aviation industry’s
selection and performance measurement practices, which failed to address the first officer’s
aptitude-related deficiencies and maladaptive stress response.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR2002.pdf

Yes, I have read the report. And what has the NTSB and the airline industry done IN RESPONSE to what was uncovered in this accident?

 

[DonGlock26]

Riding jump seat doesn't make them a PASSENGER.

And you still have not demonstrated that you understand the difference between a commercial PASSENGER flight and a commercial CARGO flight.

What does it make them? Cargo?

 

[DonGlock26]

What do you think the results of my research are?

Without sources, it isn't worth serious examination. That's why I have been asking if you just cut and paste AI slop and you are evading the questions.

 

[DonGlock26]

You're being stupid.

Resorting to name calling isn't helping your case. Provide your sources with links, and admit if you have been cutting and pasting AI slop.

 

[DonGlock26]

Well instead of constantly complaining about how I obtained my results why don't you enlighten us on how you would obtain a list of

1. U.S.
2. commercial
3. passenger
4. airline flights that resulted in
5. Fatalities
a. onboard OR
b. on the ground
7. that are attributed to pilot error
a. primarily OR
b. in part

I even made it EASY for you to do so by telling you (AGAIN) which flights you have to consider.

You can Google for a list, or use Gemini or one of the other "helpers" to get the list. Because if you are unable to do that then you are in position to question my results.

I've had the misfortune of having had to work with people like you, who can't do my work themselves yet constantly find things to criticize about it that have no bearing whatever on the quality or veracity of the data and reports I turn in.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that Black people and female pilots ARE NOT responsible for many of things you fear?

Also do you have a permit to conceal carry your Glock 26? Because I suspect your understanding of our gun laws is as dismal as your understanding of how commercial aviation crashes are investigated and the difference between passenger vs cargo flights.

Someone who refuses to admit that they cut and pasted AI slop and refuses to provide sources and links is hardly in a position to tell others how to do research.

 

[DonGlock26]

LOL, it doesn't matter how many times you state the same thing, what it means never changes.

Commercial means both cargo & passenger and your article addresses passenger flights only in the very first line of the article. The fact that Huff then brings in a cargo flight presumably after he realized that there were no commercial passenger flights that would make his argument true, doesn't change the dynamics. Both of you are WRONG in your claim that 10% of the pilots working for the airlines are responsible for 50% of the fatal plane crashes.

What part of this do you not understand?

"I analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%)."

Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t. For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas. The Federal A…

nypost.com

 

[DonGlock26]

Yes, I have read the report. And what has the NTSB and the airline industry done IN RESPONSE to what was uncovered in this accident?

So, it is a commercial crash with the majority of the fault placed on the minority pilot.
What part of this do you not grasp?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What does it make them? Cargo?

No, but what they are NOT is a revenue-generating PASSENGER, nor member of the flight crew. They usually work for the airlines whose plane they're hitching a ride to the destination of that flight.

Or it could be someone from the FAA. Still a NOT a revenue generating PASSENGER.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What part of this do you not understand?

"I analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%)."

Despite Trump’s efforts, airline DEI programs are still risking people’s lives

Three million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t. For decades, airlines have subordinated safety to diversity quotas. The Federal A…

nypost.com

I understand perfectly well what he's saying. What you don't seem to understand is that there are multiple problems with what he's claimed and the way he arrived at his conclusion STARTING WITH HIS VERY FIRST SENTENCE IN HIS ARTICLE.

BECAUSE, the evidence does not support his claim that 10% of the workforce that is made up of females and minorities is responsible for 50% of fatal crashes attributed to pilot error, as of 2000 which is the wrong year to begin with. You have to start with the first year a Black pilot was hired by a commercial passenger airline which was 1963. He must have pulled the year 2000 out the air OR he's using it to try to arrive at the statistic he's trying to prove. He obviously couldn't do it using the proper dataset and methods.

But on a side note, why do you think he knows more about this than I do, especially when every time I point out what he claims in his very first statement of the article is false you simply refuse to address the topic. His OWN data proves the statement is false as does mine.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So, it is a commercial crash with the majority of the fault placed on the minority pilot.
What part of this do you not grasp?

So you believe Black people are inherently inferior to whites? Is that why you HAVE to believe that there is something wrong here? Other than the bogus statistics contained in this bogus article.

Have you read anything about the lawsuit Aska's family filed?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Resorting to name calling isn't helping your case. Provide your sources with links, and admit if you have been cutting and pasting AI slop.

I didn't call you a name I said you're being stupid. Meaning intentionally behaving in a stupid manner.

I don't have a case here. I'm not the person who has their whole identity tied up into proving that Black people are inherently inferior to white people. Otherwise why would you all be posting this ridiculous false expose.

Sure, you want me to post more than I already have? My current rate is $150/hr. but it's soon to go up to $225/hr.

This is why I said you're being stupid. The information you have just asked for AGAIN has already been posted. You just don't believe that it's true because you have to believe I couldn't possibly know more about this than you, being female AND Black <eye roll>.

Your aversion to AI is very, very telling as well as hilarious but it also may be able to help me with one of my homework assignments this week. I've already told them (my class) about you all parroting "garbage in, garbage out" without actually knowing what it means. Garbage can go in, it's not a forgone conclusion that garbage is what will come out.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Without sources, it isn't worth serious examination. That's why I have been asking if you just cut and paste AI slop and you are evading the questions.

Oh geez, is this what you're referring to? The comments in italics & color are my own comments after reviewing the final probable cause reports for each of the incidents, the first one was particularly horrific and I listened to the transmission between the captain and the air route center before the plane crashed into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Ventura near Port Hueneme. It was particularly heartbreaking. Those pilots did everything they could to keep anyone on the ground from becoming a part of the tragedy which is why they ended up in the ocean:

 

[DonGlock26]

No, but what they are NOT is a revenue-generating PASSENGER, nor member of the flight crew. They usually work for the airlines whose plane they're hitching a ride to the destination of that flight.

Or it could be someone from the FAA. Still a NOT a revenue generating PASSENGER.

Who said anything about revenue-generating? Any passenger killed in a plane crash is one too many. Same goes for people on the ground killed by crashing aircraft.

 

[DonGlock26]

I understand perfectly well what he's saying. What you don't seem to understand is that there are multiple problems with what he's claimed and the way he arrived at his conclusion STARTING WITH HIS VERY FIRST SENTENCE IN HIS ARTICLE.

BECAUSE, the evidence does not support his claim that 10% of the workforce that is made up of females and minorities is responsible for 50% of fatal crashes attributed to pilot error, as of 2000 which is the wrong year to begin with. You have to start with the first year a Black pilot was hired by a commercial passenger airline which was 1963. He must have pulled the year 2000 out the air OR he's using it to try to arrive at the statistic he's trying to prove. He obviously couldn't do it using the proper dataset and methods.

But on a side note, why do you think he knows more about this than I do, especially when every time I point out what he claims in his very first statement of the article is false you simply refuse to address the topic. His OWN data proves the statement is false as does mine.

Because his article is about modern DEI.

You are not accepting that he was speaking about all commercial flight crashes as he stated.

Do you support this?


"FAA slammed over 'targeted disabilities' hiring goal: 'People will die due to DEI'

WASHINGTON (TND) — The Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) "targeted disabilities" policy drew criticism from public figures Monday.

The guidelines, announced in March 2022, set an annual FAA hiring goal of 3% for severely impaired employees. The listed disabilities include psychiatric and intellectual impairments, complete and partial paralysis, blindness, deafness, missing extremities, epilepsy and dwarfism.

The FAA states the "targeted disabilities" category is the only protected group for which federal agencies can have a hiring goal since severely disabled workers face the most challenges with obtaining employment. The agency also claims diversity is “integral” to ensuring “safe” and “efficient” travel across the world.

Elon Musk expressed shock over the guidelines Monday, raising the question of whether one would want to fly for an airline seemingly prioritizing diversity, equity and inclusion hiring over safety."

FAA slammed over 'targeted disabilities' hiring goal: 'People will die due to DEI'

The Federal Aviation Administration's annual hiring goal of 3% for individuals with severe disabilities drew criticism Monday.

wpde.com

 

[DonGlock26]

So you believe Black people are inherently inferior to whites? Is that why you HAVE to believe that there is something wrong here? Other than the bogus statistics contained in this bogus article.

Have you read anything about the lawsuit Aska's family filed?

No, what makes you say that?

Why would I?

 

[DonGlock26]

I didn't call you a name I said you're being stupid. Meaning intentionally behaving in a stupid manner.

I don't have a case here. I'm not the person who has their whole identity tied up into proving that Black people are inherently inferior to white people. Otherwise why would you all be posting this ridiculous false expose.

Sure, you want me to post more than I already have? My current rate is $150/hr. but it's soon to go up to $225/hr.

This is why I said you're being stupid. The information you have just asked for AGAIN has already been posted. You just don't believe that it's true because you have to believe I couldn't possibly know more about this than you, being female AND Black <eye roll>.

Your aversion to AI is very, very telling as well as hilarious but it also may be able to help me with one of my homework assignments this week. I've already told them (my class) about you all parroting "garbage in, garbage out" without actually knowing what it means. Garbage can go in, it's not a forgone conclusion that garbage is what will come out.

That's name-calling. You need to grow up. Have you gotten around to admitting that you used AI slop with no links to sources yet?

 

[DonGlock26]

Oh geez, is this what you're referring to? The comments in italics & color are my own comments after reviewing the final probable cause reports for each of the incidents, the first one was particularly horrific and I listened to the transmission between the captain and the air route center before the plane crashed into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Ventura near Port Hueneme. It was particularly heartbreaking. Those pilots did everything they could to keep anyone on the ground from becoming a part of the tragedy which is why they ended up in the ocean:

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