Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Can you disprove his stats?

The first line of the article you featured states "...300 million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t."

People don't board cargo planes because cargo planes don't carry passengers. Atlas Air, the one airline Huff found that he believes proves his bogus stat that 10% of the pilot workforce made up of females and minorities are allegedly involved in 50% of commercial airlines crashes resulting in fatalities, is not a part of the dataset.

There are no fatal commercial airlines crashes between 2000 and today where the pilot in the command (PIC) also known as the captain, was either female or a minority therefore that stat that Huff posted and the OP and like latched onto with so much certainty that it supports their superiority complex is FALSE.

Lastly, even if cargo flights were included, Aska, the 1st officer on the Atlas Air flight was not the pilot in command. The captain was neither a female nor a minority, so it still doesn't support the false 50% claim.

 

[GLASNOST]

The first line of the article you featured states "...300 million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t."

What? You are saying that Americans shouldn't board planes flown by merited (qualified) pilots. A-ha, or maybe you are saying they shouldn't assume the pilots are merited? Yeah, that would make more sense.

 

[Dorian Mode]

What? You are saying that Americans shouldn't board planes flown by merited (qualified) pilots. A-ha, or maybe you are saying they shouldn't assume the pilots are merited? Yeah, that would make more sense.

100 years from now historians will be discussing the fall of the US. All will agree that abandoning meritocracy was a key factor and meritocracy is what made the US a great nation in the first place. DEI will get most of the blame. Another key factor will be the dumocrap party and its overwhelming corruption and organized crime that was enabled by their various DEI projects. A big factor will be the dumocrap takeover of journalism that enabled all the organized crime that eventually got revealed, and destroyed what little trust in the government remained.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Do you actually believe this article? And the guy who wrote it is a law school graduate but not a practicing attorney and I can readily see why, if this article is an example of his critical thinking skills.

4 accidents out of 8 accidents huh? Over what period of time? Why not 4 accidents out of all of them, do you know how to even determine that?

I don't know what is more comical, his article or you all are gobbling it up the way you are.

U.S. Commercial Airline Crashes With Fatalities (Pre-1963)​

1930s​

1. 1931 – TWA Flight 599 – Kansas – 8 dead
2. 1933 – United Air Lines Trip 23 – Indiana – 7 dead
3. 1935 – TWA Flight 6 – Missouri – 5 dead
4. 1937 – United Airlines Trip 23 – Utah – 19 dead
5. 1938 – United Airlines Flight 1 – California – 10 dead

1940–1945​

1. 1940 – Pennsylvania Central Airlines Trip 19 – Virginia – 25 dead
2. 1941 – Eastern Air Lines Flight 21 – Georgia – 8 dead
3. 1942 – American Airlines Flight 28 – California – 22 dead
4. 1943 – American Airlines Flight 63 – Tennessee – 20 dead
5. 1944 – TWA Flight 3 – Nevada – 24 dead

1946–1949​

1. 1946 – United Airlines Flight 521 – New York – 17 dead
2. 1946 – American Airlines Flight 96 – Tennessee – 39 dead
3. 1947 – United Airlines Flight 608 – Utah – 52 dead
4. 1947 – United Airlines Flight 623 – Maryland – 17 dead
5. 1948 – United Airlines Flight 624 – Pennsylvania – 47 dead (incl. ground fatalities)
6. 1949 – Eastern Air Lines Flight 537 – Washington, DC – 59 dead

1950–1955​

1. 1950 – Northwest Orient Flight 2501 – Lake Michigan – 58 dead
2. 1951 – United Airlines Flight 610 – Wyoming – 66 dead
3. 1953 – American Airlines Flight 723 – Ohio – 22 dead
4. 1955 – United Airlines Flight 629 – Colorado – 44 dead (bombing)

1956–1962​

1. 1956 – Grand Canyon Mid-Air Collision (UA 718 / TWA 2) – Arizona – 128 dead
2. 1959 – Braniff Flight 542 – Texas – 34 dead
3. 1960 – United 826 / TWA 266 Mid-Air Collision – New York – 134 dead (incl. ground fatalities)
4. 1961 – United Airlines Flight 859 – Colorado – 17 dead
5. 1962 – American Airlines Flight 1 – New York – 95 dead

So if DEI is allegedly responsible for four airline accidents in recent years (with 2009 as an outlier), what was causing the dozens of fatal U.S. airline crashes before 1963, when airlines had not yet hired a single Black or female pilot?

All 25 of these crashes happened when:

• Cockpits were 100% white
• 100% male
• Long before “DEI,” affirmative action, or diversity hiring existed in aviation

You clearly missed the point.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Can you identify the flaw in your argument? What about his argument?

How about just the 4 out 8 means 50% of airline crashes are due to DEI hires. That's what your title says - that minorities & women make up only 10% of the commercial airline pilot workforce yet are responsible for 50% of the crashes?

And what about prior to 1963 when the pilots were 100% male & white (or in the very least 0% Black & 0% female)? Who and what caused THOSE crashes?

Many factors caused, but it wasn’t incompetence **** wits out in the flight chair by moralists like you!

 

[GLASNOST]

100 years from now historians will be discussing the fall of the US.

For sure.

All will agree that abandoning meritocracy was a key factor ... DEI will get most of the blame

I agree ... and it should get the blame,

Another key factor will be the dumocrap party

I don't think they will be concerned with that 100 years from now.

.... overwhelming corruption and organized crime

Yes ...

... takeover of journalism that enabled all the organized crime that eventually got revealed, and destroyed what little trust in the government remained.

Definitely. But I still don't think that 100 years from now the debate about the fall of the US will be limited to DEI and the Democratic party. All of the wars the US has perpetrated and the Democratic nations the US has destroyed will also contribute. And let's be honest, The Democrats and Republicans have been taking turns ******* the nation and the world. So, I agree with you completely about that discussion today but 100 years from now? I don't think so. The blame will be placed on American governing all together.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What? You are saying that Americans shouldn't board planes flown by merited (qualified) pilots. A-ha, or maybe you are saying they shouldn't assume the pilots are merited? Yeah, that would make more sense.

Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. I was pointing out to the OP that the author of the piece, Dan Huff laid the requirements for the dataset in the very first line of the referenced article. PASSENGERS do not board cargo flights. So that is why the Atlas Air crashes didn't show up in my list of commercial airline crashes resulting in fatalities, not because I made a mistake. I never considered cargo flights even though Huff included them in his article, erroneously I might add.

In order to attempt to make it look as if his numbers are valid where he is alleging that the combination of female and minority pilots (alleged DEI hires) make up only 10% of the workforce of pilots yet are allegedly responsible for 50% of fatal airlines crashes, he used at least one cargo flight but also limited the dataset to the years 2000 to present which excludes 37 years of data. Why would he do that other than to make the denominator of the total fatal airlines crashes smaller than it actually is, which by the way is still extraordinarily small. The larger the denominator the smaller the percentage but in this case the percentage is 0% because none of the flights meet the requirements that would show that 50% of fatal commercial airline crashes between 2000 and today were caused by a female or non-white pilot in command. Not even after the research & math is done and I've shown my work.

The number of incidents that fit this category over a 63-year period is actually less than a dozen, so the commercial aviation industry has an exceptional safety record. But due to the large number of people who lose their lives during a single catastrophic event, that's generally what's thought to make these situations even more tragic.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You clearly missed the point.

No I didn't miss the point, that article should be labeled as yellow journalism.

Or more appropriately simply Trump et al propaganda. Funny though, it only woks on some people.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Many factors caused, but it wasn’t incompetence **** wits out in the flight chair by moralists like you!

LOL, moralists?

You should know your audience a bit better

 

[scruffy]

NewsVine_Mariyam

Where are you getting your data?

 

[Dorian Mode]

For sure.

I agree ... and it should get the blame,

I don't think they will be concerned with that 100 years from now.

Yes ...

Definitely. But I still don't think that 100 years from now the debate about the fall of the US will be limited to DEI and the Democratic party. All of the wars the US has perpetrated and the Democratic nations the US has destroyed will also contribute. And let's be honest, The Democrats and Republicans have been taking turns ******* the nation and the world. So, I agree with you completely about that discussion today but 100 years from now? I don't think so. The blame will be placed on American governing all together.

It is true that the American government has been fucked up for 250 years, but I think it has been the best fucked up government during that time. I saw a quote from the Federalist Papers a long time ago where, I think it was Madison, admitted that the real function of government is to keep the landowners safe from the commoners. It still rings true today, as our government really doesn't work for We The People, it primarily works for the Donor Class and does just enough to keep the commoners from revolting. In that regard there are minor differences between the two parties. But lately, like the last 25 years, the dumocraps have gone rogue and want to abandon the uniparty and bring us more in line with modern leftist governments via a new leftist revolution. This has caused people, like Trump, to mount a resistance. This modern dumocrap party is destroying the status quo that brought 250 years of prosperity.

 

[IM2]

NBA needs to adopt DEI policy. Every team must have at least three white female midgets on the floor at all times.

The NBA is a real meritocracy. You make the team based on yu performance. It's funny how you racists bring up th NBA instead of the NHL.

 

[IM2]

It is true that the American government has been fucked up for 250 years, but I think it has been the best fucked up government during that time. I saw a quote from the Federalist Papers a long time ago where, I think it was Madison, admitted that the real function of government is to keep the landowners safe from the commoners. It still rings true today, as our government really doesn't work for We The People, it primarily works for the Donor Class and does just enough to keep the commoners from revolting. In that regard there are minor differences between the two parties. But lately, like the last 25 years, the dumocraps have gone rogue and want to abandon the uniparty and bring us more in line with modern leftist governments via a new leftist revolution. This has caused people, like Trump, to mount a resistance. This modern dumocrap party is destroying the status quo that brought 250 years of prosperity.

The only resistance has been from the racists who want to reimpose the system they had before civil rights was passed. There have not been 250 years of prosperity here.

 

[IM2]

100 years from now historians will be discussing the fall of the US. All will agree that abandoning meritocracy was a key factor and meritocracy is what made the US a great nation in the first place. DEI will get most of the blame. Another key factor will be the dumocrap party and its overwhelming corruption and organized crime that was enabled by their various DEI projects. A big factor will be the dumocrap takeover of journalism that enabled all the organized crime that eventually got revealed, and destroyed what little trust in the government remained.

Meitocacy has never existed here. White male patriarchy is not meritocracy.

 

[IM2]

People who have not been educated in aviation should not argue with a person who graduated in aviation. This is the problem with America today. Uneducated imbeciles spewing opinions that have zero basis in fact. All emotion.

Earlier, one of the idiots posted an excuse to deny the number of fatal crashes when the fights were manned 100 percent by white men. He claimed that planes were less safe at that time, as if that justifies what happened. These auto excuses get real old, but what this person did was provide evidence of white incompetence. After all, if planes were less safe when all the workers in the industry were white...... It means that DEI was necessary to improve the industry.

 

[DonGlock26]

The first line of the article you featured states "...300 million Americans will board a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t."

People don't board cargo planes because cargo planes don't carry passengers. Atlas Air, the one airline Huff found that he believes proves his bogus stat that 10% of the pilot workforce made up of females and minorities are allegedly involved in 50% of commercial airlines crashes resulting in fatalities, is not a part of the dataset.

There are no fatal commercial airlines crashes between 2000 and today where the pilot in the command (PIC) also known as the captain, was either female or a minority therefore that stat that Huff posted and the OP and like latched onto with so much certainty that it supports their superiority complex is FALSE.

Lastly, even if cargo flights were included, Aska, the 1st officer on the Atlas Air flight was not the pilot in command. The captain was neither a female nor a minority, so it still doesn't support the false 50% claim.

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Do you have a source and a link other than AI?


Atlas Air Flight 3591 was a crash of a commercial aircraft. A Boeing 767-375ER(BCF) to be exact.

Atlas Air Flight 3591 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Keep in mind that crashing commerical jets are a threat to people on the ground. The recent UPS jet crash killed 12 on the ground.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

4 accidents out of 8 accidents huh? Over what period of time? Why not 4 accidents out of all of them, do you know how to even determine that?

I don't know what is more comical, his article or you all are gobbling it up the way you are

It is you that is comical.
50% of accidents since DEI.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Gemini A/I

While it is true that women and minorities make up approximately 10% of professional pilots, the claim regarding crash statistics is misleading.
Representation
* Women: Comprise about 4.6% to 5.5% of Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate holders.
* Minorities: Non-white pilots account for roughly 9% to 13% of the U.S. workforce.
Crash Data
The "4 out of 8 crashes" figure comes from a recent op-ed that used a very small sample size of specific high-profile incidents to suggest a trend. However, aviation safety experts and NTSB data do not support a link between diversity and increased accident rates.
* Statistical Reality: Major commercial crashes are so rare that a sample of 8 is not statistically significant for drawing broad conclusions about any demographic.
* Safety Drivers: NTSB investigations consistently cite factors like mechanical failure, weather, and experience levels—rather than race or gender—as primary causes.
* Comparative Safety: Studies, including those published in the Collegiate Aviation Review, indicate no significant difference in safety performance based on gender or ethnicity; some data even suggests female pilots are involved in fewer fatal accidents per flight hour.

A/I
Would you like me to find the specific NTSB reports for those eight crashes to see what the official causes were?

Google does these from a liberal perspective every time -- except for a white

 

[Dorian Mode]

The only resistance has been from the racists who want to reimpose the system they had before civil rights was passed. There have not been 250 years of prosperity here.

Poor thing, you are so oppressed. But remember, white people pay for your EBT and Section 8 housing. Plus you get to steal all you want from Walmart, treat white people badly but cry racism when they treat you the same, and you don't have to pay attention in school or even go to school and the system will take care of everything for you. There still is meritocracy in this country, but you don't seem to want to take advantage of it because you are taken care of by white people. White Liberals call that oppression.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

NewsVine_Mariyam

Where are you getting your data?

Just out of curiosity, you didn't start with the beginning of the thread, you just zoomed in on my comments?

You might be interested to know that my undergrad degree is in aeronautical science and I was required to read, analyze and write a book report on any NTSB accident report of my choosing. So, my understanding of aviation extends beyond just what I read on the internet, This is the report I selected for my assignment: National Airlines Flight Ends in Escambia Bay

Response 82

"The NTSB’s official accident database and final probable cause reports for each fatal U.S. commercial airline crash since 2000.
Core source for U.S. airline crash causation is:
National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Final Accident Reports

For each accident, the NTSB publishes:

• Probable cause
• Contributing factors
• Crew identities
• Aircraft data
• Maintenance findings
• CVR summaries
• Docket materials

You can verify directly from:
Home
(Search by flight number in the Aviation Accident Database)

1. Alaska Airlines 261 (2000)
   NTSB Report DCA00MA023 – Probable cause: jackscrew lubrication failure.
2. American Airlines 587 (2001)
   NTSB Report DCA02MA001 – Probable cause: excessive rudder inputs by first officer.
3. Air Midwest 5481 (2003)
   NTSB Report DCA03MA022 – Improper elevator rigging + improper weight & balance.
4. Colgan 9446 (2003)
   NTSB Report NYC03MA183 – Elevator trim cable mis-rigging + checklist failure.
5. Comair 5191 (2006)
   NTSB Report DCA06MA064 – Wrong runway departure.
6. Colgan 3407 (2009)
   NTSB Report DCA09MA027 – Captain’s inappropriate response to stall warning.
7. Asiana 214 (2013)
   NTSB Report DCA13MA120 – Unstable approach, automation mismanagement.
8. Reagan 2025 Mid-Air
   NTSB docket DCA25MA108 – Airspace management + helicopter visual separation issues.

• FAA records
• Official airline press releases
• Major media (Reuters, AP, BBC)
• NTSB public dockets

Importantly:
None of those reports cite gender, race, or DEI policy as causal factors."