Without education, what kind of jobs will be available to young Americans?

[Photonic]

Education is vital to the wellbeing of our economy.

Therefore, it is a national interest.

Actually, it's not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, therefore it's a state and local interest.

Alright. Let's see how well the US competes with other countries with an uneducated population.

 

[Avatar4321]

According to a BusinessWeek analysis, college graduates aged 22 to 27 have fared worse than their older educated peers during the downturn. Two years ago, 84.4% of young grads had jobs, only somewhat lower than the 86.8% figure for college graduates aged 28 to 50. Since then, the employment gap between the two groups has almost doubled.

The Lost Generation - BusinessWeek

EDUCATION is NOT the problem.

This ECONOMY is the problem.

Actually, education is the problem.

Too many people are educated into thinking that someone else is responsible for their life. Too many people presume that because they have a degree, the world somehow owes them something. That they are somehow better than others. More intelligent than others.

That simply isn't true.

Pride is destroying our nation. It's time we humbled ourselves and did what needed to be done. It's time we fulfilled our responsibilities rather than demand others to do what we should be doing.

 

[Avatar4321]

How can magical creationists and climate change deniers insist they are "pro" science?

Tell me, if you're so pro science. Why are you so afraid to look at the data? Why lie about it? Why do you have to attempt to caricature your opposition? Why do you have to pretend there are no intelligent viewpoints other than your own?

Why is it your "pro" science agenda is taking us back to the dark ages?

 

[Avatar4321]

How can magical creationists and climate change deniers insist they are "pro" science?

You mean like people who have won the Nobel Prize for Physics? They would not be "pro" science?

Not if they disagree with rdean.

The audacity of someone who wins the Nobel Prize to pretend he is a scientist! Everyone knows only liberals can be scientists.

 

[Avatar4321]

With all this certainty you would think that ONE piece of evidence could be put fourth about this fake war on education. Why don't you try and actually get some.

Are you blind to the war on teachers, textbooks, science, evolution...etc...?

Are you deaf to the call for proof or even an example. The ones you attempted to give were already torn to pieces. Since you cannot show anything you default to assuming you are right and it is so obvious. Try actually showing this 'war.'

Please "educated" people don't need to actually back up their research. We should all believe them merely because they say so and they are the self proclaimed "educated".

 

[WatertheTree]

You can't buy your way out of dumb, RDean, no matter how much money is thrown at you.

School districts had total expenditures of approximately $596.6 billion in 2007–08, including about $506.8 billion in current expenditures for public elementary and secondary education. Of the remaining expenditures, nearly $65.8 billion was spent on capital outlay, almost $15.7 billion on interest payments on debt, and $8.3 billion on other programs (including programs such as community services and adult education, which are not a part of public elementary and secondary education).

After adjustment for inflation, current expenditures per student in fall enrollment at public schools rose during the 1980s, remained stable during the first part of the 1990s, and rose again after 1992–93. There was an increase of 37 percent from 1980–81 to 1990–91; a change of less than 1 percent from 1990–91 to 1994–95 (which resulted from small decreases at the beginning of this period, followed by small increases after 1992–93); and an increase of 32 percent from 1994–95 to 2007–08. In 2007–08, current expenditures per student in fall enrollment were $10,297 in unadjusted dollars. In 2007–08, some 55 percent of students in public schools were transported at public expense at a cost of $854 per pupil transported, also in unadjusted dollars.

Money doesn't seem to be working.

Start with teaching your children some values at home

Did this account for increase in attendence? Is it per capita? would love to know.

 

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We still have the best, but nearly all are Democrat.

Go sweep the parking lot, Democrat....And clean the damn toilets before you leave, Democrat!

That's because Democrats will work for an education. The Republican base lives off Social Security and Medicare. Look at Republican get togethers. It's a "depends" party.

So you hate the poor, the self made, and the elderly.

Who else do you hate rdean? You seem to hate everyone you accuse Republicans of hating. But your words betray you. You really need to let go of your pride and humble yourself or you will be humbled.

 

[Avatar4321]

Conservatives have a dim view of education because they believe it indoctrinates young people with liberalism.

Dim view? Quite the opposite.

We love education. We believe in educating ourselves.

What we have a dim view of is that idea that merely sitting in a class and somehow managing to get a piece of paper means you actually know anything. While those who constantly study and learn through experience as well are idiots.

Ive been to graduate school. While alot of my fellow students were bright, alot of them were incredibly stupid. I had to edit a paper of a fellow student who was a year ahead of me. It was the most incoherent, directionless paper I've ever read. The guy literally had a paragraph that lasted 2 pages. He may have had a great topic. He might have had some excellent points, but the poor structure, the inability to coherently put the thoughts together made it impossible to read.

My personal thoughts are that someone who is about to graduate from a graduate school should be able to write a paper coherently.

Socrates said that true wisdom consists of knowing that you know nothing. In other words, in order to truely learn you need to recognize how little you know. That's probably why those who think they are intelligent and better than others because they have a degree or went to a class are usually incredibly stupid people.

 

[Avatar4321]

We live in a time where it is better to have more than one skill.

Is there a time when having multiple skills isn't a benefit?

 

[NYcarbineer]

We spend a fortune on education and the kids are becoming dumber.
The lib response is and it's the same response for anything that's wrong...
We need to spend more money on it ....

Cutting education simply isn't an option. However, the system needs to be restructured immediately.

Actually, it very much is an option. Because funding does not equal results.

Then let's cut defense by about 50% and make it twice as good.

 

[Avatar4321]

Wow, a lot of right wingers sure complain about schools and how bad they are. And look at what they are doing to improve schools. Introducing "magical creation", calling scientists liars and insisting science is a "faith". They threw away a trillion dollars rebuilding a country that shouts "Death to America", but don't want to spend a dollar here.

The party with the fringe on top has gone bonkers.

Rdean. I know this is difficult for you to understand for some reason, but when scientists have been proven to have manufactured, manipulated, and ignored data, they are in fact liars.

And contrary to your opinion. God doesn't work through magic.

 

[Avatar4321]

Cutting education simply isn't an option. However, the system needs to be restructured immediately.

Actually, it very much is an option. Because funding does not equal results.

Then let's cut defense by about 50% and make it twice as good.

I think it's very doable.

 

[Photonic]

Conservatives have a dim view of education because they believe it indoctrinates young people with liberalism.

Dim view? Quite the opposite.

We love education. We believe in educating ourselves.

What we have a dim view of is that idea that merely sitting in a class and somehow managing to get a piece of paper means you actually know anything. While those who constantly study and learn through experience as well are idiots.

Ive been to graduate school. While alot of my fellow students were bright, alot of them were incredibly stupid. I had to edit a paper of a fellow student who was a year ahead of me. It was the most incoherent, directionless paper I've ever read. The guy literally had a paragraph that lasted 2 pages. He may have had a great topic. He might have had some excellent points, but the poor structure, the inability to coherently put the thoughts together made it impossible to read.

My personal thoughts are that someone who is about to graduate from a graduate school should be able to write a paper coherently.

Socrates said that true wisdom consists of knowing that you know nothing. In other words, in order to truely learn you need to recognize how little you know. That's probably why those who think they are intelligent and better than others because they have a degree or went to a class are usually incredibly stupid people.

I'm starting to get what your point is. You don't believe in the establishment of education as a means of elevating an individual?

Believe it or not, we are on the same side if that is the case.

 

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Go sweep the parking lot, Democrat....And clean the damn toilets before you leave, Democrat!

That's because Democrats will work for an education. The Republican base lives off Social Security and Medicare. Look at Republican get togethers. It's a "depends" party.

If that where true the democrats would be doing what they could to either reform or do away with such entitlements, but nope, they defend them to the death, because it is the democrat base that rely on such handouts and will vote democrat accordingly as long as they are promised more.

You expect him to be honest?

Rdean probably takes more government handouts than anyone on this board.

 

[Avatar4321]

When we lived in a crappy school district, we did.

And let me guess: Public school education for "u"?

private parochial okay with you? or do u find fault in everything?
Public education is okay, but I don't like all the violence

where did u go to school?

I went to hard knocks university, and came out without a bruise.

bruises heal though.

 

[Avatar4321]

Education is vital to the wellbeing of our economy.

Therefore, it is a national interest.

Actually, it's not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, therefore it's a state and local interest.

Alright. Let's see how well the US competes with other countries with an uneducated population.

How many other countries have an screwed up system where you send all your money into Washington just so politicians can play with it and give them back to the states when it would be much more cost effective to leave the money in the hands of individuals and the States and allow decisions effecting the education of our children in the hands of parents and the local governments instead of some bueaucrat in Washington?

We also need to start teaching our society that education is a privilege you have to work for, not an entitltement that can be handed to you. Education cannot be forced upon people. Life would be much easier if it could.

 

[Avatar4321]

Education is vital to the wellbeing of our economy.

Therefore, it is a national interest.

Actually, it's not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, therefore it's a state and local interest.

Alright. Let's see how well the US competes with other countries with an uneducated population.

I think we'd compete much better as a nation who needed to work hard than one who arrogantly thinks we don't have to work hard at all because we are so much more "educated" than everyone else.

Pride destroys people. Unfortunately, people who presume they are educated when they know little are very proud.

 

[Moonglow]

How many other countries have an screwed up system where you send all your money into Washington

well since other countries are not in the USA, I'd say none.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm starting to get what your point is. You don't believe in the establishment of education as a means of elevating an individual?

Believe it or not, we are on the same side if that is the case.

Oh I believe it. I've found that once you get passed the rhetoric and figure out what the other person is trying to say, we are much more likely to be agreeing with the goals even if we don't agree with the means.

 

[oreo]

Some in this country are fighting education. Especially science. Without an education, what kind of jobs will be available? Or don't people care?

LINK? Who's fighting education and science?