US education—How do you define manure?

[Winco]

This seems like pure trolling. Where do you get he doesn't care? He spent a lot of time trying to help students. Did you?

I get the trolling constantly from CandyAss....concerned American.
He gets off on trolling Public School Teachers, and he always tells me, (I'm a math teacher) that I'm the reason Johnny can't read.

He makes no sense, but as an Old Man, ready for that NAP, I'll allow him his dying wishes.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Becoming a medical doctor should only be on the job training?

If Students Aren't Paid, We Get What We Pay For

Any country that pays students for their grades will lead this century's world economy. Preparation is the most important part of production.

Free tuition won't improve things; the student will still live like a young adult who is afraid to grow up, a slacker. Those who don't realize that the present system is an insult to talent don't have any talent themselves and want to punish those who do.

 

[initforme]

And also frankly, as a public teacher he gets paid the same either way

Good. I support that.

 

[Mac-7]

Good. I support that.

You would

 

[DGS49]

I guess there is little agreement on what the "product" of an American K-12 education should be. In my view, public HS grads should...

• be verbally and arithmetically literate, able to embark on full-time employment that requires an ability to read simple instructions and comprehend them, and to do routine mathematical tasks as required,
• understand basic American Civics…the different roles of the Federal and State governments, and the different functions of the three branches of government,
• be able to use computers and the internet to find needed information for work or life,
• know the basics of American history, from pre-Columbus through…let's say…Barak Obama; should be able to sequence and know our adversaries in, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, & WWII, and be aware of the Korean War and the Vietnam War,
• know what slavery is, when it existed in the U.S., when it ended and why it no longer exists,
• know who is the current President and VP, State Governor, and Mayor of the largest nearby city, and
• know the basics of world Geography; as a minimum know what countries and the major bodies of water border the U.S., and place most other countries in the correct continent.

If public HS grads don't know these things, the school has failed them. The State has failed us. Because as a general proposition, for better or worse, they are able to vote in State and national elections.

 

[Jarlaxle]

If Students Aren't Paid, We Get What We Pay For

Any country that pays students for their grades will lead this century's world economy. Preparation is the most important part of production.

Free tuition won't improve things; the student will still live like a young adult who is afraid to grow up, a slacker. Those who don't realize that the present system is an insult to talent don't have any talent themselves and want to punish those who do.

You need 90 days observaation.

 

[Manonthestreet]

No toilet paper for you!!

 

[Woodznutz]

My brother was a certified welder. When he retired he answered and ad for Daytona State College as a welding instructor. He became involved in helping to build their welding program. He got pomoted and became a leading teacher. But after ten years he is giving it up because out of every class of 25 only about 4 actually progress to become certified welders. The problem? The kids lack basic math skills. When I say basic, I mean that. Many have no undstanding of fractions or even simple addition or subtraction. He brought it up and was told to just move them along. He is giving it up.

In our world it is ok to be a jack of all trades with a wide understanding of many things. But you need to be the master of one so you can fall back on it when you are useful to society. Remember in school when you had to do all that math in your head? 2x2=4, 3x3=9, 4x4=16? That is not being done today in too many schools. It is racist aparently.

Mike Rowe has been alerting us to this for a long time. Education has got to get back to basics.

A.I. will make it worse. All the "thinking" needed has been packaged into giant servers.

 

[Woodznutz]

"College-educated" is a fictitious term that connotes people who were not educated before they attended college, but somehow gained intelligence by the experience.

I'm a resident manager with many graduate student tenants. As a group they are a very troubled bunch.