Why would Putin not want a cease fire while a long term peace agreement is finalized.

[ElmerMudd]

Ok...then you tell me, how many deaths from the invasion of a sovereign nation on your border before it actually becomes wrong?

One, invading a sovereign nation is wrong. Everyting done after the invasion is wrong.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Define 'help', what is that specifically?

make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering one's services or resources.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Let's see the list of exactly what you would do to 'kick his ass'?

Have Trum stop falling all over himself in praising Putin. He sounds like a little kid who just met his sports hero.
Forcefully say that Russia invaded Ukraine and that is wrong.
Up all economic sanctions both direct and secodary sanctions.
Demand a cease fire. If it does not happen "make Putin pay the price" like Trump has said he would do many times but he has not done anything.
Show a unified front with Nato and all european nations.
Provide offensive weapons.

Pressure on Russia not praise.

 

[ElmerMudd]

How much $$$$ do you think Zelen$ky and company have stashed away in some offshore accounts?

I don't know. Do you know?

 

[ElmerMudd]

The op asked the question. I answered.

The reality I described, is the real reality.


MAGA, is the only player that wants PEACE.

Everyone else wants VICTORY, and is happy to pay as many lives as it takes to get it, UKRAINIAN LIVES.


That is the crux of the issue. That is the reality.

Ukrain wanting an invading country to pull back from it's invasion is not victory. Anything less than that is a victory for Russia.
It appears it will be a victory for Russia but what they take away must be limied to limit the victory. We don't want to give pariah nations of the world they can invade anyone they want, it is none of the US's business.

 

[OldFlame]

make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering one's services or resources.

That's what I figured, thanks for confirming that you're a blow hard with nothing of consequence to provide regarding a real solution.

 

[OldFlame]

Have Trum stop falling all over himself in praising Putin. He sounds like a little kid who just met his sports hero.
Forcefully say that Russia invaded Ukraine and that is wrong.
Up all economic sanctions both direct and secodary sanctions.
Demand a cease fire. If it does not happen "make Putin pay the price" like Trump has said he would do many times but he has not done anything.
Show a unified front with Nato and all european nations.
Provide offensive weapons.

Pressure on Russia not praise.

All of that has been done, do you have internet or a tv??

The 'praise' and 'falling all over himself' is purely subjective bullshit that you spout because you don't like Trump. Only you and your TDS brethren have that 'opinion'.

 

[OldFlame]

I don't know. Do you know?

So you think he's not profited from this war?

 

[g5000]

Putin does not want a peace agreement. He wants the Ukraine because he believes it's part of Russia. As Putin said in an economic forum in St. Petersburg, " “I have said many times that I consider the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours,” Putin told forum guests. “We have an old rule. Wherever a Russian soldier sets foot is ours.”

And the MAGA cult echoes this exact same mindset.

.

 

[ElmerMudd]

That's what I figured, thanks for confirming that you're a blow hard with nothing of consequence to provide regarding a real solution.

I defined help for you. Most people know the meaning by 1st grade.

 

[ElmerMudd]

So you think he's not profited from this war?

I told you, I DON'T KNOW.

 

[ElmerMudd]

All of that has been done, do you have internet or a tv??

The 'praise' and 'falling all over himself' is purely subjective bullshit that you spout because you don't like Trump. Only you and your TDS brethren have that 'opinion'.

It is actions, or lack of actions.
Trump has threatened severe consequences if Putin does not actively pursue peace.
Putin is increasing his attacks on Ukraine.
Trump does nothing.

 

[Flopper]

Putin can talk about history but he wants Ukraine for the resources it brings Russia. It is the bread basket of the region. He is focusinng on the port regions that help the Russian economy. Like all despots he wants more of everything. He will never be happy. He will continue to go after more.

Probably so. However, he does have a very strong sense of History, particularly the history of the Russian empire. Although he was raised a communist, he has little interest in socialism. He is best described as a an authoritarian who favors capitalism as an economic system. He has no use for democratic goverment and believes that the strength of a nation does not lie with the people but rather the leadership.

 

[Flopper]

The Russians are losing a million soldiers -- a day!

Putin probably remembers when Ukrai(CIA)ne used the last "peace talks" to strike at Russia strategic bomber fleet, again trying to provoke WWIII

Russian military losses in the ongoing war in Ukraine are considered exceptionally high, with some reports estimating nearly one million casualties (killed or wounded) and hundreds of thousands of deaths, surpassing the combined total of all Russian and Soviet conflicts after World War II.

However, Russia is able to reconstitute it's forces rapidly, relying on older and younger soldiers, and allies such as North Korea and China. Trump's tariff war with China and his sanctions on Russia are pushing China and Russia closer together.

The Chinese military with a 2 million man army, the largest in the world with no war to fight will likely assign some of it's forces to Russia for use in the Ukraine if the the war continues. The deuterating relations between the US and China is good news for Russia.

 

[Flopper]

Are you kidding? The Stalinist war criminal could not care less how many Russians die for him.

He intends to conquer as much Ukrainian territory as possible for as long as Trump lets him get away with it.

Putin believes he can beat Ukraine into submission and will kill as many of their men, women, and children as it takes.

Unlike Trump, Putin has 5 years left of his term in office and he is eligible for two more terms. With his party's strength in the Federal Assembly and his popularity among voters, he will likely be in office a very long time. What this means is he has plenty of time to deal with Ukraine. Trump at best, has only a few years.

According to the transcript of the meeting released by the Russian Defense Ministry, Dong stated that China would continue to support Russia on the 'Ukraine issue', and despite pressure from the United States and the European Union, "China will not abandon its established policies." Deteriorating relations between the US and China could be very helpful to Russia if they need more ground troops.

 

[Correll]

Ukrain wanting an invading country to pull back from it's invasion is not victory. Anything less than that is a victory for Russia.
...

That's stupid word games.

Zelenski wants to push Russia out of all ukrainian territory and if he gets that, that will be, would be a huge victory for him and for ukraine.

Denying that is ******* retarded.


That would be great. And Just. And wonderful.


The only question is, how likely is that to happen and what will the cost be, in ukrainian lives?


That is what the pro-war left doesn't want to discuss.

You will now pivot away from any discussion of hte cost, by one of several standard leftard asshole moves.


1. Appeal to Emotion, pity for ukrain.

2. Red baiting.

3. Retarded rhetorical ploys.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Europe can deal with it. Its in their backyard.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's stupid word games.

Zelenski wants to push Russia out of all ukrainian territory and if he gets that, that will be, would be a huge victory for him and for ukraine.

Denying that is ******* retarded.


That would be great. And Just. And wonderful.


The only question is, how likely is that to happen and what will the cost be, in ukrainian lives?


That is what the pro-war left doesn't want to discuss.

You will now pivot away from any discussion of hte cost, by one of several standard leftard asshole moves.


1. Appeal to Emotion, pity for ukrain.

2. Red baiting.

3. Retarded rhetorical ploys.

It is highly unlikely that Zelensky and the Ukrainian military would be able to push the Russian military out of Ukraine. They can win battles here and there, but Moscow has too much in the way of arms and money to buy more arms. I see two possible ways for Ukraine to end up Russia-free:

1) Putin dies and his successor turns out be chosen from a cabal of Russians that have been wanting to get out of Ukraine.

2) Other countries send forces to Ukraine and they push the Ruskies out.

The first is possible, but it would be blind luck. If the second were going to happen, why hasn't it happened already?

This war may outlast the gulf wars, so long as the arms industry keeps making money from it.

 

[JWBooth]

Other than crossing a lightly defended border at Kursk taking an area smaller than an East Texas county, what was Ukraine’s last battlefield victory? They’ve been kicked out of Kursk and the Russians threaten Sumy. Elsewhere the Ukes are involved in a slow rolling advance on the Dnieper, with Russian encouragement. Between death, desertion, and expatriation their army cannot begin to fill its ranks. Speaking of ranks, the ranks of Western defenders of Zelenskyy’s dictatorship also are thinning rapidly.
To think any of this is to be reversed is deluded.

 

[ElmerMudd]

That's stupid word games.

Zelenski wants to push Russia out of all ukrainian territory and if he gets that, that will be, would be a huge victory for him and for ukraine.

Denying that is ******* retarded.


That would be great. And Just. And wonderful.


The only question is, how likely is that to happen and what will the cost be, in ukrainian lives?


That is what the pro-war left doesn't want to discuss.

You will now pivot away from any discussion of hte cost, by one of several standard leftard asshole moves.


1. Appeal to Emotion, pity for ukrain.

2. Red baiting.

3. Retarded rhetorical ploys.

You are the type person the Russians love. You are disgusting. I think you know you are disgusting.