Why would Putin not want a cease fire while a long term peace agreement is finalized.

[ElmerMudd]

This is 100% propaganda.

Crazy propaganda.

It is also anti-anthropological.

The motivations of societies are universal.

Your reality and mine are different. To compare NAZI Germany and Switzerland as the same is nuts.

 

[Missourian]

The Bay of Pigs was a handful of untrained mercineries that failed. The US realized the mistake. End of story.
How can you compare that to an invasion that has taken hundreds of thousand lives. You can't.

You are dangerously ignorant.

Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

You are dangerously ignorant.

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That doesnt debunk what he said.

Yes, the invading force was almost completely mercenaries (Cuban exiles).

 

[Missourian]

Your reality and mine are different. To compare NAZI Germany and Switzerland as the same is nuts.

The difference is my reality is fact based.

Yours is propaganda derived.

Like this line about Germany and Switzerland. I have mentioned neither nor even eluded to them obliquely. That was a divergent manifestation of your imagination.

 

[Flopper]

Putins back is against the wall he is all bluster and threats. Sanction him and wreck his economy

Sanction have a mixed record of effectiveness. They can be successful in achieving limited policy changes or influencing behavior, but they often fail to achieve larger goals like halting military action. Sanctions can also have unintended consequences, harming the civilian population of the targeted country and potentially strengthening the targeted regime.

Putin is playing the long game because his party, United Russia has a strong control of the Federal assembly and he is very popular with voters. Putin has 5 years in office and is eligible for 2 more terms. Long after Trump starts puttering around his golf course, Putin will still be controlling Russia. So if it take Putin 5 or 10 years to get what he wants, he has the time. Trump does not.

 

[ElmerMudd]

You are dangerously ignorant.

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Not even close to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not one USA military member was part of the actual invasion. The idea was not for the USA to take over Cuba. The group felt the Cuban locals would rise up with them and the Cubans would take over the government. Similar to what happened in Iran.

 

[ElmerMudd]

The difference is my reality is fact based.

Yours is propaganda derived.

Like this line about Germany and Switzerland. I have mentioned neither nor even eluded to them obliquely. That was a divergent manifestation of your imagination.

I was responding to your comment "The motivations of societies are universal.".
Not true.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Of course not, that is in no way comparable to the forced shearing off of Kosovo from Serbia after bombing the shit out of the Serbs, or creating South Sudan out of thin air.

Educate yourself
South Sudan gained its independence from Sudan on July 9, 2011, following a referendum where the majority of South Sudanese voters chose to secede.

Serbia was a group action to stop ethnic cleansing
the U.S. was part of NATO's bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999, which targeted Serbia and Montenegro. The bombing campaign, known as Operation Allied Force, was initiated to halt Serbian military actions in Kosovo, specifically the ethnic cleansing of Kosovar Albanians. The bombing campaign lasted for 78 days, from March 24 to June 10, 1999.

 

[Missourian]

You are dangerously

Not even close to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Because we got caught and backed down. There was supposed to be support from the air and the Navy. That was the plan. We trained them. We completed the initial bombing runs with B-52s. We funded the entire operation.

And you better believe it was our intention to prop up a figurehead government and run things from Washington.

How many times do you have to see it too believe it.

WE propped up the Shah of Iran. The people who rose up... THEY ROSE UP AGAINST OUR GUY!!!

We backed the overthrow of the duly elected Prime Minister of Iran Mossedegh and reinstated the Shah.

Kinda like we backed the overthrow of the duly elected President of Ukraine so we could get our guy, a pro-western leader, back in power.

This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you are dangerously ignorant.

Learn a little history. Then come back and argue from a position of wisdom.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Because we got caught and backed down. There was supposed to be support from the air and the Navy. That was the plan. We trained them. We completed the initial bombing runs with B-52s. We funded the entire operation.

And you better believe it was our intention to prop up a figurehead government and run things from Washington.

How many times do you have to see it too believe it.

WE propped up the Shah of Iran. The people who rose up... THEY ROSE UP AGAINST OUR GUY!!!

We backed the overthrow of the duly elected Prime Minister of Iran Mossedegh and reinstated the Shah.

Kinda like we backed the overthrow of the duly elected President of Ukraine so we could get our guy, a pro-western leader, back in power.

This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you are dangerously ignorant.

Learn a little history. Then come back and argue from a position of wisdom.

You, probably, think jay walking and grand larceny are the same because they are both crimes.

 

[Missourian]

I was responding to your comment "The motivations of societies are universal.".
Not true.

Generally it's true.

Hitler's Germany was the direct result of the sanctions and reparations demanded after WWI.

With Hyperinflation the population was desperate.

If the Swiss had their backs against the wall and a wheelbarrow full of money was more useful to burn than it was to purchase goods, they may well have taken a similar path behind a sociopathic but effective leader.

I can give you the universal idiom right off the top of my head.

'Any port in a storm.'

 

[Missourian]

You, probably, think jay walking and grand larceny are the same because they are both crimes.

↑↑↑ Tell me you've lost the debate without telling me you've lost the debate.

Would you agree with this statement...If you steal a dollar or a billion dollars, you're still a thief.

 

[Missourian]

Would you agree with this statement...If you steal a dollar or a billion dollars, you're still a thief.

Since you didn't answer, I'll ask the follow up question. What is the number of people killed in a planned invasion of a sovereign neighboring country before it becomes wrong?

 

[ElmerMudd]

↑↑↑ Tell me you've lost the debate without telling me you've lost the debate.

Would you agree with this statement...If you steal a dollar or a billion dollars, you're still a thief.

yes, but there is a difference between someone stealing a dollar and one who steals a billion dollars.
If you don't see that, you are incapable of critical thinking

 

[Missourian]

yes, but there is a difference between someone stealing a dollar and one who steals a billion dollars.
If you don't see that, you are incapable of critical thinking

Ok...then you tell me, how many deaths from the invasion of a sovereign nation on your border before it actually becomes wrong?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are dangerously ignorant.

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There was no U.S. support for the Bay of Pigs. The CIA convinced Eisenhower that the Cuban people would rise up and support the exiles when they invaded. Kennedy didn’t believe the CIA and withdrew all American support BEFORE the invasion was launched. His plan was to support a successful invasion or let an unsuccessful one fail.

 

[Missourian]

There was no U.S. support for the Bay of Pigs. The CIA convinced Eisenhower that the Cuban people would rise up and support the exiles when they invaded. Kennedy didn’t believe the CIA and withdrew all American support BEFORE the invasion was launched. His plan was to support a successful invasion or let an unsuccessful one fail.

That's not the way I remember it.

The Bay of Pigs Invasion: An American Fiasco - The Institute of World Politics

Above: A counter-attack by Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces supported by T-34 tanks near Playa Giron during the Bay of Pigs invasion, 19 April 1961.

www.iwp.edu

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Are your fingers broke?


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Yes, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials have repeatedly stated concerns that Hamas would use a ceasefire to rearm and regroup in the Gaza Strip
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Netanyahu has emphasized that Israel insists on Hamas being disarmed and that Israel enforces the demilitarization of the Strip over time through continuous action against any attempt at rearmament or organization by any terror group. He has also stated that Hamas's demand for Israel to fully exit Gaza, including the Philadelphi Corridor, would enable Hamas to regroup, rearm, and attack Israel again

You are so fucked up, you just proved yourself wrong!

You said Israel took advantage of the cease-fire to rearm! You don't even know what you stated when I disagreed with you!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Because we got caught and backed down. There was supposed to be support from the air and the Navy. That was the plan. We trained them. We completed the initial bombing runs with B-52s. We funded the entire operation.

And you better believe it was our intention to prop up a figurehead government and run things from Washington.

How many times do you have to see it too believe it.

WE propped up the Shah of Iran. The people who rose up... THEY ROSE UP AGAINST OUR GUY!!!

We backed the overthrow of the duly elected Prime Minister of Iran Mossedegh and reinstated the Shah.

Kinda like we backed the overthrow of the duly elected President of Ukraine so we could get our guy, a pro-western leader, back in power.

This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you are dangerously ignorant.

Learn a little history. Then come back and argue from a position of wisdom.

You are completely wrong. The only air support the invaders had were sixteen Douglas B-26 Invaders and four Marti. B-26 Marauder bombers plus four Hawker Sea Fury fighter bombers. A few minutes of research would have stopped you from looking like an idiot.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's not the way I remember it.

The Bay of Pigs Invasion: An American Fiasco - The Institute of World Politics

Above: A counter-attack by Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces supported by T-34 tanks near Playa Giron during the Bay of Pigs invasion, 19 April 1961.

www.iwp.edu

Then you remember wrong.