Eventual Universal Salvation, Applied Multiverse Theory and "inexpressible and unlawful words" given to Paul.

Could Paul have been referring to the Ezekiel 37 resurrection being done many times?

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I know that when I die and I meet with the Being of Light of near death experience fame
I will answer for every word that I speak, and write, and what I feel that I must write at this
time is playing with fire.

What did the Apostle Paul mean by "heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter?"

I believe that finally in our time period a pretty good speculation can be pieced together that may well help to understand what Paul meant by this. I believe that Paul had a near death experience, [perhaps at the time that he had been stoned and "appeared to be dead." That was at Lystra.


1It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me." [2 Corinthians 12:1 - 5]

For beginners I do believe that Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven are Paul, two or three years after he wrote 2 Corinthians, beginning to elaborate at least somewhat on what he meant by "heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter?"

Romans 9

1I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Romans chapter eleven gives us a lot to think about.

28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
[Romans 11]

And now to leave you with an interesting idea from a near death experiencer that we may eventually find out fits with all of this?

[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason] :

h. Who goes to heaven?​

In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher realms of heaven. If we do not practice love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.

Lots of things! Individuals are laughing, relaxing and enjoying one another’s company. Some are off working together in pairs (or larger), so that they might bring a new concept or idea, or accomplish a divinely intended goal for the planet. Some are off to themselves reflecting in far away, peaceful places and learning how to work with and trust the power they hold within them. Others form close-knit groups and enjoy learning together as they are taught by various loving, advanced teachers and guides of spirit. The Realm is a real happening place I can tell you that! I always laugh when I think of society’s image of heaven as little cherubs sitting around playing harps on clouds. Ahhhh … it’s a whole lot more intense than that!


Messiah Yeshua - Jesus gave a ONE SENTENCE message to near death experiencer John J. Davis that could well help to make sense out of all of this?

John J. Davis :

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”

Ever since then, I’ve been doing what Jesus asked me to do. I’ve been telling people that something happens after we pass, and it’s something absolutely beautiful. There is so much hope and so much joy, which we forget about here because life can be very hard.

There are a lot of hard times in life, and we are not supposed to remember the other side. But when you see someone who has had these experiences, it gives you hope. There is a reason for all of this. It’s all real, and we live for eternity. There is really no end. When people cross over and leave us here, they are not gone from us—we will see them again.



"The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.
In the latter days you will understand it perfectly." [Jeremiah 23:20]
 
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I know that when I die and I meet with the Being of Light of near death experience fame
I will answer for every word that I speak, and write, and what I feel that I must write at this
time is playing with fire.

What did the Apostle Paul mean by "heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter?"

I believe that finally in our time period a pretty good speculation can be pieced together that may well help to understand what Paul meant by this. I believe that Paul had a near death experience, [perhaps at the time that he had been stoned and "appeared to be dead." That was at Lystra.




For beginners I do believe that Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven are Paul, two or three years after he wrote 2 Corinthians, beginning to elaborate at least somewhat on what he meant by "heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter?"



Romans chapter eleven gives us a lot to think about.



And now to leave you with an interesting idea from a near death experiencer that we may eventually find out fits with all of this?



Messiah Yeshua - Jesus gave a ONE SENTENCE message to near death experiencer John J. Davis that could well help to make sense out of all of this?




"The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.
In the latter days you will understand it perfectly." [Jeremiah 23:20]
The question is how do we know this is not the “Deceiver” at work, While he can’t take Isa’s pbuh form, he can take others.
 
Wonder what Carlton Pearson would have to say.

You are correct that Pastor Carlton Pearson might just tend to take this idea very seriously. Thank you for letting me know about him and his Theology that is a lot like my own.

Carlton D'Metrius Pearson (March 19, 1953 – November 19, 2023) was an American Christian minister and gospel music artist.<a href="Carlton Pearson - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> At one time, he was the pastor of the Higher Dimensions Evangelistic Center Incorporated, later named the Higher Dimensions Family Church, which was one of the largest churches in Tulsa, Oklahoma. During the 1990s, it grew to an average attendance of over 6,000.

Due to his stated belief in universal reconciliation, Pearson rapidly began to lose his influence in ministry with the Joint College of African-American Pentecostal Bishops and was eventually declared a heretic by his peers in 2004.<a href="Carlton Pearson - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

Carlton D'Metrius Pearson was born on March 19, 1953, in San Diego, California.<a href="Carlton Pearson - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a><a href="Carlton Pearson - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> He attended Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, where he was mentored by Oral Roberts, and sang with the World Action Singers, later becoming an associate evangelist with the Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association. He was licensed and ordained in the Church of God in Christ.<a href="Carlton Pearson - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

Along with Dr. Frederick K. C. Price Sr., he was at one time one of only two African-American ministers to host a weekly national television preaching show, reaching hundreds of thousands to millions of people weekly, and has been credited as being one of the first black ministers to hold major conferences in arenas and stadiums across the country.

Pearson was also the host of the AZUSA Conference in Tulsa. Pearson was also a traveling evangelist, holding two-day revivals across the continent. Pearson also gave many up-and-coming ministers and singers national exposure and a global audience, including T. D. Jakes, Joyce Meyer, and Donnie McClurkin.

Pearson was subsequently the senior minister of Christ Universal Temple, a large New Thought congregation in Chicago, Illinois; head of New Dimensions gathering in Chicago; and an affiliate minister at Tulsa's All Souls Unitarian Church
 
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The question is how do we know this is not the “Deceiver” at work, While he can’t take Isa’s pbuh form, he can take others.

That is an excellent question. The only way to tell the "Deceiver" and the work of the Deceiver, is to have a close relationship with the Holy Spirit who The Prophet Isa, [Messiah Yeshua - Jesus promised to send to all of us].

I highly recommend the book about what Jesus taught near death experiencer Robert Marshall during the forty three hours and twenty eight minutes that Jesus taught Robert Marshall. Over these past few weeks I have listened to this over and over and over again, because each time that I listen to him I notice some things that I missed in the last listen.



Here is the background information about the near death experience of Robert Marshall and his wife Carol who prayed fervently for her husband to be healed... and her husband was totally HEALED AND RESURRECTED somewhat like Lazarus.


Here is a quotation from Pastor Rick Joyner who wrote "The Final Quest" "The Call" and "The Torch and the Sword" after a series of visionary dreams given to him in 1995. What Pastor Rick Joyner wrote about the Power of The Word is one important part of why I arrived at the conclusion that Jesus will use an essentially INFINITE NUMBER OF EZEKIEL CHAPTER THIRTY SEVEN EVENTS... to save more and more and more and more of the "Lost?"


[Pastor Rick Joyner]

The Power of His Word

“You seek to know and walk in My power so that you can heal the sick and perform miracles, but you have not even begun to comprehend the power of My word. To resurrect all the dead who have ever lived on earth will not even cause Me to strain. I uphold all things by the power of My word. The creation exists because of My word, and it is held together by My word.

“Before the end, I will reveal My power on earth. Even so, the greatest power that I have ever revealed on the earth, or ever will, is still a very small demonstration of My power I do not reveal My power to cause men to believe in My power, but to cause men to believe in My love.

“If I had wanted to save the world with My power when I walked the earth, I could have moved mountains by pointing a finger Then all men would have bowed to Me, but not because they loved Me or loved the truth, but because they feared My power I do not want men to obey Me because they fear My power, but because they love Me and love the truth.

“If you do not know My love, then My power will corrupt you. I do not give you love so you can know My power, but I give you power so that you can know My love. The goal of your life must be love, not power Then I will give you power with which to love people. I will give you the power to heal the sick because you love them, and I love them, and I do not want them sick.

“So you must seek love first, and then faith. You cannot please Me without faith. But faith is not just the knowledge of My power, it is the knowledge of My love and the power of My love. Faith must first be exercised in order to receive more love. Seek faith to love more, and to do more with your love. Only when you seek the faith to love can I trust you with My power Faith works by love.

“My word is the power that upholds all things. To the degree that you believe My word is true, you can do all things. Those who really believe that My words are true, will also be true to their own words. It is My nature to be true, and the creation trusts My word because I am faithful to it.

“Those who are like Me are also true to their own words. Their word is sure, and their commitments are trustworthy. Their ‘yes’ means ‘yes,’ and their ‘no’ means ‘no.’ If your own words are not true, you will also begin to doubt My words, because deception is in your heart. If you are not faithful to your own words, it is because you do not really know Me. To have faith, you must be faithful. I have called you to walk by faith because I am faithful. It is My nature.

“That is why you will be judged because of the careless words you speak. To be careless is to care less. Words have power and those who are careless with words cannot be trusted with the power of My word. It is wisdom to be careful with your words, and to keep them as I do Mine.”

The Lord’s words were rolling over me like great waves from the sea. I felt like Job before the whirlwind. I thought that I was getting smaller and smaller, and then realized that He was getting larger. I had never felt so presumptuous. How could I have been so casual with God? I felt like an ant staring up at a mountain range. I was less than dust, yet He was taking the time to speak to me. I could not stand any more, and turned away.

After a few moments, I felt a reassuring hand on my shoulder. It was Wisdom. His glory was even greater now, but He was again my size. “Do you understand what happened just then?” He asked.

Knowing very well that when the Lord asks a question He is not seeking information, I began to ponder what had happened. I knew that it was reality. Compared to Him, I am less than a speck of dust would be to the earth, and for some reason He wanted me to experience that realization in a profound way.

Answering my thoughts, He elaborated:

“What you are thinking is true, but this comparison of man to God is not just in size. You began to experience the power of My words. To be entrusted with My words is to be entrusted with the power by which the universe is held together I did not do this to make you feel small, but to help you understand the seriousness and the power that with which you have been entrusted—the word of God.

“In all of your endeavors, remember that the importance of a single word from God to man is of more value than all of the treasures on earth. You must understand and teach My brethren to respect the value of My word. As one who is called to carry My words, you must also respect the value of your own words. Those who will carry the truth must be true.”

Meeting the Evangelist
[Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest]




Since the POWER of Jesus is now so great as to resurrect all of the dead who ever lived, we now can look at the resurrection of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven in a very new possible light?
[Ezekiel 37] :

1The hand of the Lord came upon me and brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones. 2Then He caused me to pass by them all around, and behold, there were very many in the open valley; and indeed they were very dry. 3And He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
So I answered, “O Lord God, You know.”
4Again He said to me, “Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5Thus says the Lord God to these bones: “Surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live. 6I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ ”
7So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and suddenly a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8Indeed, as I looked, the sinews and the flesh came upon them, and the skin covered them over; but there was no breath in them.
9Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” 10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
11Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”
You and I now know that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has the technological capability to go back in time and resurrect somebody like Jesus did for Robert Marshall in 2024? For all that I know..... all the events of the Book of Revelation may have already worked out.... but in our time line a new time line may have been created in 2024, when Robert Marshall was sent back with the astonishing message that he was given for all of us?

Robert Marshall's testimony is setting in motion a very new world, [in my opinion anyway].
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
 
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