Why we have to redistribute income through taxes

[Dad2three]

Anyone notice that when someone says that the wealthy need to "pay their fair share" of taxes, it is usually being said by someone who does not pay any income taxes? Yes, they may pay sales tax when they buy their rolling papers, and make Social Security and Medicare contributions while working their temp jobs for weed money. They may even pay a small amount of ad valorem tax on their 1995 Toyota Corolla. However, they do not pay income tax.

Obviously, these idiots cannot say how much is a "fair share". This is because there is no such thing as a "fair share". It is just populist politics. The leftist stoners and social losers got all charged up by their socialist professors and took to the street with the Occupy rallies, their feelings being hurt because they took out huge student loans but were unable to step right into a six figure salaried job out of college, with no experience required. They acted like rabid assholes. Moreover, they failed because their underlying messages were incoherent and not valid. But wait, the Democrats then pick up on this bullshit. Seeing how easily these young shitheads are manipulated they too started this income inequality thing.

Do you want to know how phony this bullshit is? If these assholes did get jobs out of college, paying their six figure salaries and utilizing their useless liberal arts degrees in women's studies and "The Basket Weaving Techniques of Southern Kosovo", then there would have been no Occupy. They would have all been happy little campers. This just goes to show you that this is all about money and expectations. They had no problems with all the perceived injustices they point out until they thought it affected them. Now they have to make tough, grown up decisions, like whether to buy gasoline or weed, or whether to buy e new IPhone or save their money.

Honestly, if my son had gotten into that Occupy/wealth disparity bullshit then I would have considered myself a total failure as a parent. It is narcissism, stupidity, ignorance, and entitlement mentality all rolled up into one psychosis. "Wealth redistribution"? Give me a ******* break. Do we really need to be debating this bullshit with these stupid, young shitheads? "I cannot find my perfect job, so the whole system is corrupt!!!!!!! I am being screwed over big time by The Man!!!!!!" This is not a social or political problem. This is a ******* mental problem.

90% of the Millennial generation is not worth a shit. Their existence is pointless. If I had my way we would sell off the little fuckers to Dubai as slave labor. Then, the next time they set foot in America, maybe they will have a Different mindset and appreciate what they had.






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Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know


Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know




The 47 percent figure does not mean we are near a tipping point. Most of the people included in that figure do make financial contributions to the federal government, and there is no reason to think that nonpayment of income taxes is turning millions of Americans liberal. The bad news is that worrying too much about this number will lead conservatives down an intellectual and political dead end.


According to the Tax Policy Center, provisions of the tax code that exempt subsistence levels of income from income taxes — the standard deduction, personal exemption, and dependent exemption — are the reason for about half of the tax filers who owe no income tax. Another large group of filers pays no income tax because its members are elderly and benefit from such features of the code as the non-taxation of some Social Security benefits. The tax credit for children and the earned-income tax credit, an effort to boost the pay of low-income workers, wipe out income-tax liability for other taxpayers. Those credits are “refundable,” meaning that beneficiaries can get money on top of paying no income tax. Other provisions of the code account for the rest of the 47 percent: education credits, the non-taxation of welfare payments, itemized deductions, and so on.

The Freeloader Myth | National Review Online





Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent


Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent




Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.



Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg

 

[itfitzme]

Does Oprah not pay her employees well enough to not be on the gvt assistance programs that we have to pay for? Does Beyonce?

Jailed? what are you rambling about????? Taxing someone at a higher rate is now jailing someone? NOTE! I am reading this thread from the end going backwards so maybe I will understand what your saying when I continue to read....???

Why are you deflecting from answering his question?
If huge incomes are obscene for CEOs then why not for Oprah and Beyonce, who are of course also CEOs?

The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says

Across the board, the more CEOs get paid, the worse their companies do over the next three years, according to extensive new research. This is true whether they’re CEOs at the highest end of the pay spectrum or the lowest. “The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance,” says one of the authors of the study, Michael Cooper of the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business.


The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says - Forbes

Thanks. And that is generally in line with labor economics. Contrary to popular belief, beyond a certain level, incentive to work decreases with increases wage. Taxing higj income earners creates an incentive to work more, not less.

 

[Dad2three]

Anyone notice that when someone says that the wealthy need to "pay their fair share" of taxes, it is usually being said by someone who does not pay any income taxes? Yes, they may pay sales tax when they buy their rolling papers, and make Social Security and Medicare contributions while working their temp jobs for weed money. They may even pay a small amount of ad valorem tax on their 1995 Toyota Corolla. However, they do not pay income tax.

Obviously, these idiots cannot say how much is a "fair share". This is because there is no such thing as a "fair share". It is just populist politics. The leftist stoners and social losers got all charged up by their socialist professors and took to the street with the Occupy rallies, their feelings being hurt because they took out huge student loans but were unable to step right into a six figure salaried job out of college, with no experience required. They acted like rabid assholes. Moreover, they failed because their underlying messages were incoherent and not valid. But wait, the Democrats then pick up on this bullshit. Seeing how easily these young shitheads are manipulated they too started this income inequality thing.

Do you want to know how phony this bullshit is? If these assholes did get jobs out of college, paying their six figure salaries and utilizing their useless liberal arts degrees in women's studies and "The Basket Weaving Techniques of Southern Kosovo", then there would have been no Occupy. They would have all been happy little campers. This just goes to show you that this is all about money and expectations. They had no problems with all the perceived injustices they point out until they thought it affected them. Now they have to make tough, grown up decisions, like whether to buy gasoline or weed, or whether to buy e new IPhone or save their money.

Honestly, if my son had gotten into that Occupy/wealth disparity bullshit then I would have considered myself a total failure as a parent. It is narcissism, stupidity, ignorance, and entitlement mentality all rolled up into one psychosis. "Wealth redistribution"? Give me a ******* break. Do we really need to be debating this bullshit with these stupid, young shitheads? "I cannot find my perfect job, so the whole system is corrupt!!!!!!! I am being screwed over big time by The Man!!!!!!" This is not a social or political problem. This is a ******* mental problem.

90% of the Millennial generation is not worth a shit. Their existence is pointless. If I had my way we would sell off the little fuckers to Dubai as slave labor. Then, the next time they set foot in America, maybe they will have a Different mindset and appreciate what they had.






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[Wyatt earp]

Statistics are morons with there charts like we give a funk

 

[Dad2three]

Why are you deflecting from answering his question?
If huge incomes are obscene for CEOs then why not for Oprah and Beyonce, who are of course also CEOs?

The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says

Across the board, the more CEOs get paid, the worse their companies do over the next three years, according to extensive new research. This is true whether they’re CEOs at the highest end of the pay spectrum or the lowest. “The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance,” says one of the authors of the study, Michael Cooper of the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business.


The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says - Forbes

Thanks. And that is generally in line with labor economics. Contrary to popular belief, beyond a certain level, incentive to work decreases with increases wage. Taxing higj income earners creates an incentive to work more, not less.

Yep

 

[Dad2three]

Statistics are morons with there charts like we give a funk

True, conservatives NEVER let facts or reality get in their way. Barney Frank, the minority member of the GOP majority House 1995-Jan 2007, caused Dubya's great recession!

 

[Dad2three]

I think most of us would give up Walmart & Dollar Stories (cheep goods) if we could bring home all those high paying manufacturing jobs that are now going to chinese, mexican, canadian, european workers.

Those high paying manufacturing jobs spurred the economy. Companies thrived just servicing the big 3. All those jobs bye bye. I know some of it is technology and blabla but the rich/corporations/republicans/even blue dog democrats fucked us all. NAFTA. Mother fuckers. I'm cool with trade but unregulated free trade? Not so much. American workers were the envy of the world. People came here to start at the bottom and quickly work their way up. The GOP/Bush really fucked up the economy and NEVER admitted responsibility. It was always Clinton/Freddy Mac/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reed/Obama. Suck my dick.

Jobs were going overseas long before any trade deals were struck. Companies thrive today servicing the auto industry, and we have a whole lot more in the auto industry than the big three. You are stuck between your ignorance and your envy for those who found success.

High wages and excessive regulations are what sent jobs overseas, and they won't come back until that is fixed. Every regulation has a cost, and that cost is usually the loss of jobs. You want clean air and clean water? That has a cost in jobs. The clean air and clean water may be worth the cost, but the cost is there, just the same. You want clean energy? There is a cost in jobs. You want to stop the oil and gas industry? There is a cost in jobs.

You want to dance, you have to pay the fiddler.

 

[Dad2three]

The problem is obvious to anyone capable of reading charts. Unfortunately, most right wingers aren't that bright.

wow, how has production increased but our workload hasn't?

could it be b/c of this stuff called technology?

nah, I can type on my manual typewriter as fast as I can c-p 30 pages.



I love getting insulted by leftist with shit like this, it really clears up how yall can't think for yourselves.

Wealth is a Zero-Sum Game

Conservative damagogues like Limbaugh have been able to convince the public that the huge incomes of the wealthiest Americans are irrelevant to those who make moderate-to-low incomes. They even suggest that the more money the wealthiest Americans make, the more wealth will trickle down to the lower classes.

If you've swallowed this line of conservative garbage, get ready to vomit. As all conservative economists know, and deny to the public that they know, wealth is a zero-sum game. That is true at both the front end—when income is divided up, and the back end—when it is spent.

The Front End of Zero-Sum: Dividing the Loot

There is only so much corporate income in a given year. The more of that income that is used to pay workers, the less profit the corporation makes. The less profit, the less the stock goes up. The less the stock goes up, the less the CEO and the investors make. It’s as simple as that. Profit equals income minus expenses. No more, no less. Subtract the right side of the equation from the left side and the answer is always zero. Hence the term, “zero-sum.”





Although the following specific details are fictional, the scenario is accurate. Through their emissaries, Mr. Bill Gates (CEO of Micro- soft), met with Michael Eisner (CEO of Walt Disney Corp.), and John Welch Jr. (CEO of General Electric). Their discussion went like this:

Gates: “Gentlemen, you astute, wise, talented, outstanding, and morally principled managers of today—I can sell you something that cost me $10 per unit to produce for $400 each. It’s a little disk with a bunch of zeros and ones on it.”

Eisner and Welch Jr., in unison: “Why in the hell would we be stupid enough to do something like that?”

Gates: “Simple. It will enable your secretaries to produce twice as much work in half the time. In other words, you can fire half your secretaries—those who helped make your organizations successful in the first place. And the secretaries who remain will still work the same hours for the same pay. You will cut your labor costs in half, the stock of your companies will skyrocket and your grateful shareholders will reward your managerial brilliance by making you incredibly, fabulously rich. Not like me, of course, but pretty damn rich.

“Here’s another wrinkle you’ll love. When your companies start growing again, Disney will hire the experienced secretaries that GE fired, and GE will hire the secretaries that Disney fired. Since they are new employees, they’ll start out at base pay, which has hardly budged for the past 20 years—and with no benefits. Times are tough for secretaries these days, you know, with the corporate downsizing and all.

“Oh yes, with Republicans in control of Congress and Clinton ap-pointing conservative judges to the courts, you can work your secretaries’ asses off, and you don’t have to worry about them getting carpal tunnel syndrome and suing you.”

If you think that this scenario is far-fetched, read what Barron’s had to say about “What’s Behind America’s Trend Towards Widened Income Inequality?”:



The Zero-sum Nature of economics

 

[Contumacious]

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

WTF !!!!

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was sbstantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

.

Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.

My father was black, my mother is white.

Now quit stonewalling

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was substantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

 

[Dad2three]

A chart that says that, is the reason why GOVERNMENT must step in, in violation of the Constitution?

In this example, "government stepping in" means increased taxation for the One Percent, which is not unConstitutional. It would serve as an expedient adjustment to the Nation's troubled economy. And increasing the tax rate of the rich won't hurt them. It will simply make them a little less rich.

It is important to understand that any such adjustment will have absolutely no negative effect on 99.9% of those who are protesting against it.

Increased taxes on the 1% will bring in relatively little additional revenue, and cause more problems than you are able to comprehend. There is no free lunch, and no one is going to buy you a sandwich. Use your intelligence to help yourself, and quit trying to get it from someone else. The concept that taxing anyone will help the economy is ignorant to the point of stupidity.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory



The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes



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If I 'make' a million dollars, I accumulated money from other people. I'm not actually producing cash, I'm acquiring theirs. Therefore, others have collectively lost a million dollars of purchasing power to me.

These people can't go demand new money just because I have all of their money.

They go broke, I get rich, and income inequality is a thing.

 

[Dad2three]

WTF !!!!

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was sbstantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

.

Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.

My father was black, my mother is white.

Now quit stonewalling

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was substantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

Got it, You'll hang onto MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES


Fed reserve like EVERY other nation uses? lol


DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF BANKING PRE FED RESERVE HUH?


"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785

 

[Contumacious]

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory



The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY

In that case ask the Congresscritters to tax 100% of our income.Iime's a-wastin.

.

 

[Contumacious]

Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.

My father was black, my mother is white.

Now quit stonewalling

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was substantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

Got it, You'll hang onto MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES


Fed reserve like EVERY other nation uses? lol


DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF BANKING PRE FED RESERVE HUH?

Isn't it a fact that Karl Marx suggested that the first thing a nation should do to cement communism is to centralized banking and credit in the hands of bureaucrats?


.

 

[itfitzme]

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory



The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY

In that case ask the Congresscritters to tax 100% of our income.Iime's a-wastin.

.

Hyperbole

 

[itfitzme]

WTF !!!!

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was sbstantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

.

Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.

My father was black, my mother is white.

Now quit stonewalling

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was substantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

Oh, I see. You don't know what 'central control' means and how the US economy, especially the banking system, functions.

Oh, by the way, LARGE FONT AND ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.

Problem is that you say so little that even comes close to the appearance of intellegence that there really isn't anything to respond to.

 

[itfitzme]

Anyone notice that when someone says that the wealthy need to "pay their fair share" of taxes, it is usually being said by someone who does not pay any income taxes?

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The answer to your question in "no". Neither have you. You've absolutely concocted everything you have to say.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why are you deflecting from answering his question?
If huge incomes are obscene for CEOs then why not for Oprah and Beyonce, who are of course also CEOs?

The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says

Across the board, the more CEOs get paid, the worse their companies do over the next three years, according to extensive new research. This is true whether they’re CEOs at the highest end of the pay spectrum or the lowest. “The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance,” says one of the authors of the study, Michael Cooper of the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business.


The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says - Forbes

Thanks. And that is generally in line with labor economics. Contrary to popular belief, beyond a certain level, incentive to work decreases with increases wage. Taxing higj income earners creates an incentive to work more, not less.

Why are the two of you deflecting from the question? If CEO salaries are a problem then why anre't Oprah's?
And what difference does it make whether CEOs perform well or badly? You're not paying them.

 

[Contumacious]

Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.

My father was black, my mother is white.

Now quit stonewalling

You are massively retarded.

Our economy was substantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

Oh, I see. You don't know what 'central control' means and how the US economy, especially the banking system, functions.

Oh, by the way, LARGE FONT AND ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.

Problem is that you say so little that even comes close to the appearance of intellegence that there really isn't anything to respond to.

Here we go dingle berry, for your edification , from their own website:


What is the purpose of the Federal Reserve System?

The Federal Reserve System, often referred to as the Federal Reserve or simply "the Fed," is the central bank of the United States. It was created by the Congress to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system. The Federal Reserve was created on December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Today, the Federal Reserve's responsibilities fall into four general areas.

Conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing money and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of full employment and stable prices.

 

[The Rabbi]

Anyone notice that when someone says that the wealthy need to "pay their fair share" of taxes, it is usually being said by someone who does not pay any income taxes?

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The answer to your question in "no". Neither have you. You've absolutely concocted everything you have to say.

High icome people pay a disproportionate share of taxes. The lower middle class is undertaxed. This is not even in dispute.

 

[itfitzme]

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know


Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know




The 47 percent figure does not mean we are near a tipping point. Most of the people included in that figure do make financial contributions to the federal government, and there is no reason to think that nonpayment of income taxes is turning millions of Americans liberal. The bad news is that worrying too much about this number will lead conservatives down an intellectual and political dead end.


According to the Tax Policy Center, provisions of the tax code that exempt subsistence levels of income from income taxes — the standard deduction, personal exemption, and dependent exemption — are the reason for about half of the tax filers who owe no income tax. Another large group of filers pays no income tax because its members are elderly and benefit from such features of the code as the non-taxation of some Social Security benefits. The tax credit for children and the earned-income tax credit, an effort to boost the pay of low-income workers, wipe out income-tax liability for other taxpayers. Those credits are “refundable,” meaning that beneficiaries can get money on top of paying no income tax. Other provisions of the code account for the rest of the 47 percent: education credits, the non-taxation of welfare payments, itemized deductions, and so on.

The Freeloader Myth | National Review Online





Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent


Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent




Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.



Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg

It is a fact that the states which vote Democrat account for 2/3rds of the GDP, twice as much as the Republican states. Obviously the blue states pay more in taxes and are net contributors while Red states are net takers. It isn't necessary to go the tax rolls. It follows directly from GSP.

The difference includes that red voting counties are rural as are predominantly Republican voting states. The key is population density. Low population density goes along with lower economic output.

And this isn't a matter of just less people, it is less output per capita. Economic output is disproportionally lower as population density decreases. There are a couple of fundamental factors that drive this.

One is efficiency of resource utilization. Simply put, a Starbuck in New York city sees more foot traffic per hour than does one in a small rural town. The capitol, building and equipment, are better utilized as is labor.

A second is money supply, $ per square mile. It is a basic mechanical function of the economy that larger money supply tends to drive greater consumption and output.

It is goes without saying that attitude is driven by environment and the economy IS the environment in modern societies. It also obvious that attitudes also drive the economy. For instance, the paradox of thrift is basic. When the people begin saving money, demand falls. When demand falls, so goes production, employment and income. Lower incomes then works against the effort to save.

I believe that low population density is just one of the cascade of mechanical and psychological factors that decreases economic activity. Population density, economic activity, money supply, efficiency of resourse utilization, along with attitudes and behavior all work together, driving each other to create and maintain low economic activity.