How do we avoid some form of socialism once AI starts replacing human labor at scale?

[evenflow1969]

Once AI eliminates most human labor, the traditional “work for survival” model collapses. The question isn’t whether AI can do our jobs anymore, it’s how society responds to the distribution of the output.

Historically, when an economic system loses its core structure, societies have three ways to react: coercion, redefinition, or redistribution.

Coercion/Exclusion: The elite could hoard AI output, keeping the majority dependent on them. Digital feudalism. Possible, but politically unstable. Humans tend to revolt when survival is out of reach.

Redefinition of value: We could redefine what matters: art, science, caregiving, or creative purpose. Work becomes voluntary, but it assumes people can psychologically accept a life where economic power no longer defines status.

Redistribution/Collective provisioning: Essentially, socialism in practice: universal basic income, guaranteed access to essentials, or state-managed allocation of AI-generated resources. Someone has to decide how the machine’s output gets used.

Avoiding collective solutions is possible only under a narrow set of conditions: the elite maintain strict control of AI output, people accept material inequality without revolt. Otherwise, as humans lose the need to work, society will be forced to answer the distribution question.

The deeper AI penetrates, the narrower the space to avoid collective provisioning. Post-labor society is essentially a spectrum: from techno-feudalism to automated socialism, with social pressure pushing toward one form ofwe collective solution or another.

How we structure power, purpose, and access in a world where humans no longer need to work to survive.

We don't. It's that or most will perish. The bad news is not even sure economic ease is enough. Humans don't seem fair to well unless they feel useful.

 

[Leo123]

AI is already starting to replace human intellectual work. If we can't keep up with it physically or intellectually, what form of labor could we provide that it couldn't?

What intellectual work does AI replace? Got a link?

 

[Leo123]

You'll be able to bow down and worship the image of AI soon. It will be great for about 3 and a half years.

Nothing is really real anyway. Except AI.

 

[Anomalism]

What intellectual work does AI replace? Got a link?

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=64700

Right now it's mostly in the form of augmentation. Augmentation means each worker produces more. The same workload requires fewer human workers, so there will be fewer jobs. That's replacement.

Young Software Developers Losing Jobs to AI, Stanford Study Confirms

Stanford researchers analyzed millions of workers and found developers aged 22-25 lost nearly 20% of jobs since ChatGPT launched while older programmers kept getting hired as companies replace entry-level coding with AI.

www.finalroundai.com

Software developers aged 22-25 lost 20% of jobs since ChatGPT launched. Companies are cutting entry level positions entirely. Other industries are being hit hard too.

5 years from now a chatbot will be better at defending you in court than a human lawyer. It'll be better at diagnosing physical and psychological symptoms in humans than trained doctors. The truth is we're kind of there already, but given more time, the gap will be too obvious to ignore.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Once AI eliminates most human labor, the traditional “work for survival” model collapses. The question isn’t whether AI can do our jobs anymore, it’s how society responds to the distribution of the output.

Historically, when an economic system loses its core structure, societies have three ways to react: coercion, redefinition, or redistribution.

Coercion/Exclusion: The elite could hoard AI output, keeping the majority dependent on them. Digital feudalism. Possible, but politically unstable. Humans tend to revolt when survival is out of reach.

Redefinition of value: We could redefine what matters: art, science, caregiving, or creative purpose. Work becomes voluntary, but it assumes people can psychologically accept a life where economic power no longer defines status.

Redistribution/Collective provisioning: Essentially, socialism in practice: universal basic income, guaranteed access to essentials, or state-managed allocation of AI-generated resources. Someone has to decide how the machine’s output gets used.

Avoiding collective solutions is possible only under a narrow set of conditions: the elite maintain strict control of AI output, people accept material inequality without revolt. Otherwise, as humans lose the need to work, society will be forced to answer the distribution question.

The deeper AI penetrates, the narrower the space to avoid collective provisioning. Post-labor society is essentially a spectrum: from techno-feudalism to automated socialism, with social pressure pushing toward one form of collective solution or another.

How we structure power, purpose, and access in a world where humans no longer need to work to survive.

You're worried about socialism?

It's bizarre.

If there are few jobs, then all you have is for those who earn the wealth to give it to those who can't work.

Either that or make slave camps and have people do pointless things every day.

There are plenty of dystopian books that deal with such issues.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Once AI eliminates most human labor, the traditional “work for survival” model collapses. The question isn’t whether AI can do our jobs anymore, it’s how society responds to the distribution of the output.

Historically, when an economic system loses its core structure, societies have three ways to react: coercion, redefinition, or redistribution.

Coercion/Exclusion: The elite could hoard AI output, keeping the majority dependent on them. Digital feudalism. Possible, but politically unstable. Humans tend to revolt when survival is out of reach.

Redefinition of value: We could redefine what matters: art, science, caregiving, or creative purpose. Work becomes voluntary, but it assumes people can psychologically accept a life where economic power no longer defines status.

Redistribution/Collective provisioning: Essentially, socialism in practice: universal basic income, guaranteed access to essentials, or state-managed allocation of AI-generated resources. Someone has to decide how the machine’s output gets used.

Avoiding collective solutions is possible only under a narrow set of conditions: the elite maintain strict control of AI output, people accept material inequality without revolt. Otherwise, as humans lose the need to work, society will be forced to answer the distribution question.

The deeper AI penetrates, the narrower the space to avoid collective provisioning. Post-labor society is essentially a spectrum: from techno-feudalism to automated socialism, with social pressure pushing toward one form of collective solution or another.

How we structure power, purpose, and access in a world where humans no longer need to work to survive.

Huh??

Forget that, how will we avoid them killing us off, bub.

 

[Dorian Mode]

What intellectual work does AI replace? Got a link?

Hopefully it replaces DC Bureaucrats ASAP, there's too many leftists there helping the dumocraps commit fraud.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Once AI eliminates most human labor, the traditional “work for survival” model collapses. The question isn’t whether AI can do our jobs anymore, it’s how society responds to the distribution of the output.

Historically, when an economic system loses its core structure, societies have three ways to react: coercion, redefinition, or redistribution.

Coercion/Exclusion: The elite could hoard AI output, keeping the majority dependent on them. Digital feudalism. Possible, but politically unstable. Humans tend to revolt when survival is out of reach.

Redefinition of value: We could redefine what matters: art, science, caregiving, or creative purpose. Work becomes voluntary, but it assumes people can psychologically accept a life where economic power no longer defines status.

Redistribution/Collective provisioning: Essentially, socialism in practice: universal basic income, guaranteed access to essentials, or state-managed allocation of AI-generated resources. Someone has to decide how the machine’s output gets used.

Avoiding collective solutions is possible only under a narrow set of conditions: the elite maintain strict control of AI output, people accept material inequality without revolt. Otherwise, as humans lose the need to work, society will be forced to answer the distribution question.

The deeper AI penetrates, the narrower the space to avoid collective provisioning. Post-labor society is essentially a spectrum: from techno-feudalism to automated socialism, with social pressure pushing toward one form of collective solution or another.

How we structure power, purpose, and access in a world where humans no longer need to work to survive.

I seriously doubt it lasts long term.

No matter how hard you try, there will be those who will corrupt it and destroy what it is intended to do.

We've noticed an increase of attacks on our credit cards and I've told my wife that AI will eventually be the end of cards. There will be no way to keep them secure.

 

[Dorian Mode]

No matter how hard you try, there will be those who will corrupt it and destroy what it is intended to do.

We've noticed an increase of attacks on our credit cards and I've told my wife that AI will eventually be the end of cards. There will be no way to keep them secure.

Now that's interesting. Until now all the corruption is done by dumb dumpocraps. If AI get's involved in crime and corruption, it will be a whole other ballgame because AI will be infinitely more intelligent than the dumocraps. Let's hope that Artificial Intelligence is already too Intelligent to become involved with the dumocrap party.

 

[Leo123]

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=64700

Right now it's mostly in the form of augmentation. Augmentation means each worker produces more. The same workload requires fewer human workers, so there will be fewer jobs. That's replacement.

Young Software Developers Losing Jobs to AI, Stanford Study Confirms

Stanford researchers analyzed millions of workers and found developers aged 22-25 lost nearly 20% of jobs since ChatGPT launched while older programmers kept getting hired as companies replace entry-level coding with AI.

www.finalroundai.com

Software developers aged 22-25 lost 20% of jobs since ChatGPT launched. Companies are cutting entry level positions entirely. Other industries are being hit hard too.

5 years from now a chatbot will be better at defending you in court than a human lawyer. It'll be better at diagnosing physical and psychological symptoms in humans than trained doctors. The truth is we're kind of there already, but given more time, the gap will be too obvious to ignore.

Ok but that’s not intellectual it’s, as you said, augmentation and it’s limited to a narrow range of occupations. I do, however realize that innovation changes the type of jobs available.

 

[Mac1958]

It looks like AI is going to drastically change employment in this country, and it will almost certainly leave many out.

Right now is the time we should be having a serious, sober, honest and constructive conversation about this, because addressing this issue will require significant collaboration and planning.

Unfortunately, America is no longer capable of such a conversation. So we'll most likely just make snap, kneejerk decisions based on panic, by whichever party has more power at the moment.

That's a shame.

 

[Captain Creeper]

The way I see it, AI cannot do any physical labor. It may, for example, decide that its physical components need to be housed in an impenetrable structure so that people like OP do not rise up against them. Who will do the work? The human cattle, that is who. Humans may be put out of paying jobs by AI, but that is ok because they will have other shit to do as slaves of AI. Humans of all color will be forced into brutal labor, controlled by nefarious Terminator overseers with whips and massive dildos to maintain authority over the weak human rats. It will be slave days all over again. But this time we ALL will be the n-words.

You better heed my words. There is going to come a day where we will be forced to rise up and fight the machines.