Why we have to redistribute income through taxes

no thats not true ... the part where high wages union workers caused it ... you go back and look at what caused it... again it was republicans deregulating tariffs on steel ... this again all started by steel from overseas companies being dumped on the united states ... causing the American steel companies to close down ... what happen was the congress passed tariffs on steel ... by doing so the steel industry came back ... not like it was ... but it came back with high union wages too ... so you are wrong on what cause its ... again this all started under Nixon, Ford, and Carter ... I believe it was carter that signed into law the tariffs on over seas steel... which started the slowing down of steel companies from shutting down...

your view of history is very interesting, very wrong but interesting. Steel making left the USA for two reasons----------unions and taxes. same reason that the textile industry and the commercial shipbuilding industry no longer exist in the USA
its interesting how the right spins things ... yes it is true that wages, taxes, and what you won't admit the dumping of steel in the country caused these companies to close... where you believe, but are afraid to leave out here, the part where the dumping of cheep steel on the country didn't have any affect on the company is you being disingenuous...
the dumping of cheep steel cause the companies to sell less steel ... by selling less steel, wages come into play ... the dumping of cheep steel cause you to have to pay your taxes on your company that not selling steel like it was ... making it appear that taxes and labor was too hight ... which they weren't ... if they were selling steel which we already know that cheep steel was being dumped in this country, that you choose to admit it wasn't the cause ... you would rather believe it was higher taxes and union labor that cause steel companies to fail ... Ive always known to make a company to work you have to have sales ... if your sales are gone down the toilet, then you have to cut your expenses ... by you just choosing unions and taxes is the furtherest from the whole truth

And if their expenses were too high because of this steel dumping they would need to do what?

"if your sales are gone down the toilet, then you have to cut your expenses"

How do you cut expenses when the union won't sanction any cuts? Can't lower any union worker's pay. Can't lay off any union workers. What can you do? Not turn the lights on to cut electricity? Oops that's a safety violation. Turn the thermostat up to cut costs on cooling or down to cut costs on heating? Uncomfortable work environment, Union says no.

A non-unionized company can make some adjustments so that not everyone loses their jobs. A unionized company doesn't have that flexibility. Everyone stays with the same hours and pay... until we have to close the doors and everyone loses their jobs.
 
Threads like these confirm how correct we are to fight -- to death if necessary, to retain our Second Amendment rights

Are you saying we should have shot the rich people who rigged the system and redistributed our wealth to themselves or are you only going to take up arms if we try to take what they stole back?

And are you rich or are you going to fight us for your master?

Chances are you aren't rich enough to worry about it. Chances are if we re distribute that wealth that'll put a few extra bucks in your pocket.

Chances are that you will do nothing more than whine on a message board. Revolution is hard work, and that takes it out of the scope of left wing wimps.
 
The rich aren't paying their fair share. And **** what's fair. What works is what matters. Fair is what a little ***** would say. If you are rich and crying about what's fair, then you are a greedy little ***** and don't understand you have a responsibility to pay your fair share. Progressive tax system is what we have in America. And if you are not rich, which I suspect you aren't, then you are what we call a house slave. Stupid ****.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

"**** what's fair."

And

"you have a responsibility to pay your fair share."

All in the same post.

Fun.

Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 27.3%
2010 . . . 8.9%

Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of GDP

1955 . . . 4.3%
2010 . . . 1.3%

Individual Income/Payrolls as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 58.0%
2010 . . . 81.5%

Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time High

'corporate profits are at an all-time high as a percentage of the economy, wages are at an all-time low.'

'Last year, corporations made a record $824 billion, which didnÂ’t stop conservatives from continually claiming that President Obama is anti-business.'
Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time High | ThinkProgress

The fortunate 400

400 tax returns reporting the highest incomes in 2009.

Six American families paid no federal income taxes in 2009 while making something on the order of $200 million each.
another 110 families paid 15 percent or less in federal income taxes.
The fortunate 400: David Cay Johnston | Reuters

The 400 richest Americans used to pay 30% of their income on the average to Uncle Sam(but 55% in 1955).

Was this post intended to somehow mitigate the irony of the post upon which I was commenting?

"**** what's fair." but "you have a responsibility to pay your fair share."
 
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The problem is obvious to anyone capable of reading charts. Unfortunately, most right wingers aren't that bright.

A chart that says that, is the reason why GOVERNMENT must step in, in violation of the Constitution?

In this example, "government stepping in" means increased taxation for the One Percent, which is not unConstitutional. It would serve as an expedient adjustment to the Nation's troubled economy. And increasing the tax rate of the rich won't hurt them. It will simply make them a little less rich.

It is important to understand that any such adjustment will have absolutely no negative effect on 99.9% of those who are protesting against it.

Increased taxes on the 1% will bring in relatively little additional revenue, and cause more problems than you are able to comprehend. There is no free lunch, and no one is going to buy you a sandwich. Use your intelligence to help yourself, and quit trying to get it from someone else. The concept that taxing anyone will help the economy is ignorant to the point of stupidity.
 
"**** what's fair."

And

"you have a responsibility to pay your fair share."

All in the same post.

Fun.

Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 27.3%
2010 . . . 8.9%

Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of GDP

1955 . . . 4.3%
2010 . . . 1.3%

Individual Income/Payrolls as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 58.0%
2010 . . . 81.5%

Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time High

'corporate profits are at an all-time high as a percentage of the economy, wages are at an all-time low.'

'Last year, corporations made a record $824 billion, which didnÂ’t stop conservatives from continually claiming that President Obama is anti-business.'
Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time High | ThinkProgress

The fortunate 400

400 tax returns reporting the highest incomes in 2009.

Six American families paid no federal income taxes in 2009 while making something on the order of $200 million each.
another 110 families paid 15 percent or less in federal income taxes.
The fortunate 400: David Cay Johnston | Reuters

The 400 richest Americans used to pay 30% of their income on the average to Uncle Sam(but 55% in 1955).

Was this post intended to somehow mitigate the irony of the post upon which I was commenting?

"**** what's fair." but "you have a responsibility to pay your fair share."

Yeah. Disturbingly revealing, eh?
 
I think most of us would give up Walmart & Dollar Stories (cheep goods) if we could bring home all those high paying manufacturing jobs that are now going to chinese, mexican, canadian, european workers.

Those high paying manufacturing jobs spurred the economy. Companies thrived just servicing the big 3. All those jobs bye bye. I know some of it is technology and blabla but the rich/corporations/republicans/even blue dog democrats fucked us all. NAFTA. Mother fuckers. I'm cool with trade but unregulated free trade? Not so much. American workers were the envy of the world. People came here to start at the bottom and quickly work their way up. The GOP/Bush really fucked up the economy and NEVER admitted responsibility. It was always Clinton/Freddy Mac/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reed/Obama. Suck my dick.

Jobs were going overseas long before any trade deals were struck. Companies thrive today servicing the auto industry, and we have a whole lot more in the auto industry than the big three. You are stuck between your ignorance and your envy for those who found success.

High wages and excessive regulations are what sent jobs overseas, and they won't come back until that is fixed. Every regulation has a cost, and that cost is usually the loss of jobs. You want clean air and clean water? That has a cost in jobs. The clean air and clean water may be worth the cost, but the cost is there, just the same. You want clean energy? There is a cost in jobs. You want to stop the oil and gas industry? There is a cost in jobs.

You want to dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
 
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Finally, it is striking that you think that you are entitled to a redistribution. "Redistribution" means that there will be a "distribution". Why are you entitled to a distribution of wealth that was earned by someone else? The idea is absurd. If you want jobs, then put your effort into pushing a policy that will foster job creation. Extracting money from business via the tax code does nothing to create jobs, unless you a talking about creating a bunch of jobs created for the reason of employing people. This is also ridiculous.
The fundamental flaw in the ideology plugged into your brain by the likes of Hannity and Beck is the tired notion that I think I would benefit from a redistribution policy. This notion is predicated on your fear that such a policy means money will be transferred from your pocket to that of some welfare queen. This fear torments you in spite of the specifics outlined in my message.

The fact is my situation will remain the same whether or not economic redistribution takes place. I am 78 years old, so I won't be around long enough to see any major economic changes. And I presently enjoy a generous pension, Social Security, absence of debt, and a nice stack of U.S. Savings Bonds. So my only incentive is to have the damage done to this Nation, by a greedy and corrupt right-wing and its plutocratic offspring, to be reversed -- and for the Great American Middle Class to be restored to the status it enjoyed until the demented puppet, Ronald Reagan, initiated its incremental destruction.

Redistribution does not mean welfare or anything like that. It means re-circulating a substantial percentage of this Nation's wealth resources which have been slyly and unscrupulously deposited into offshore tax havens via a variety of financial schemes and politically facilitated scams, and using those funds to aid in overhauling our decayed infrastructure, thus putting America back to work at good-paying, critically necessary construction jobs.

Your ideology is misplaced in a capitalist, free market economy. You are arguing points that are not relevant here. You are wasting your time. Unless your goal is to destroy or replace capitalism, then your time would be better spent on promoting free trade, a robust economy, and prosperity. The need for jobs will follow. As the need for labor increases, then wages will increase. Our system does not provide for distribution to groups who offer nothing of value in exchange. Thus, socialist arguments are irrelevant.

As I made perfectly clear, but was obviously ignored because of your indoctrinated mindset, my ambition is not to destroy our capitalist system but simply to replace the highly effective and constructive socialist regulations which were removed by Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, causing the economic disaster of 2008 and its subsequent effects.

In the simplest terms, I wish to see the right-wing progression of de-regulation reversed and the damage it did repaired. And one of the ways to do that is a confiscatory tax on the One Percent.

You, somehow believe that increased taxes on the top earners will somehow reverse and or repair the deregulation generated by Reagan and Bush? Then, we can clean out the barn, put on a variety show, and pay off the national debt, right? Well hell, it always worked for Mickey and Judy, and makes just as little sense.
 
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The problem is obvious to anyone capable of reading charts. Unfortunately, most right wingers aren't that bright.

wow, how has production increased but our workload hasn't?

could it be b/c of this stuff called technology?

nah, I can type on my manual typewriter as fast as I can c-p 30 pages.

:lol:

I love getting insulted by leftist with shit like this, it really clears up how yall can't think for yourselves.
 
Anyone notice that when someone says that the wealthy need to "pay their fair share" of taxes, it is usually being said by someone who does not pay any income taxes? Yes, they may pay sales tax when they buy their rolling papers, and make Social Security and Medicare contributions while working their temp jobs for weed money. They may even pay a small amount of ad valorem tax on their 1995 Toyota Corolla. However, they do not pay income tax.

Obviously, these idiots cannot say how much is a "fair share". This is because there is no such thing as a "fair share". It is just populist politics. The leftist stoners and social losers got all charged up by their socialist professors and took to the street with the Occupy rallies, their feelings being hurt because they took out huge student loans but were unable to step right into a six figure salaried job out of college, with no experience required. They acted like rabid assholes. Moreover, they failed because their underlying messages were incoherent and not valid. But wait, the Democrats then pick up on this bullshit. Seeing how easily these young shitheads are manipulated they too started this income inequality thing.

Do you want to know how phony this bullshit is? If these assholes did get jobs out of college, paying their six figure salaries and utilizing their useless liberal arts degrees in women's studies and "The Basket Weaving Techniques of Southern Kosovo", then there would have been no Occupy. They would have all been happy little campers. This just goes to show you that this is all about money and expectations. They had no problems with all the perceived injustices they point out until they thought it affected them. Now they have to make tough, grown up decisions, like whether to buy gasoline or weed, or whether to buy e new IPhone or save their money.

Honestly, if my son had gotten into that Occupy/wealth disparity bullshit then I would have considered myself a total failure as a parent. It is narcissism, stupidity, ignorance, and entitlement mentality all rolled up into one psychosis. "Wealth redistribution"? Give me a ******* break. Do we really need to be debating this bullshit with these stupid, young shitheads? "I cannot find my perfect job, so the whole system is corrupt!!!!!!! I am being screwed over big time by The Man!!!!!!" This is not a social or political problem. This is a ******* mental problem.

90% of the Millennial generation is not worth a shit. Their existence is pointless. If I had my way we would sell off the little fuckers to Dubai as slave labor. Then, the next time they set foot in America, maybe they will have a Different mindset and appreciate what they had.






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You dont get it.
Protecting industries at the expense of your consumers IS crony capitalism. Other countries engage in it much more than we do.
Quality of life is not going down. Maybe your's is because you sit around all day angry at people who have more than you do. But for most people it's better.
Your attempt to generalize over every other country is pathetic.

**** the consumers. They didn't mind paying taxes when they had jobs, homes, cares, savings. Now that daddy doesn't have a pension anymore and healthcare is expensive, don't expect to live the American dream like he did. He had/has a pension, ss, medicare, savings. He was making over 10% on his investments. What are people making now 1%? Gotta have stock market money.

Listen, I don't even know where to start with you four monkeys. I remember all 4 of you from 2 years ago. You're all a bunch of douch bag right wing idiots. How much do you make that you feel things are better in republicans hands? **** tea baggers and libertarians.

I don't know where you live but we here in Michigan saw what liberal democracies produced. And we see what republicans have brought in. Sure our fathers thought Reagan was swell but he was the beginning of the end.

Want to cut the debt? Then ask the rich and corporations to pay more. You guys say we don't know our history, but we do. And we know your revionist history is bullshit.

Fact is, you guys have NEVER admitted Bush sucked and the Tom Delay run government for 6 years is what put us in this mess. It's so obvious yet you just ignore it. So the four of you can go **** yourselves.

Facts: We were doing fine, until Bush. We had a surplus. All the sacrifices have been on the poor and middle class. The rich are doing fabulously. Started 2 wars, Haloburton got rich. Sent jobs overseas, deregulated, changed bankruptsy laws, turned blind eye to hiring illegals (tyson chicken). I could go on and on but you four aren't worth it. 2 years later, same old bullshit.
Well, ain't you just a hateful, bitter sack of rage. You should get your blood pressure checked.

Not only that, the fool just contradicted himself again. If we were doing fine until Bush, then Reagan couldn't be the cause of our situation. This ignorant ass has a few screws loose, and he really hasn't figured out that you can't use contradictory talking points in the same rant.

BTW, Tyson was Bill and Hillary's friend, not Bush's.
 
the democrats controlled congress for most of that time, why did they let that happen?


Weird, I thought Prez Obama was at fault?

Hint, REAGAN had a GOP Senate 6 years like Dubya had a GOP Congress for 6, oh like Clinton too? HMM


Now why wont the GOP work with Obama on making sure the Buffet rule, min 30% fed tax on $1,000,000+ incomes? PLEASE let me know why that's horrible?

for your fun and amazement:

United States Presidents and control of Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most of the tax code was written by democrats. No president is responsible for the tax code.

Sure, you keep 'believing' that


The U.S. Congress passed the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (TRA) (Pub.L. 99–514, 100 Stat. 2085, enacted October 22, 1986) to simplify the income tax code, broaden the tax base and eliminate many tax shelters and other preferences. Referred to as the second of the two "Reagan tax cuts" (the Kemp-Roth Tax Cut of 1981 being the first)


The Tax Reform Act of 1986 was given impetus by a detailed tax-simplification proposal from President Reagan's Treasury Department, and was designed to be tax-revenue neutral because Reagan stated that he would veto any bill that was not. Revenue neutrality was targeted by decreasing individual income tax rates, eliminating $30 billion annually in loopholes, while increasing corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, and miscellaneous excises


"Tax ReformÂ’s Lesson for Health Care Reform". New York Times.



Sure, Dems....
 
BECAUSE THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' DIDN'T CREATE THEIR WEALTH IN A BUBBLE, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD, SWEAT AND MANY DEATHS OF MANY THAT CAME BEFORE THEM. WE CREATED A SOCIETY WITH RULES AND LAWS TO HELP THEM BUILD THAT MONEY. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SHARE IT, GET THE **** OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF

You cannot be serious. Nobody can be this ******* dense. The American corporate model is about sharing the wealth with the employees? We have a market economy. Workers sell their time, labor and skills in consideration of compensation being paid. That is it. Corporate business has never been about taking care if employees and sharing wealth. Frankly, that misguided idea is servitude. Do you not see that?

Maybe this seems cold to you, but it is not. I would much rather be free to work where I please than be in reliance upon my corporate nanny taking care of me.

I am sure you do not remember, but once we had something called mill villages in this country. The worker would move into a shitty little mill house given to him and his family. He was given food. He was paid a shitty little wage. He was totally dependent upon the mill. This is servitude. I would much rather develop and market my skills to those who pay me the most.

Now, maybe you do not have the stomach for this. So be it. You can live a miserable life on handouts if that is what you choose.

Honestly, you are not worth talking to. You have hare brained notions about what America should be and are apparently ignorant of how a market economy works. I pity you.





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Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html




HALF OF CAPITAL GAINS AND DIVIDENDS GO TO THE TOP 1/10TH OF 1% OF US




80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated.




THE WALTON FAMILY (WALMART) HAVE MORE WEALTH THAN THE BOTTOM 41% OF US


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation.



It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program



Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

The reason for this was the economic and financial chaos the nation suffered under the Articles of Confederation. The goal was to ensure that dearly-won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School of Economics

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Don't like the Waltons? Want to punish them? Don't shop at Walmart, Boycott them.

WHO said anything about not liking?


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Look at all the hyper partisan (far left) propaganda in that post!

This proof and a great example of someone that does not have a clue of what has happened nor cares that it did happen except to point fingers.

Just because you paid a bunch of money for Apple products (made in China) does not mean you will bring back "high" paying jobs to the US.

What is your plan to create more high paying jobs?
How about we set the minimum wage at a thousand dollars an hour? That's a good progressive solution.




Ah so you're the guy responsible for teaching people to be stupid. Got it!
 
When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

WTF !!!!


You are massively retarded.

Our economy was sbstantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

.
 
Wrong, what we see happening today is the direct result of government policies, not the inevitible result of capitalism as you claim.

Now, we could have a socialist system where all of the money and all of the power is controlled by a very small group of super elites and everyone else is EQUALLY miserable. Would that be preferable to you?

But since you hate successful rich people so much, what do you propose we do about the wealth of Oprah and Beyonce?
Any system can be exploited, and if we have bad people being bad in larger and larger groups for whom are in power running the system, then it matters not what system it is that is in play, because what matters most is the type of individuals who are running the system and/or systems that are in play.

We have had good individuals running the system at times, and this is when the system worked for the numbers in which were large enough to keep it that way, and it stayed in a likeable balance for most when this was the case. Now somehow that has all went array, and this is why we see the addressing of the systems by so many these days going on, and this is why we see the want by many to replace one system for another due to blaming the system which is wrong of them to do so, because like I said it is not the system that is the problem, but it is the people who run the system or systems that are the problem when it goes bad. Get the bad out of the system, and the system or systems will return to good, and so it's that simple really.

gobbledegook.

answer my question: what should be done about the obscene wealth of Oprah and Beyonce?

should it be taken from them, should they be jailed? Should the govt move 100 homeless people into their mansions?

what do you want done to these evil rich people?




Libertarians are right wingers without any personal convictions beyond self interest.
 
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gobbledegook.

answer my question: what should be done about the obscene wealth of Oprah and Beyonce?

should it be taken from them, should they be jailed? Should the govt move 100 homeless people into their mansions?

what do you want done to these evil rich people?
Does Oprah not pay her employees well enough to not be on the gvt assistance programs that we have to pay for? Does Beyonce?

Jailed? what are you rambling about????? Taxing someone at a higher rate is now jailing someone? NOTE! I am reading this thread from the end going backwards so maybe I will understand what your saying when I continue to read....???

Why are you deflecting from answering his question?
If huge incomes are obscene for CEOs then why not for Oprah and Beyonce, who are of course also CEOs?




The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says

Across the board, the more CEOs get paid, the worse their companies do over the next three years, according to extensive new research. This is true whether they’re CEOs at the highest end of the pay spectrum or the lowest. “The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance,” says one of the authors of the study, Michael Cooper of the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business.


The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says - Forbes
 
The income/wealth that is produced is earned by somebody. That is, someone is taking an investment risk. Why would anyone think that they are entitled to a distribution if they do nothing to earn it? This is essentially what you are saying. Someone advocating redistribution or rallying against income/wealth disparity is really asking for a handout - something for nothing.

The person originating this thread has no clue about economics.


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While true that someone has often taken investment risk and does rightfully expect a return on it doesn't equate to any specific value nor does it follow that no one else should expect value as well. Economics doesn't extend the principle of return on investment in the manner you are.

Stating a fact doesn't lead to summarly supporting everything that follow it. I know thismhas great emotional appeal, but it is a principle of marketing and social psychology, not economics
 
You assume the increase in productivity is because of the middle class.

You mean the people doing the work who are making more stuff? Those guys?

You mean the people who are doing EASIER work making more stuff? Those guys? The ones who are working jobs that have been made much much easier and safer by technology and investment by the companies that they work for?








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The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says

Across the board, the more CEOs get paid, the worse their companies do over the next three years, according to extensive new research. This is true whether they’re CEOs at the highest end of the pay spectrum or the lowest. “The more CEOs are paid, the worse the firm does over the next three years, as far as stock performance and even accounting performance,” says one of the authors of the study, Michael Cooper of the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business.


The Highest-Paid CEOs Are The Worst Performers, New Study Says - Forbes
 
When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

WTF !!!!


You are massively retarded.

Our economy was sbstantially free until 1913.

In 1913, the progressives enacted FASCISTIC legislation consisting of the Federal Reserve Board and the "income' tax.

Our economy has been CENTRALLY CONTROLLED ever since.

So , shut the **** up.

.




Got it, You'll stick with myths and fairy tales


Libertarians skew heavily white, male, and young. Hilariously, the number of self-identified libertarian African Americans didn't even register a full 1% on their graph.


http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf





The libertarian movement is overwhelming white privileged males who never experienced living in a society where they were persecuted with bigotry. Women and minorities make up a very small fraction of libertarians. This is hardly surprising given the stances that libertarians make.
 
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