Why teachers don't want the Bible studied in school.

[Woodznutz]

Thats excellent if you are a Christian. That is not the purview of public school.

Sans religious instruction public schools should at least teach rudimentary moral behavior. America is badly in need of such.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Sans religious instruction public schools should at least teach rudimentary moral behavior. America is badly in need of such.

Thats for the parents. If teachers were charged with teaching moral behavior the MAGAs would lose their minds.

 

[Woodznutz]

Thats for the parents. If teachers were charged with teaching moral behavior the MAGAs would lose their minds.

Parents are considered the enemy by their children and are usually the least qualified. The behavior of many kids in schools is testament to this fact and is often a reflection of the attitudes of their parents. Just because some people are parents doesn't mean they can raise their kids properly.

 

[Unkotare]

Parents are considered the enemy by their children ...

What the **** are you talking about?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

None, any or all of the above as THEY decide. For instance, let's say the school sets a threshold of at least ten kids all signing up for christian instruction, they might decide it should be general christian ideology, but what if they get 30 kids all interested in learning more about christian faith and 28 of them are Baptist, then they might decide to make the class specific to Baptist faith. The whole point is that:

1. Religion is a legitimate branch of learning.
2. That the school nor government have any say in picking or limiting the class.

I'm not saying that the school must have intensive study, but IF they have the facilities, means and interest, it SHOULD be an option open to consideration by them and for them, so I cannot answer for what they might find best suits them. Point is that if there is strong interest for this in the school district, then to limit or stop them in educating their children and using their facilities paid through their taxes as they see fit, /WOULD/ be a violation of their constitutional right to separation of church and state!


Again, I cannot say you are right or wrong. I can neither agree nor disagree. It might depend on the curriculum, where there is time or space, or pursued once a week after regular class. It is up to the SCHOOL, the students and parents who use that school to decide for themselves how best to use their facilities as any spiritual training would be under the student's and parent's direction and not the school's. Or maybe it wouldn't work there at all in their case--- the point is, it is up to THEM, not me.

You are so delusional! Have you been screened for dementia by your doctor?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Parents are considered the enemy by their children and are usually the least qualified.

I never thought that. I don't know anyone with nonabusive parents that thought that.

The behavior of many kids in schools is testament to this fact and is often a reflection of the attitudes of their parents. Just because some people are parents doesn't mean they can raise their kids properly.

Ok. Lets have schools teach that people who are mistreated should get a leg up and that Trans are good people worthy of respect. Yes?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It can be done voluntarily.

That's about the only thing you have said that is correct.

 

[Woodznutz]

What the **** are you talking about?

Sorry, I should have put 'the enemy' in semi-quotes.

Parents are always denying their kids of stuff and things that they want to do, so the kids do them anyway behind their parent's backs. Kids and parents are seldom forthright with each other about many important things. Once kids are school age they live in a different world from their parents.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not enough kids go to church. However, most go to school.

School: The place where important things are taught or learned.

Most senior HS students have electives to choose from. Bible Survey could be one of them.

Not in a public school.

Should they offer Islamic Studies? Modern Judaism? Shinto? Taoism?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Parents are always denying their kids of stuff and things that they want to do, so the kids do them anyway behind their parent's backs. Kids and parents are seldom forthright with each other about many important things. Once kids are school age they live in a different world from their parents.

I am truly sorry for you that you think that way. You must have had a horrible childhood.

 

[Woodznutz]

I never thought that. I don't know anyone with nonabusive parents that thought that.


Ok. Lets have schools teach that people who are mistreated should get a leg up and that Trans are good people worthy of respect. Yes?

Kids are just as likely to hide things from their teachers as from their parents. People hide things. If unexpected suicides don't reveal this nothing will.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kids are just as likely to hide things from their teachers as from their parents. People hide things. If unexpected suicides don't reveal this nothing will.

Yes, every kid out there commits suicide. Got any more blanket theories exposing your true idiocy that you want to share?

The gunman in the San Diego shooting was suicidal according to his mother. Did that stop anything?

 

[toobfreak]

True. A book as important as the Bible should be at least somewhat familiar to the west.

People are confused. I'm not saying the school should teach religion, I'm saying that if there is true separation of church and state then the attendees of that school should at least have that choice whether to include religious indoctrination or not and what kind. How can there be separation of church and state if the school district, country or state disallowed it?

Religion is a belief, it is a philosophy, can you imagine if the school disallowed teaching quantum theory because it was all based on theory? How does one include teaching philosophy of science and history but not the philosophy of love and brotherhood?

A few years ago a school fired a gym teacher for holding prayer before a game. That was a violation of church and state. The teacher did not force it and the students wanted to hold the prayer; the school should have stayed out of it and minded their own business. Even if it was the coach's idea and he pushed it on the kids, all the school had to do was reprimand him and tell him not to force religion on kids, instead they violated the separations clause by firing the teacher thus shaping the curriculum and using their position to deny students religious content.

Once again, a corrupt leftwing government walked right over the separations clause in order to effect a more atheistic group of more likely democrat voters.

Democrats operate just like the Chinese do, no wonder they are such good friends--- like the Chinese, the Left look for any and all opportunities to turn advantage in their favor no matter how small... every little bit helps.

I'm simply amazed how little the current radicalized far-left democrats differ in how they think and operate and strive for exactly the same things in the same ways as Islamist/muslims and the Red Chinese.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

People are confused. I'm not saying the school should teach religion, I'm saying that if there is true separation of church and state then the attendees of that school should at least have that choice whether to include religious indoctrination or not and what kind. How can there be separation of church and state if the school district, country or state disallowed it?

Religion is a belief, it is a philosophy, can you imagine if the school disallowed teaching quantum theory because it was all based on theory? How does one include teaching philosophy of science and history but not the philosophy of love and brotherhood?

A few years ago a school fired a gym teacher for holding prayer before a game. That was a violation of church and state. The teacher did not force it and the students wanted to hold the prayer; the school should have stayed out of it and minded their own business. Even if it was the coach's idea and he pushed it on the kids, all the school had to do was reprimand him and tell him not to force religion on kids, instead they violated the separations clause by firing the teacher thus shaping the curriculum and using their position to deny students religious content.

Once again, a corrupt leftwing government walked right over the separations clause in order to effect a more atheistic group of more likely democrat voters.

Democrats operate just like the Chinese do, no wonder they are such good friends--- like the Chinese, the Left look for any and all opportunities to turn advantage in their favor no matter how small... every little bit helps.

I'm simply amazed how little the current radicalized far-left democrats think and operate and strive for exactly the same things in the same ways as Islamist/muslims and the Red Chinese.

Still delusional.

It was a high school football coach, and he was fired for praying by himself. SCOTUS overturned his firing. You are misinformed.

 

[toobfreak]

I just see it as opening a can of worms.

Fine then, like I said, if there really is separation of church and state, and if someone brought up religion at a given school as a possible interest of inclusion in some fashion and degree and folks there saw more problems with doing so than benefit, then that is their decision!

The point is that the school itself has no legal right to EXCLUDE it across the board flatly verboten from the git-go despite the interests, needs and wishes of the community, ESPECIALLY using the Separation Clause as their argument, for by doing so, they are violating the very clause they portend to protect.

Separation of Church and State is the next biggest perverted boondoggle that needs addressed now that the previous one (RvW) has been.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Schools should stay out of the religious business. They should ALSO stay out of the business of politics.

They are there to teach and not indoctrinate.

 

[toobfreak]

Schools should stay out of the religious business.

What if the school district is 100% Hutterites or Amish, and they pay for and finance the school and want it included in their curriculum as a vital part of their children's education?

How do we have separation of church and state if the state is telling them what they cannot do?

Education is learning. Learning religion, if deemed a vital role in the community, is education no different from history or civics. All schools are there to teach the children of the community what that community deems important to know.

Our schools have been run for ages under a state-run curriculum more or less under the Dept of Education, and so is basically, wholly illegal.

Amazing how much the government does as our legal body is itself illegal.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Fine then, like I said, if there really is separation of church and state, and if someone brought up religion at a given school as a possible interest of inclusion in some fashion and degree and folks there saw more problems with doing so than benefit, then that is their decision!

The point is that the school itself has no legal right to EXCLUDE it across the board flatly verboten from the git-go despite the interests, needs and wishes of the community, ESPECIALLY using the Separation Clause as their argument, for by doing so, they are violating the very clause they portend to protect.

Separation of Church and State is the next biggest perverted boondoggle that needs addressed now that the previous one (RvW) has been.

Who's Church?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Schools should stay out of the religious business. They should ALSO stay out of the business of politics.

They are there to teach and not indoctrinate.

Indeed in K-12 the only politics discussed should be history class or civics class related.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Indeed in K-12 the only politics discussed should be history class or civics class related.

But our right wing nutters think everything is political.

Look at this useless thread.