Why teachers don't want the Bible studied in school.

[initforme]

Sans religious instruction public schools should at least teach rudimentary moral behavior. America is badly in need of such.

 

[initforme]

Sans religious instruction public schools should at least teach rudimentary moral behavior. America is badly in need of such.

Why are wevbadly in need of such? Does not resonate with this Christian whatsoever.

 

[SaxonJackson]

It has nothing to do with the so-called separation of church and state as the schools don't represent the state in the sense of making laws. They object because they fear that some students might take the Bible seriously which would upset their worldview, especially regarding the teaching of the ToE. They also fear that a force other than their own would unduly influence the students thinking and behavior. IOW, they see the Bible as a competitor and a threat to their authority. And in fact, it is.

The Bible is clear. There are two paths a human soul can take. The narrow path that leads to righteousness and the broad path that leads to death and destruction. "The World" has made its choice. The World has a worldview where Christians and the Bible cannot exist. This battle between good and evil as been going on since Adam was kicked out of the garden.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Fine then, like I said, if there really is separation of church and state, and if someone brought up religion at a given school as a possible interest of inclusion in some fashion and degree and folks there saw more problems with doing so than benefit, then that is their decision!

The point is that the school itself has no legal right to EXCLUDE it across the board flatly verboten from the git-go despite the interests, needs and wishes of the community, ESPECIALLY using the Separation Clause as their argument, for by doing so, they are violating the very clause they portend to protect.

Separation of Church and State is the next biggest perverted boondoggle that needs addressed now that the previous one (RvW) has been.

You could not be more wrong. SCOTUS has disagreed on numerous occasions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What if the school district is 100% Hutterites or Amish, and they pay for and finance the school and want it included in their curriculum as a vital part of their children's education?

How do we have separation of church and state if the state is telling them what they cannot do?

Education is learning. Learning religion, if deemed a vital role in the community, is education no different from history or civics. All schools are there to teach the children of the community what that community deems important to know.

Our schools have been run for ages under a state-run curriculum more or less under the Dept of Education, and so is basically, wholly illegal.

Amazing how much the government does as our legal body is itself illegal.

That would be a private school, dumbass!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What if the school district is 100% Hutterites or Amish, and they pay for and finance the school and want it included in their curriculum as a vital part of their children's education?

The kids can go to Church and receive their religious instructions there.

The separation of church and state cuts both ways you know. The same principles that restrict the ability religions to intrude upon the state do so the other way around as well.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Bible is clear. There are two paths a human soul can take. The narrow path that leads to righteousness and the broad path that leads to death and destruction. "The World" has made its choice. The World has a worldview where Christians and the Bible cannot exist. This battle between good and evil as been going on since Adam was kicked out of the garden.

This has nothing to do with public education.

 

[SaxonJackson]

This has nothing to do with public education.

Matter of perspective. From my perspective, the battle between good and evil is infused in every aspect of life; every institution; every venue; every walk of life.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Matter of perspective. From my perspective, the battle between good and evil is infused in every aspect of life; every institution; every venue; every walk of life.

Your perspective is wrong. If you want to raise kids like that, send them to private school. This is a nation if many faiths.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Your perspective is wrong. If you want to raise kids like that, send them to private school. This is a nation if many faiths.

Public school is a place of "many faiths" except for the Christian faith.

 

[DGS49]

It is entirely appropriate to teach that the Bible was/is an extremely influential document in Western Civilization.

I'm not sure of how Biblical morality would be taught, especially when much of Biblical morality has been overturned by the contemporary culture.

 

[toobfreak]

The kids can go to Church and receive their religious instructions there.

They can also play baseball on the weekend, so why shouldn't they during the week too if they have the time? The whole point of this is their having FREE choice, THEIR choice in deciding their religious coventry, and the State not being a part of it.

The separation of church and state cuts both ways you know.

No, I don't know, show me where it says that. The separation of church from state has nothing to do with religion in education any more than it has anything to do in religious observance within architecture, currency, or government buildings, it merely says that like guns, speech and so many other things, the government is not to have a hand in picking or regulating the free religious practices of the people, not whether they practice their chosen religions during school or on the school grounds.

That is what religion is /supposed/ to be, an organic part of our lives and society, like breathing, not hidden in some closet ashamed of it to only be brought out sunday mornings! So why do people keep trying to assign the government rights it does not have?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They can also play baseball on the weekend, so why shouldn't they during the week too if they have the time? The whole point of this is their having FREE choice, THEIR choice in deciding their religious coventry, and the State not being a part of it.


No, I don't know, show me where it says that. The separation of church from state has nothing to do with religion in education any more than it has anything to do in religious observance within architecture, currency, or government buildings, it merely says that like guns, speech and so many other things, the government is not to have a hand in picking or regulating the free religious practices of the people, not whether they practice their chosen religions during school or on the school grounds.

That is what religion is /supposed/ to be, an organic part of our lives and society, like breathing, not hidden in some closet ashamed of it to only be brought out sunday mornings! So why do people keep trying to assign the government rights it does not have?

Good grief! Didn't anyone ever teach you about run-on sentences?

The simple fact is you are wrong. That statement is false!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

They can also play baseball on the weekend, so why shouldn't they during the week too if they have the time? The whole point of this is their having FREE choice, THEIR choice in deciding their religious coventry, and the State not being a part of it.


No, I don't know, show me where it says that. The separation of church from state has nothing to do with religion in education any more than it has anything to do in religious observance within architecture, currency, or government buildings, it merely says that like guns, speech and so many other things, the government is not to have a hand in picking or regulating the free religious practices of the people, not whether they practice their chosen religions during school or on the school grounds.

That is what religion is /supposed/ to be, an organic part of our lives and society, like breathing, not hidden in some closet ashamed of it to only be brought out sunday mornings! So why do people keep trying to assign the government rights it does not have?

I tend to not argue too much with those I like.

We agree on many things, so let's just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[toobfreak]

I tend to not argue too much with those I like.
We agree on many things, so let's just agree to disagree on this one.

I get the objections. People are not used to seeing or thinking of our schools as being truly independent bastions of education free of the government, so are hesitant to intermix the two with religion. I get that.

This just goes farther to demonstrate that the whole separations of church and state thing we have always heard about and was promised is really a fraud. And people keep blocking out the part where I say it is /their/ choice, for them to choose if they decide the idea is desirable and workable or not. I never said they had to choose anything.

Who knows, maybe no one would choose it, but unless they are free to actually explore that potential for themselves, that means someone else is choosing for them, and the only other someone is the state, hence, the whole separations thing is just a fraud.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Aren't most teachers atheists as well as the school boards?

You've probably inadvertently hit the nail on the head on why Western education is crap.

Take India, their curriculum takes a secular and comparative approach, teaching students about the diverse history, philosophies, and cultural impact of major religions (such as Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Sikhism) through subjects like History and Social Studies. India consistently demonstrates exceptional academic excellence.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Let's get down to basics.

What does the following mean?

"There shall be no establishment of religion."

Let the confusion continue.

 

[Kruska]

Public school is a place of "many faiths" except for the Christian faith.

Honestly I never understood this issue in the USA.

In Germany Christians have 2x45 min a week of Religion, or 2x45 min of Ethics.
In larger schools one can also opt for 2x45 min of Islam studies.
In smaller (rural) schools those opting for ethics usually get to play 2x45 min in the school yard or Gym. (my daughter loves it)

What I personally didn't like is the banning of the Cross in classrooms - after-all till today Bavarian tradition centers around the catholic faith and it's culture. At least they should let the kids decide this matter upon being e.g. 16 and not the parents from primary one onward. Personally I wouldn't have any problem with my daughter asking me about the meaning of the cross. Even though I am an Atheist.

- so much for Lefty/Libs demanding tolerance -

When it starts to get really awkward is from grade 6 onward, when children (who are taking e.g. religion classes), are being taught e.g. one hour later, that being gay, lesbian or some drag-queen, is normal.

 

[SweetSue92]

I suggest just a reading course, no teaching needed. Kids are being taught the 'godawful' truth about our history, why not allow them the Godawful truth about the most important book in the western world?

What are you even saying? You're going to put the Bible in the hands of kids and suggest "reading only"? What Book? Exodus? Leviticus? Acts?

You realize that the teaching of reading includes lots of help with comprehension and interpretation, right?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Public school is a place of "many faiths" except for the Christian faith.

This is true, except everywhere in the US.