Why is it the Global Warming Zealots wont admit that they were wrong? Sociopaths never admit they are wrong.

[Old Rocks]

LOL, he doesn't seem to realize that it became a problem when GOVERNMENT took over health care control, it has been a pile of problems ever since.

Liar. When health care became a profit generating machine, health care in this nation has deteriorated compared to the other wealthy nations every since. They have longer, healthy lives than do Americans and they do not have 500,000 families suffering medical bankruptcy every year.

 

[Old Rocks]

The problem here is primarily in the timeframes they have established as the "benchmarks".

For example, almost universally they set the timeframes for consideration at some time after around 1860, at the tail end of the Little Ice Age. They specifically set as their "benchmark" a point that was the lowest in our planet's climate in over 2,000 years (denying it is an "anomaly" or "global", and scream anything outside of that is "too warm").

So when once realizes the fundamental flaw in their methodology, it is technically correct. If they were honest they would say "glaciers are still retreating and melting at unprecedented rates since the end of the Little Ice Age".

In reality, it is as uninteresting as saying that in July the winter snowpack is melting at unprecedented rates since December.

In the past 15,000 years we have had multiple warming periods significantly warmer than they are today. We have seen the coastline of Florida shrink significantly in that time, and during the same time periods there have been several eras where things cooled again and glaciers started to expand and advance once again.

And amazingly, confront them with the actual proof of what a "real interglacial" looks like, they absolutely ignore it.

I can't even begin to tell how many times I have used the above image. With image A being what Florida looked like in the last interglacial and every previous interglacial. The very fact that it does not look like that today screams we have yet to hit a peak climate of every previous interglacial.

Humans have lived through every interglacial in the past 3 million years. Our own species actually evolved two interglacials ago inside of an interglacial as a long distance endurance hunter. These are facts, paleontology and geology both prove those are absolute facts.

Yet they still believe their "New Age Religion" that tell them lies, and they want to believe the lies so bad they deny actual science. Then laughingly scream at those that try to inform them about real science that they are "anti-science" and "deniers".

You know, just like those that do not believe in a certain form of religion are screamed at as "heretics" and "infidels". And many of them are even demanding an auto de fe against any that refuse to agree with them.

Climate crimes must be brought to justice

Climate denial has increased the risk of catastrophic global change. Should international criminal law be used against those who promote this dangerous trend? Economic and political leaders can no longer pretend it is business as usual. Whether they actively induce environmental harm or just...

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They would all do Tomas de Torquemada proud.

As corporations have had to pay for past transgressions, where they put profit over people's lives, so shall the fossil fuel corporations eventually pay for their greed. Of course, that will not affect those who have made the decisions that have negatively affected peoples lives, they will be rich until they die. But maybe we can wrest a bit of that ill gotten gain from them. Just as we did with the tobacco and asbestos cases. Since the 1980's the fossil fuel corporations have known what the results of unlimited use of fossil fuels would be. Exxon scientists were hire to do a study, at the end of the study, they told the corporate officers that the result of the use of fossil fuels was going to be catastrophic. Not might be, going to be. Those corporate officers chose money over peoples lives. Their names should forever be damned.




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Exxon Scientists’ 1980s Predictions on Fossil Fuels and Climate Change​

In the 1980s, ExxonMobil’s internal research team produced detailed climate models showing that burning fossil fuels would cause significant and potentially catastrophic global warming. These projections were based on scientific understanding of the greenhouse effect and carbon dioxide’s role in trapping heat.

Key 1980s Findings​

• James F. Black, a senior Exxon scientist, warned in 1977–1978 that CO₂ from fossil fuel combustion would warm the planet and could endanger humanity. He cited independent research estimating that doubling atmospheric CO₂ could raise global temperatures by 2–3°C (4–5°F), with polar warming up to 10°C (18°F) Inside Climate News.
• Black also noted regional impacts: heavier rainfall in some areas, desertification in others, and reduced agricultural output in vulnerable regions. He stressed a five- to ten-year window before “hard decisions” on energy strategies might be critical Inside Climate News.
• By 1981–1982, Exxon had developed more sophisticated models projecting ~0.2°C of warming per decade from fossil fuel emissions, with a margin of error of ±0.04°C, a trend later confirmed by actual climate data news.harvard.edu+1.
• A 1982 proprietary model predicted CO₂ concentrations reaching 415 ppm by 2019 and a global temperature rise of nearly 1°C — remarkably close to the actual 2019 values Forbes.

Scientific Accuracy​

A 2023 Harvard-led analysis of Exxon’s internal documents (1977–2003) found that its climate projections were “shocking skill and accuracy”, often matching or exceeding independent academic and government models news.harvard.edu+1. The study concluded that Exxon’s scientists understood the risks decades before the company publicly denied them.

Exxon’s Public Response​

Despite these accurate forecasts, Exxon leadership funded climate change denial campaigns in the 1990s and 2000s, publishing ads and supporting scientists who contradicted the internal research Forbes. This created a public image of skepticism while the company’s own scientists were privately warning of a climate crisis.

In summary: Exxon’s 1980s scientists predicted that fossil fuel use would cause rapid, severe global warming with wide-ranging environmental and societal consequences. Their models were scientifically sound and accurate, but the company chose to suppress and distort that science for decades.
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[Sunsettommy]

LOL Another really dumb **** that did not research the fact that most scientists thought that global warming was more likely than an incipient ice age.

"How wide-spread were worries about global warming, then? An examination of peer-reviewed scientific literature conducted by a group of researchers in 2008, covering the mid-1960s through the 1970s, revealed that papers warning of global warming outnumbered those projecting cooling by a factor of six. We can then infer that climate change in the form of global warming was a widespread topic of concern during this era, and there was no consensus that the Earth would cool in the immediate future."

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/what-climate-scientists-were-predicting-in-the-1970s/

Once again you are massively LYING as it was indeed a big concern when the CIA, top scientists of the day talked about in the 1960's and 70's which I have posted several times in from of you there was over 250 published papers on it too.

Here is a few that will expose your lies.

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CIA 1974 : Global Cooling To Produce “global unrest beyond comprehension”​

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The Coming Ice Age - Climate Hysteria Circa 1978​

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Prophet of the Next Ice Age
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Is the Earths Climate Changing?
Hubert H. Lamb
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285 Papers 70s Cooling 1

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[Sunsettommy]

Liar. When health care became a profit generating machine, health care in this nation has deteriorated compared to the other wealthy nations every since. They have longer, healthy lives than do Americans and they do not have 500,000 families suffering medical bankruptcy every year.

Oh so you didn't know that Government created Medicare, Medicaid and Obama Care.

You are so freaking stupid!

 

[Mushroom]

LOL, he doesn't seem to realize that it became a problem when GOVERNMENT took over health care control, it has been a pile of problems ever since.

Some of us remember back in ancient history of the Dark Ages during the Clinton Administration when Senator Ted Kennedy was screaming that the current health care system that was in place was killing people and they had to do something to fix it now.

Then some pointed out that he was a vocal critic of President Nixon's plan to mandate employer offered health insurance, and when it failed he himself put forward the Health Maintenance Act of 1973. The very act that was still in place and he created. I remember shaking my head that so many people ignored that one of the people screaming that the current system was killing people was the very person that created that system.

And that he was screaming that they should follow almost the exact same blueprint that he screamed Nixon was wrong for proposing, and telling everybody that he should be trusted again to fix things.

That was the time period when I actually started to move away from both parties. Seeing that they had more interest in self-promotion and their own power than they did in actually solving problems.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Dumbass, President Obama got what he could. It did give health care for many that previously could not afford it. However the treasonous fat senile old orange clown has done everything he could to terminate that healthcare. Since the people in the red states were the primary beneficiaries of that program, they may be a surprise for the GOP, Greedy Old Perverts, come November.

HA HA HA HA HA, you are so bad at this since I have PERSONAL experience in how crappy the program is as doctors over time vacate Obamacare from their list, right now it hard to get a doctor for my daughters ADHD because many doesn't accept the only insurance coverage she has which is Obamacare.

Your ignorance is stunning.

 

[alang1216]

They will never admit they are wrong because that is their gravy train.

GW Scientists may get research funding and jobs but the anti-GW media folk are the ones making the BIG bucks.

You fail to realize CO2 doesn't make heatwaves which is a natural weather process.

As are snowstorms. You should tell this to Mikeoxenormous, he was the one who used "Heavy snow hits California in shocking late May winter blast" as an indicator opposing GW.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Global catastrophe fanatics; wrong since 1975!!!!!!!!! A new ice age did NOT set in!!!


Greg

But there is talk of the town, that we could be heading into a mini ice age as we speak.

https://oldmooresalmanac.com/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming/

 

[alang1216]

Here is a comparable heatwave in 1947, which shows you are no student of climate history.

The 1947 Heatwave, Which The Met Office Keeps Quiet About​

LINK

Heatwaves are a local weather phenomenon as are snowstorms. They don't really relate to climate history.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

LOL
A 47 year record of temperature from satellites. And from the start of the alarm on a warming world, real scientists were making predictions that have turned out to be very accurate. Their only failing seems to be that the time line they predicted is happening sooner than they predicted. Dr. Hansen in 1981 predicted that we would see the Northwest Passage open by the end of this century, it opened first in 2007, and in 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship transited the Passage. Here is the graph of the troposphere from the satellites for the last 47 years;

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yep, even when the UN has denounced that there is climate change, you like the good little Eichmann, just goosestep with the other facists, and continue the farce that the 90% have turned away from.

 

[Sunsettommy]

GW Scientists may get research funding and jobs but the anti-GW media folk are the ones making the BIG bucks.


As are snowstorms. You should tell this to Mikeoxenormous, he was the one who used "Heavy snow hits California in shocking late May winter blast" as an indicator opposing GW.

GW Scientists may get research funding and jobs but the anti-GW media folk are the ones making the BIG bucks.


As are snowstorms. You should tell this to Mikeoxenormous, he was the one who used "Heavy snow hits California in shocking late May winter blast" as an indicator opposing GW.

LOL, you still haven't realized that it is GOVERNMENT that is driving the climate change FRAUD, the IPCC is government run, Climate change grants comes primarily from the government universities are dependent of government money thus forced to tow their line about climate change propaganda.

Governments who drive the idiotic Net-Zero bullshit, who also pushed solar and wind using billions of taxpayer money, mandated EV's by law fiat by year 2030 which Trump mercifully removed.

On and on it goes while CO2 increase remains on a steady slope upward unfettered by significant Emission reductions.

 

[excalibur]

I'm sure they'll admit it, IF they are proved wrong. So far there is no such proof and glaciers are still retreating and melting at unprecedented rates. They have shrunk globally every year for the past 37 years, losing hundreds of billions of tons of ice annually. (Don't confuse weather with climate.)

A deadly heat wave hits Europe, with decades-old temperature records falling​

France called seven deaths there possibly heat-related, while the U.K. issued a water-safety warning after nine deaths there during high temperatures.

So 90º F temps are now dangerous? Sure, the Europeans refuse AC, thus causing deaths.

 

[EMH]

North America is experiencing reduced ice and snow and warming, because it is moving away from North Pole.

3 million years ago North America had more than 5 million cubic miles of ice on it. Now it has less than 50k including Ellesmere which is 30k of that.

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[Sunsettommy]

Heatwaves are a local weather phenomenon as are snowstorms. They don't really relate to climate history.

LOLOLOLOLOL

It actually happened at a much lower CO2 level and just as hot as the one today which means it happened long ago with no viable UHI effect they now have that help elevated todays temperature.

Your deflection is a sign that you are deliberately lying to yourself since what I posted is from the MET OFFICE.

 

[Old Rocks]

But there is talk of the town, that we could be heading into a mini ice age as we speak.

https://oldmooresalmanac.com/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming/

Mikey, old boi, I will remember this post as the summer progresses. LOL

 

[alang1216]

The problem here is primarily in the timeframes they have established as the "benchmarks".

For example, almost universally they set the timeframes for consideration at some time after around 1860, at the tail end of the Little Ice Age. They specifically set as their "benchmark" a point that was the lowest in our planet's climate in over 2,000 years (denying it is an "anomaly" or "global", and scream anything outside of that is "too warm").

So when once realizes the fundamental flaw in their methodology, it is technically correct. If they were honest they would say "glaciers are still retreating and melting at unprecedented rates since the end of the Little Ice Age".

In reality, it is as uninteresting as saying that in July the winter snowpack is melting at unprecedented rates since December.

In the past 15,000 years we have had multiple warming periods significantly warmer than they are today. We have seen the coastline of Florida shrink significantly in that time, and during the same time periods there have been several eras where things cooled again and glaciers started to expand and advance once again.

And amazingly, confront them with the actual proof of what a "real interglacial" looks like, they absolutely ignore it.

I can't even begin to tell how many times I have used the above image. With image A being what Florida looked like in the last interglacial and every previous interglacial. The very fact that it does not look like that today screams we have yet to hit a peak climate of every previous interglacial.

Humans have lived through every interglacial in the past 3 million years. Our own species actually evolved two interglacials ago inside of an interglacial as a long distance endurance hunter. These are facts, paleontology and geology both prove those are absolute facts.

Yet they still believe their "New Age Religion" that tell them lies, and they want to believe the lies so bad they deny actual science. Then laughingly scream at those that try to inform them about real science that they are "anti-science" and "deniers".

You know, just like those that do not believe in a certain form of religion are screamed at as "heretics" and "infidels". And many of them are even demanding an auto de fe against any that refuse to agree with them.

Climate crimes must be brought to justice

Climate denial has increased the risk of catastrophic global change. Should international criminal law be used against those who promote this dangerous trend? Economic and political leaders can no longer pretend it is business as usual. Whether they actively induce environmental harm or just...

courier.unesco.org

They would all do Tomas de Torquemada proud.

I think one issue is that climate naturally changes over centuries, now it appears to be changing over decades.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Mikey, old boi, I will remember this post as the summer progresses. LOL

Please do. And if the Almanac is correct, then you can be impressed. AOC and Al Jazeera Gore are 0% right.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=3cd4...W5hYytnZXQraXQrcmlnaHQmZm9ybT1DU0JSQU5E&ntb=1

How Often the Farmer’s Almanac Gets It Right​

The Old Farmer’s Almanac — the most well‑known version — claims its long‑range weather forecasts are accurate about 80% of the time on average The Old Farmer's Almanac+1. This figure comes from comparing its seasonal predictions to actual weather data over many years, focusing on trends and deviations from historical averages rather than daily forecasts.

 

[Sunsettommy]

So 90º F temps are now dangerous? Sure, the Europeans refuse AC, thus causing deaths.

The average high in jmy area uly and august is around 95F with negligible effects on the population because we use cooling equipment, I use swamp cooler.

Many people play in the heat too because we are adapted to it, Europeans could easily make some small adjustments and remove so much of the effect of a 90F day, heck I am 66 years old easily handling 90-95 F days in the OUTDOORS.

 

[EMH]

now it appears to be changing over decades.

Bull.

Earth has not warmed at all for at least the past 60 years.

Greenland froze while North America thawed in the past million years, ruling out

Sun
Atmosphere
CO2 in atmosphere

as suspects.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I think one issue is that climate naturally changes over centuries, now it appears to be changing over decades.

No climate isn't changing for most of the world you fell for this obvious propaganda since most people including YOU are profound Science Illiterates who doesn't realize most regions of the world have remained unchanged climatically for centuries.

Have you read of the Koppen Classification Index?

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Köppen climate classification​

The Köppen climate classification divides Earth's climates into five main climate groups, with each group being divided based on patterns of seasonal precipitation and temperature. The five main groups are A (tropical), B (arid), C (temperate), D (continental), and E (polar).

LINK

Mine is still BSk after being in the city for 60 years.

It has been the same for the last 12,000 years too in my region .