Why is it the Global Warming Zealots wont admit that they were wrong? Sociopaths never admit they are wrong.

[alang1216]

LOL, you still haven't realized that it is GOVERNMENT that is driving the climate change FRAUD, the IPCC is government run, Climate change grants comes primarily from the government universities are dependent of government money thus forced to tow their line about climate change propaganda.

Is the GOVERNMENT still driving the climate change FRAUD now that Trump is in power? I haven't seen any change in how scientists talk.

Governments who drive the idiotic Net-Zero bullshit, who also pushed solar and wind using billions of taxpayer money, mandated EV's by law fiat by year 2030 which Trump mercifully removed.

Too bad we don't have more solar and wind, gas prices would be no big deal.

On and on it goes while CO2 increase remains on a steady slope upward unfettered by significant Emission reductions.

Global fossil fuel and industrial greenhouse gas emissions are still increasing year-over-year. While renewables and clean tech are growing rapidly, overall energy demand is expanding just as quickly, meaning we are still adding more emissions to the air.

 

[Old Rocks]

North America is experiencing reduced ice and snow and warming, because it is moving away from North Pole.

3 million years ago North America had more than 5 million cubic miles of ice on it. Now it has less than 50k including Ellesmere which is 30k of that.

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So what you are saying, is that is spite of being much farther away from the pole, the ice sheet 25,000 years ago was just as big as that 3,000,000 million years ago. How is that if the distance from the pole determines the ice sheet? 2.5 cm per year, 2.5 km in a thousand years, 2500 km in a million years, 7500 km in 3 million years. LOL So, the North American continent was well north of it's present position, and had been for quite a while. Yet the glaciations were only just beginning. However, prior to that, the CO2 levels were higher. LOL

Position of the North American Continent 3 Million Years Ago​

About 3 million years ago, North America was still in the early Pleistocene epoch, part of the Cenozoic Era, and had already been drifting northward from its position in the late Mesozoic and early Cenozoic.

At that time, the continent was well north of its present position, but not yet in the full glacial maximums of the Pleistocene. The Atlantic Ocean had been widening for tens of millions of years, separating North America from Europe and Africa, and the South Atlantic was still opening, separating South America from Africa. The Pacific Ocean had been in place for much longer, with the western margin of North America still shaped by the Laramide Orogeny, which had begun around 80 million years ago and was still active in the early Pleistocene.

Paleogeographic context:

• Continental drift: North America had been moving north and west relative to the supercontinent breakup, but its position was still influenced by the slow motion of the North American Plate.
• Coastlines: The Atlantic coast was farther east than today, and the Gulf of Mexico was still a significant body of water, though smaller than in the Cretaceous.
• Climate: The climate was cooler than in the late Cenozoic warm periods, but not yet dominated by the full glacial cycles. The Pleistocene glacial advances and retreats had begun, with ice sheets starting to form in high latitudes.
• Tectonics: The western margin was still tectonically active, with the Laramide-style uplifts and faulting continuing to shape mountain ranges like the Rocky Mountains.

In summary, 3 million years ago, North America was in its current continental configuration but still in the early stages of Pleistocene glacial cycles, with the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans in their present positions, and the continent moving slowly northward over the North American Plate Wikipedia+1.

 

[EMH]

we are still adding more emissions to the air

that has not warmed Earth's atmosphere at all for at least the past 60+ years

sincerely,

satellites
balloons
surface air pressure

 

[EMH]

So what you are saying, is that is spite of being much farther away from the pole, the ice sheet 25,000 years ago was just as big as that 3,000,000 million years ago

????????


No, dumbass, North America had over 5 million cubic miles of ice 3 million years ago, less than a million 25k years ago. Continent specific ice ages don't melt overnight.

 

[alang1216]

No climate isn't changing for most of the world you fell for this obvious propaganda since most people including YOU are profound Science Illiterates who doesn't realize most regions of the world have remained unchanged climatically for centuries.

Have you read of the Koppen Classification Index?

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Köppen climate classification​

The Köppen climate classification divides Earth's climates into five main climate groups, with each group being divided based on patterns of seasonal precipitation and temperature. The five main groups are A (tropical), B (arid), C (temperate), D (continental), and E (polar).

LINK

Mine is still BSk after being in the city for 60 years.

It has been the same for the last 12,000 years too in my region .

Rising global temperatures are altering climatic zones around the planet, with consequences for food and water security, local economies, and public health.

 

[EMH]

At that time, the continent was well north of its present position, but not yet in the full glacial maximums of the Pleistocene

this is the laughable McBullshit Milankovich Cycle stuff where 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier was only 70k years old.... yeah right...


obliterated here...

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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[alang1216]

that has not warmed Earth's atmosphere at all for at least the past 60+ years

sincerely,

satellites
balloons
surface air pressure

You'll forgive me if I don't that your word for it.

 

[Old Rocks]

No climate isn't changing for most of the world you fell for this obvious propaganda since most people including YOU are profound Science Illiterates who doesn't realize most regions of the world have remained unchanged climatically for centuries.

Have you read of the Koppen Classification Index?

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Köppen climate classification​

The Köppen climate classification divides Earth's climates into five main climate groups, with each group being divided based on patterns of seasonal precipitation and temperature. The five main groups are A (tropical), B (arid), C (temperate), D (continental), and E (polar).

LINK

Mine is still BSk after being in the city for 60 years.

It has been the same for the last 12,000 years too in my region .

Dumb-de-dumb dumb. I live in Salem, Oregon. In front of my house are two palm trees. I have a producing lime tree by the front door, and a fig bush in the back yard. I lived in Salem for a few years in the late '50's, and remember none of these plants at that time. Here are some facts;




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Tropicalization of the Temperate Zone​

Tropicalization is the process by which tropical organisms expand their ranges into temperate ecosystems in response to climate change, particularly warming winter temperatures and reduced extreme cold events UCF College of Sciences+1.

What It Means​

Tropical organisms—native to warm equatorial zones such as rainforests, coral reefs, and deserts—move poleward into previously cooler temperate regions. This shift is driven by:

• Rising minimum winter temperatures that remove a long-standing barrier to cold-intolerant species UCF College of Sciences.
• Declining frequency and intensity of extreme cold events, which previously limited tropical species’ survival USGS.gov+1.
• Changes in ocean currents (e.g., poleward shifts in warm-water currents) that transport tropical marine life into temperate latitudes biologyinsights.com.

Examples​

• Marine: Parrotfish (Calotomus japonicus) in Japan grazing on temperate kelp, causing “isoyake” (algal forest to sea desert) UCF College of Sciences.
• Coastal: Red mangroves (Rhizophora mangle) replacing salt marshes in Florida, Louisiana, and Texas UCF College of Sciences.
• Terrestrial: Tropical fish, reptiles, amphibians, and insects expanding into temperate zones USGS.gov.
• Sea turtles: Nesting farther north (e.g., Delaware) due to warmer nesting grounds UCF College of Sciences.

Ecological Impacts​

• Loss of cold-adapted species: Temperate species may decline or be displaced USGS.gov.
• Trophic shifts: Tropical herbivores can degrade kelp forests, favoring low-biomass algae biologyinsights.com.
• Biodiversity changes: Some areas see increased species richness, but shifts in community composition dominate biologyinsights.com.
• Ecosystem regime shifts: Entire ecosystem structures can change, such as mangrove expansion replacing salt marshes UCF College of Sciences.

Why It Matters​

Tropicalization is a visible sign of climate change’s ecological effects. It can:

• Alter food webs and nutrient cycling.
• Impact fisheries, agriculture, and coastal habitats.
• Reduce resilience if extreme cold events return, causing “cold-stunning” mass mortality UCF College of Sciences+1.

In North America, warming winters are expected to accelerate tropicalization in the 21st century, with significant implications for biodiversity, ecosystem services, and human livelihoods USGS.gov+1.
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[EMH]

You'll forgive me if I don't that your word for it.

Here's NBC's report of the CO2 FRAUD fudging satellite and balloon data...


What did the ACTUAL satellite and balloon data show before being FUDGED?

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

"satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling."


Translation from NBC - for more than three decades of rising atmospheric CO2, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed precisely NO WARMING in the atmosphere

"Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or something was wrong with the data."

LOL, no conflict of interest there...

 

[Old Rocks]

this is the laughable McBullshit Milankovich Cycle stuff where 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier was only 70k years old.... yeah right...


obliterated here...

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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[alang1216]

Bull.

Earth has not warmed at all for at least the past 60 years.

Greenland froze while North America thawed in the past million years, ruling out

Sun
Atmosphere
CO2 in atmosphere

as suspects.

NASA disagrees with you.

 

[EMH]

^^^^^^


Translation - CO2 FRAUD cannot refute that linked topic's OP...

 

[Old Rocks]

Here's NBC's report of the CO2 FRAUD fudging satellite and balloon data...


What did the ACTUAL satellite and balloon data show before being FUDGED?

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

"satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling."


Translation from NBC - for more than three decades of rising atmospheric CO2, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed precisely NO WARMING in the atmosphere

"Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or something was wrong with the data."

LOL, no conflict of interest there...

Liar

 

[Old Rocks]

^^^^^^


Translation - CO2 FRAUD cannot refute that linked topic's OP...

LOL I am 82 years old. I have seen the warming on the mountains in Oregon and Washington. Snow come later and leaves faster than when I was young. The weather year around is warmer, and there are plants growing now in areas that would not have survived when I was young. 9 1/2 gallons of limes from the tree by my front door in the Willamette Valley. A couple of palm trees in front of the house. Yes, there has been significant warming.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Alang writes,

Is the GOVERNMENT still driving the climate change FRAUD now that Trump is in power? I haven't seen any change in how scientists talk.

Trump is the one reducing the government power and control over the climate change propaganda train.

Yes they have changed as the IPCC recently dumped the RCP 8.5 and 7.0 scenarios from the CHMIP modeling set up which real scientists has said from day one are impossible and junk science.

Too bad we don't have more solar and wind, gas prices would be no big deal.

Too bad that your ignorance of bad economics is hurting you as electric prices have soared and line instability has increased and built largely because of overly generous tax breaks and subsidies all that came from tax payers.

Warren Buffet got over 6 billion tax money returns for building them but he said that is the ONLY reason why he was building them was for the free tax money as they are actually impractical for power production.

Global fossil fuel and industrial greenhouse gas emissions are still increasing year-over-year. While renewables and clean tech are growing rapidly, overall energy demand is expanding just as quickly, meaning we are still adding more emissions to the air.

Misleading since it is China that exploded upward along with India, while America has been dropping for the last 15 years.

China LINK

India LINK

America LINK

 

[Old Rocks]

^^^^^^


Translation - CO2 FRAUD cannot refute that linked topic's OP...

Oh, who to trust, some anonymous poster that shows no evidence of any scientific knowledge, or scientists who have spent decades studying their discipline? Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Sciences, and every major University on this planet has policy statements that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. Ah well, you just can't fix stupid. LOL

 

[EMH]

NASA disagrees with you.

LOL!!!!

"NASA" = some CO2 FRAUD fudgebakers...


All forms of Air Pressure are correlated with temperature. If Earth was warming, which it is not, surface air pressure would go up, but it isn't.

This is Mars showing extreme correlation between distance from Sun (planetary temp) and SAP...

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[EMH]

who to trust

PARROTING, who do you PARROT, that's the question.

Science actually is not about parroting, it is about theory and data.


Your theory is that increasing atmospheric CO2 causes atmospheric warming.

Your side never had any actual data to back that claim up, just FUDGE.

 

[EMH]

there has been significant warming.

Not in the ACTUAL unFUDGED data.

Earth climate data continues to read precisely

NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
NO WARMING in the OCEANS
NO OCEAN RISE
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
NO BREAKOUT in Cane Activity
NO RISE in SURFACE AIR PRESSURE

 

[Sunsettommy]

Rising global temperatures are altering climatic zones around the planet, with consequences for food and water security, local economies, and public health.

LOL, no you are making a complete fool of yourself here since you didn't bother to look in the link that shows even with changes in temperature and precipitation climate zones will remain the same for a long time.

From Wikipedia you lazily ignored.

The Köppen climate classification divides Earth's climates into five main climate groups, with each group being divided based on patterns of seasonal precipitation and temperature. The five main groups are A (tropical), B (arid), C (temperate), D (continental), and E (polar).

There are only FIVE climate zones in existence.

When was the Arctic region NOT a polar region......

When was Equador region NOT a Tropical region.....

When was Antarctica region NOT a polar region.....

When was the Sahara NOT a dry region.....

Surely it becomes obvious when you actually try to think.