Why is it the Global Warming Zealots wont admit that they were wrong? Sociopaths never admit they are wrong.

Really? 1.1 degree Celsius in insignificant? LOL You simply cannot face the reality and want to put your head in the sand and ignore it.

The Willamette Valley has warmed by approximately 1.1°C per century, with notable increases in both air and river temperatures.

Long-Term​

Research using archival data and statistical models shows that water temperatures in the lower Willamette River have increased by about 1.1°C per century since the mid-19th century, with the largest warming observed in winter months (January–February, ~1.3°C per century) and smaller increases in late spring (May–June, ~0.8°C per century) (Talke et al., 2023). Air temperatures in the Pacific Northwest, including the Willamette Valley, have similarly risen by roughly 1.1°C since 1900, consistent with regional climate model predictions (Mote et al., 2019).
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Seasonal​

The warming has altered seasonal patterns in the river system. Cold-water days below 2°C have virtually disappeared, and the river no longer freezes in winter. Conversely, the number of days exceeding the ecologically important threshold of 20°C has increased by about 20 days, now averaging around 60 days per year. These changes affect aquatic ecosystems, including salmon populations, which are sensitive to elevated water temperatures (Talke et al., 2023).
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Contributing​

While climate-driven air temperature increases account for the majority of warming (approximately 0.81°C since 1900), human activities such as reservoir construction, river depth changes, and managed water releases have contributed an additional ~0.34°C to river warming. Seasonal water management can temporarily reduce temperatures by up to 0.56°C in late summer (Talke et al., 2023). These anthropogenic factors have also reduced daily temperature variability and altered the river’s response to short-term weather events.
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Summary​

Overall, the Willamette Valley has experienced clear warming over the last century, with both air and river temperatures rising by roughly 1.1°C. This warming is most pronounced in winter months and has significant ecological implications, including longer periods of warm water and the disappearance of freezing events. Both climate change and human modifications to the river system have contributed to these trends, highlighting the combined influence of natural and anthropogenic factors on regional temperature changes (Talke et al., 2023; Mote et al., 2019).
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It is clear you didn't read my two liks where it completely suports each other.

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Salem Climate Summary​

Located at an elevation of 1415.2 meters (4643.04 feet) above sea level, Salem has a Mediterranean, warm summer climate (Classification: Csb).

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Now as it was in 1950..

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Climate of Salem, Oregon in 1950 (Köppen Classification)
In the early 1950s, Salem, Oregon would have been classified under the Köppen climate classification as Csb — Warm-summer Mediterranean climate.


Climate is the same you liar!

2026 today has the same climate for Salem as it was in 1950.

There has been NO climate change for Salem.

That is a fact!
 
LOL Another really dumb **** that did not research the fact that most scientists thought that global warming was more likely than an incipient ice age.

Go ahead O.R., try to dump on Greg to deflect as if he were the problem. What you just said above is a total load of crap--- so much so that I won't even dignify delving into its flaws. Who do you think you are talking to? Stupid, uneducated people who just fell off the back of a turnip truck?

I LIVED through the whole era, I have a Sheldon Cooper-like memory recall on most things. I know and remember quite well back in the 1970s the whole trend. Back then, the coming ice age was as big a movement as the global warming/climate change crowd of today are, except that, if I really had to guess, I'd say a coming ice age is not only really the bigger chance of the two, but the far bigger problem of the two.

It could very well happen that a few "warming blips" in climatic trends are actually a precursor to and a warning of the next holocenic fluctuation, of which there have been how many? I'm losing count.

The Holocene affords us a resolution not available in previous earlier times... it has actually involved nothing but uncertainty, first a warming period, a cooling period, warming, cooling, yes, the Earth hardly really needs man for change, change is part of the eternal calculation with Mother Earth.

Throw her a curve? Hit her with a 9 mile diameter asteroid? Blow her to smithereens?

Even THEN, the Earth deals with it, recovers, heals, and self-corrects back to its own internal balances and rhythm.

Man is but an irritant.
 
LOL
A 47 year record of temperature from satellites.
And if you were an honest researcher, you'd see two 20 year patterns there-- insignificant in the time scale of the Earth, worse, which one is right? The earlier 20 years which he have deviated from, or was THAT a deviation from the current trend which it just returned to? Problem is, your chart isn't enough data to draw any conclusion other than to continue watching and collecting data.

Worse, I'm not sure what you expect anyone to do? All go out and buy EVs? Kill all the cattle? Perhaps give up travel and television? Whatever is going to happen dude, is going to happen.

Dr. Hansen in 1981 predicted that we would see the Northwest Passage open by the end of this century, it opened first in 2007,
Whatever. Again, coincidence does not mean correlation. If global warming and MMCC were the problem you claim, the time to realize it and begin effecting global plans to make changes was probably back in the 1980s, when they were still warning us of the coming ice age instead...
 
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From post #19 is this whopper of a lie from Old Rocks, since the NW passage was traversed in 1944 and earlier which I showed to this man several times before which he always ignores:

Dr. Hansen in 1981 predicted that we would see the Northwest Passage open by the end of this century, it opened first in 2007, and in 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship transited the Passage. Here is the graph of the troposphere from the satellites for the last 47 years;


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First Verified Passages​

  • 1850–1851: Irish explorer Robert McClure discovered a water route but could not sail through due to ice, hauling sledges to complete the journey Wikipedia+1.
  • 1854: John Rae found a more southerly, ice-free route Wikipedia.
  • 1903–1906: Norwegian Roald Amundsen made the first complete passage entirely by ship, navigating through the ice Wikipedia+1.

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The 1944 Northwest Passage Transit​

In 1944, the RCMP schooner St. Roch made history by completing the first single-season Northwest Passage transit. Under the leadership of Staff Sergeant Henry Asbjørn Larsen, the crew sailed 11,740 kilometers (about 7,290 miles) in 86 days, navigating the northern route of the passage
 
LOL Another really dumb **** that did not research the fact that most scientists thought that global warming was more likely than an incipient ice age.

"How wide-spread were worries about global warming, then? An examination of peer-reviewed scientific literature conducted by a group of researchers in 2008, covering the mid-1960s through the 1970s, revealed that papers warning of global warming outnumbered those projecting cooling by a factor of six. We can then infer that climate change in the form of global warming was a widespread topic of concern during this era, and there was no consensus that the Earth would cool in the immediate future."

Well THAT is really FUNNY!!! Our lecturer later became the State "Chief Scientist" and he was attached to the Enviro Studies faculty, He was all the way with the Global Cooling crap. We had a THIRTY YEAR COOLING TREND!!!!

The Scientific Consensus (Warming): Climate scientists understood the dominant heat-trapping effect of rising \(CO_{2}\). In 1975, prominent geochemist Wallace Broecker published a landmark paper in Science declaring that the 30-year natural cooling trend was about to bottom out, giving way to a "pronounced warming".

So the CONSENSUS prior to 1975 was that the cooling trend was ending or that WHEN it ended there would be an upcycle of warming....consistent with the sixty year cycle.

You really are a dill!!

Why do you forget the THIRTY YEAR COOLING TREND, drongo!!!??



Greg
 
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LOL!!!!

"NASA" = some CO2 FRAUD fudgebakers...


All forms of Air Pressure are correlated with temperature. If Earth was warming, which it is not, surface air pressure would go up, but it isn't.

This is Mars showing extreme correlation between distance from Sun (planetary temp) and SAP...



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I don't think your air pressure idea is valid for an uncontained gas. As the Earth warms the atmosphere will just expand upwards without a pressure change.
 
So you Trumpanzee's solution is to go full Nazi. LOL No, the sane left wants nothing to do with Marxism. Democratic Socialism is a different matter. No families suffering bankruptcy in the other 31 wealthy nations because they have full single payer health care. Whereas here in the US, we have about 500,000 families going bankrupt every year because of medical bills.

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Annual Medical Bankruptcy Filings in the U.S.​

Recent research estimates that about 500,000 to 530,000 U.S. families file for bankruptcy each year due to medical bills Forbes+1. This figure represents personal bankruptcies directly tied to medical expenses or illness-related loss of income.

Key details from the data​

  • 500,000 families per year are estimated to experience medical bankruptcy, according to Self’s analysis Self.
  • 530,000 personal bankruptcies annually are linked to medical debt, with about two-thirds of all U.S. personal bankruptcies tied to medical expenses or work loss from illness Forbes.
  • Medical bankruptcy disproportionately affects low-income households (3.2× higher risk than high-income households) and certain racial/ethnic groups, with Black households facing 1.5× the risk of white households worldmetrics.org.
  • The average medical debt in bankruptcy cases is about $72,340 worldmetrics.org.
  • High out-of-pocket costs (61%) and chronic illnesses (45%) are the top causes of medical bankruptcy worldmetrics.org.

Why the numbers matter​

These figures highlight that medical debt is a leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the U.S., far exceeding rates in other developed countries. The financial strain from unpaid medical bills can lead to long-term consequences such as credit score drops, housing instability, and reduced economic mobility worldmetrics.org+1.

In summary: Roughly 500,000–530,000 U.S. families go bankrupt each year from medical bills, making it one of the most common and costly drivers of personal bankruptcy in the country.

LOL and you prove the point like a ******* idiot.
 
Well THAT is really FUNNY!!! Our lecturer later became the State "Chief Scientist" and he was attached to the Enviro Studies faculty, He was all the way with the Global Cooling crap. We had a THIRTY YEAR COOLING TREND!!!!

The Scientific Consensus (Warming): Climate scientists understood the dominant heat-trapping effect of rising \(CO_{2}\). In 1975, prominent geochemist Wallace Broecker published a landmark paper in Science declaring that the 30-year natural cooling trend was about to bottom out, giving way to a "pronounced warming".

So the CONSENSUS prior to 1975 was that the cooling trend was ending or that WHEN it ended there would be an upcycle of warming....consistent with the sixty year cycle.

You really are a dill!!

Why do you forget the THIRTY YEAR COOLING TREND, drongo!!!??



Greg

And at about that same time I had a teacher who was a geologist. And he was explaining to all of us that the current claims of "New Ice Age" were all bogus. Then went into explaining about albedo, and that as ice melts the planet warms faster. And that while the albedo was increasing because there was increased year-round snow cover in northern climes, it was not building up in thickness which is what would precede a real ice age. And that the glaciers were not expanding, also key signals of a new ice age.

That the at that time cooling trend was just a temporary cooling trend, and once the decade or so that had stuck around melted things would warm again. And warm faster and quicker once that surface snow melted off.

That was probably 1978-1979, and absolutely everything he stated back then was completely accurate. Of course, he was primarily a geologist so seemed to understand the actual cycles far more than the doomsters did.
 
I don't think your air pressure idea is valid for an uncontained gas


Atmospheres are contained, they have the planet's surface on one side and are force constrained by gravity on the other side.

The equation isn't completely linear like the "rigid container" formula, but the correlation with T is there. Mars proves it. When Earth actually does warm, surface air pressure goes way up.




"The Jurassic period (about 201–145 million years ago) was one of Earth’s warmest and wettest extended intervals

There were no polar ice caps"

(because there was little to no land near the poles), meaning all the gas trapped in Antarctic ice, which is more than is in atmosphere now, was back in atmosphere



"then the giant flying creatures of the dinosaur age could only fly if the atmospheric pressure was much higher than it is now: at least 3.7–5.0 bar."



and that's what it was.


So if there was

1. an ongoing net ice melt, Surface Air Pressure (SAP) would go up
2. warming, SAP would go up


but SAP is not going up, proving

Earth is not warming
Earth is not experiencing an ongoing net ice melt
 
first a warming period, a cooling period, warming, cooling, yes


your "evidence" of that is one ice core from Antarctica.

In the past million years

North America warmed dramatically
Greenland cooled dramatically

AT THE SAME TIME...
 
a real ice age



You and CO2 FRAUD are completely wrong about the definition of ice age.

 
Atmospheres are contained, they have the planet's surface on one side and are force constrained by gravity on the other side.
Wrong. Gravity is no constraint, the atmosphere is free to expand into space.

The equation isn't completely linear like the "rigid container" formula, but the correlation with T is there. Mars proves it. When Earth actually does warm, surface air pressure goes way up.
Completely wrong, again. Data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) shows that during the summer months, average surface air pressures over the ocean drop as temperatures rise, while the heavier, denser winter air masses push the barometer higher. [1, 2]
 
Completely wrong, again. Data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) shows that during the summer months, average surface air pressures over the ocean drop as temperatures rise, while the heavier, denser winter air masses push the barometer higher.

Remember, these are the same people that believe that warmer air is drier than colder air, and that a warmer planet would cause more drought.
 
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It's almost as if the MAGAts have stopped the seas from warming and the glaciers from retreating.

Almost.
 
the atmosphere is free to expand into space


and it does. During Jurassic with 3-5 times current SAP, atmosphere likely expanded significantly outward, as oceans would rise if you added twice the water....



Gravity is no constraint


Then jump to Mars for us...


Gravity is a force. Mars' atmosphere is like 20-50 feet thick, and air pressure at your head is like half of what it is at your knees.


A planet with an atmosphere contains and transports the gas (around the Sun). Our Earth SAP has been constant out to 5 digits for decades if not centuries. Earth fully qualifies as a "container" of gas, just not "rigid" on one side. Warm that atmosphere and pressure goes up.

Sincerely,

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It's almost as if the MAGAts have stopped the seas from warming and the glaciers from retreating.

Almost.



Well then show us all photos documenting "ocean rise..."
 
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that during the summer months, average surface air pressures over the ocean drop as temperatures rise, while the heavier, denser winter air masses push the barometer higher



Thanks.... except that is complete BS and easily disproven. SAP is a planetary function. It is the same at sea level everywhere. What causes the blip up during NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WINTER is the same thing that drives the Mars SAP chart, distance from Sun. Earth has a much less elliptical orbit than Mars, but it is closet to the Sun during... ... ... LOL....

GoogAI:
Earth is at its closest point to the Sun, an event called perihelion, in early January (typically around January 3rd or 4th)


and because it is closest to Sun there, it WARMS there (slightly)... and THAT causes the SAP "spike" up and down, not the phony summer winter "oscillation."




One ice core from Antarctica is a LOCAL measure.

Surface Air Pressure is a PLANETARY measure. If it isn't going up, your planet isn't warming and its polar caps aren't melting.
 
It's almost as if the MAGAts have stopped the seas from warming and the glaciers from retreating.
Almost.
Well then show us all photos documenting "ocean rise..."
I'm amazed you don't ask for temperature charts for the seas and photos to show glacier retreat.

Why the deflection?

Will all the evidence be fake news?
 
photos to show glacier retreat


AA and Greenland, 97% of Earth ice, both grow a new layer of ice on top every year = not melting, not retreating

Europe's and NA's glaciers are retreating, have been for millions of years, as both are tectonic plates moving away from North Pole. Greenland was completely green save mountains 2 million years ago, but is now covered with ice age glacier more than a mile thick in some areas, because it moved closer to North Pole.


You were asked a simple question, can you show us a photo documenting ocean rise. You can't, because there is no ocean rise, because there is no ongoing net ice melt, because Planet Earth is not warming and has not warmed at all for at least the past 60+ years.
 
It's almost as if the MAGAts have stopped the seas from warming and the glaciers from retreating.

Almost.

AA and Greenland, 97% of Earth ice, both grow a new layer of ice on top every year = not melting, not retreating

Europe's and NA's glaciers are retreating, have been for millions of years, as both are tectonic plates moving away from North Pole. Greenland was completely green save mountains 2 million years ago, but is now covered with ice age glacier more than a mile thick in some areas, because it moved closer to North Pole.


You were asked a simple question, can you show us a photo documenting ocean rise. You can't, because there is no ocean rise, because there is no ongoing net ice melt, because Planet Earth is not warming and has not warmed at all for at least the past 60+ years.
Yet I have not claimed I have a photo of ocean rise. I have photos of glaciers retreating as the earth warms and copies of charts showing sea temperature increase.

But thanks for your crazed response, it showed what sort of conversation I'd entered.

My bad.
 
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