Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

Exactly. The only good reason for the first Christians to risk persecution, imprisonment and death by believing worshiping Jesus is God is because they saw Jesus do things that only God can.
No, they didn't see Jesus do anything. Damn. They were told fairy tales that they took literally, but at least they had an excuse. Its mind boggling that some people like you brag that you still do. I believe I believe I believe :cuckoo:.

You did go to school... right? You learned about science, biology, history, literature, figurative language, etc.?

You have no excuse.
 
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What does this have to do with 'belief' being an excuse. You just ignored post #(1282).

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what then was the christian guide -

and for those in salem

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christian accusations ... their motivation and phony beliefs.

the crucifiers are yet brought to justice, their initial crime their christian bible and throughout history repeating themselves without a scintilla of remorse ... q-trill.
 
I am a god. Yes, that's right.

Don't believe me?

Why is that so hard to believe?


Yes, Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it pretty clear that by at least some definition of the term "god" you are indeed a "god" but I believe that this full topic can become truly terrifying in its possible implications?


29;My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30;I and my Father are one.

31p;Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32;Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33;The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34;Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35;If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36;Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37;If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38;But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39;Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

40;And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

41;And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

42;And many believed on him there.




I am of the belief that you and I can pray, and ask our Creator for many huge and scary favors, and we will get an answer.

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In recent decades, the relationship between prayer and healing has moved from the realm of personal belief into the domain of scientific investigation. A growing body of research, conducted under rigorous clinical conditions, suggests that prayer may indeed have measurable effects on physical health. Studies published in respected medical journals and reported by major news outlets such as the BBC have found statistically significant improvements in outcomes for patients who were the recipients of intercessory prayer – even when they were unaware they were being prayed for. These findings span a range of medical conditions, from heart disease to AIDS, and have been echoed in the work of researchers like Dr. Larry Dossey, who has extensively explored the healing power of prayer. Together, this emerging evidence points to the possibility that prayer taps into a form of transcendental consciousness – one that may influence health and healing in ways science is only beginning to understand.


 
Yes, Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it pretty clear that by at least some definition of the term "god" you are indeed a "god" but I believe that this full topic can become truly terrifying in its possible implications?




I am of the belief that you and I can pray, and ask our Creator for many huge and scary favors, and we will get an answer.
No, I'm the only god.
 
Ok, then why do you suppose the first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God which is an historical fact recorded by non-Christian historians?

they were not christians during that time, jesus never claimed to be the jew messiah their false accusations is how the jews had him crucified to relieve themselves of any remorse for their crime.

there are no recordings you claim etched in stone during the events described nor from jesus as proof from them the relevance they were expressing with their return had it occurred - as having not done so is all but certain proof the christian bible is a fraud.
 

Catholics are likely the ones who will learn from this video, and maybe not even all of them. "Catholics" (CINOs) who have been totally indoctrinated by the V2 sect may not "get it"... and most, if not all Protestants will ignore it and move on to some other thread or post... since they tend to dismiss Catholic theology outright..

There is a lot of information in this video. I had to watch it more than once and stop it here and there, maybe 15 times, in order to fully comprehend the message in all its details...

This information is so different from what one always or usually hears... and that's why one has to do this kind of checking and re-checking multiple times. Most people do not have a clue. I myself did not know a Sedevacantist from a Buddhist 5 years ago.

One needs to know this information...
 

Catholics are likely the ones who will learn from this video, and maybe not even "Catholics" who have been indoctrinated by the V2 sect...

There is a lot of information in this video. I had to watch it more than once and stop it here and there, maybe 15 times, in order to fully comprehend the message... which is so different from what one always or usually hears that... you have to do this kind of checking and re-checking. Most people do not have a clue. I myself did not a Sedevacantist from a Buddhist 5 years ago.

One needs to know this information...
Catholics?

You mean, Infidels.

I'm the one true god.
 
Ha, no, not really.
I have been studying near death experience accounts since the 1990's and I have ran into quite a bit of information that could be related to you and I having some sort of spirit or soul within us that pre-existed long before we were even conceived, [at least in the vast majority of cases anyway].


If I remember correctly there was at least some information related to that topic in this article by near death experiencer Kevin Williams Ph. D.

1. Introduction To Missions and the NDE​

Near-death experiences (NDEs) challenge the idea that life is random or meaningless. NDErs often return convinced that they were sent back because of an important “mission” still remaining for them to finish. NDE testimonies show our mission is a purposeful plan developed by us in spirit realms before birth, lived out in life on Earth through free will and destiny, and reviewed in the light when this life ends. This sense of mission is revealed in many ways: through encounters with a Being of Light, Jesus Christ, a “presence”, angelic beings, spirit guides, departed loved ones, a Council of Elders, an inner voice, or even vivid memories of existence before birth or between lives. The details may differ, but the core message is that every soul comes to Earth for spiritual growth that matters not only personally, but collectively and divinely.


 
I have been studying near death experience accounts since the 1990's and I have ran into quite a bit of information that could be related to you and I having some sort of spirit or soul within us that pre-existed long before we were even conceived, [at least in the vast majority of cases anyway].


If I remember correctly there was at least some information related to that topic in this article by near death experiencer Kevin Williams Ph. D.
And I read your interesting posts.
 
Something is an excuse only if one tries to make it. But even though one tries to make it, doesn't mean it is valid.

not when the excuse is baked into their beliefs for their actions, believing falsehoods without remorse as those that continue to commit the same crimes over and over again. their excuse is their beliefs being their admission. q-trll
 
From OP

[Do we have a problem in relating to God] because:
  • Lack of belief we are lovable
  • Lack of belief we are cared for
  • Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
  • Lack of belief we have a reason for being
That's a very interesting list.

Almost all humans have suffered at least one but usually more than one of those on the list. If your parents did not love you very well, you will have a hard time believing you are lovable and your low self esteem may last a lifetime if you don't do anything about it. Then people work on such, only to find that they fall back into old patterns of thinking and feeling.

I have often felt that God not only did not care, but that He was against me... the worst feeling a person can have. However, Jesus does not look at the same qualities or attributes that humans look at (or for) in others. And when fallen humans don't find those attributes, they dislike that person or persons and possibly even treat them shabbily just because they don't "measure up" to expectations..

This is why one needs to spend time alone with God (in nature, preferably). Another great place to be alone with Jesus is in the Real Presence, which for now still abides in the Catholic Churches. But that may not last much longer...

I am 99% certain the Presence of Christ does not exist in the Vatican... "You will know them by their fruits," Jesus said. God's presence was tangibly present in the temples of the Jewish people (see Old Testament / Ark of the Covenant..)... until God got tired of their sinfulness and departed therefrom. He can and does do that.

As to other Catholic Church buildings... I cannot visit them all, but the Presence has been there in some of the ones I have visited. Again, God only knows if that is going to be the case much longer.
 
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Jesus isnt in the bible. The serpent is an animal from Hebrew folklore. According to the Rabbinic Legend it had the power of speech, smarter than all animals and had envy for man and plotted his downfall. Its a metaphor snakes cant speak

Jesus is in the Bible. As I have told you. (Matt. Mark Luke John Revelation)

Rabbinic legend? Folklore. What is that? Another word for your lies.

Who says it is a metaphor? You? Show me who and where they said that.

Your lies multiply.

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Jesus is in the Bible. As I have told you. (Matt. Mark Luke John Revelation)

Rabbinic legend? Folklore. What is that? Another word for your lies.

Who says it is a metaphor? You? Show me who and where they said that.

Your lies multiply.

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The New Testament isnt the Bible
 
and for those in salem

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christian accusations ... their motivation and phony beliefs.

the crucifiers are yet brought to justice, their initial crime their christian bible and throughout history repeating themselves without a scintilla of remorse ... q-trill.

Again, what does that have to do with 'belief being an excuse'.

Well, if they followed the Bible, what was their crime?

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