Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[hobelim]

Today, He dwells among is in the Real Presence in Catholic Churches

Sure. The Jewish messiah came to save the world by hiding out in wine and crackers for believers to eat.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Sure. The Jewish messiah came to save the world by hiding out in wine and crackers for believers to eat.

I'm sorry to see you prefer "eternal punishment" (Mt 25:31-46)

to being in Christ... very sad

 

[hobelim]

I'm sorry to see you prefer "eternal punishment" (Mt 25:31-46)

to being in Christ... very sad

I'm sure you are sorry since your belief is I will suffer eternal punishment for rejecting lies. lol. I am touched.


I will tell you something. Try to hear.

in the very same day that you first set aside the Law of my God to worship the Antichrist, an imaginary trinity that diddled a virgin to become a sacrificial mangod who was crucified to pay the penalty for YOUR SINS, YOU DIED and descended into hell, the realm of the dead, where you have been lurking for decades under a strange bizarre delusion that by doing so, defying the Law, you will receive eternal life, the exact opposite of what the Bible that you claim to have read and believe says results in death, a curse so powerful that you are OBLIVIOUS to how reprehensible that belief is, no clue that your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.

Now thats sad.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually, I haven't the faintest clue of what you are talking about.

Well, reading the conversation would help.

I was trying to help a theist understand why an atheist would have a hard time believing in God.

I.E., the thread topic.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Anathema thinks that no good Christian gets ticked off at God. Well, I have many times.

I sometimes... seriously... believe God wants us to be angry with Him... (at times) After all, doesn't that anger signify that we believe HE has control or could have control over ALL that we pray for?

When we are angry with God, we yell at Him... that means... We are being honest w/ Him... He knows when we are stuffing our feelings and I don't think He approves of that

The thing is, you can't stay angry with Him because He has his reasons for all that He allows in your life. And He knows what all He can do to help you, whereas you do not...

And many prayers are answered (as prayed) only in Heaven...

 

[hobelim]

God wants us to be angry with Him... (at times) After all, doesn't that anger signify that we believe HE has control or could have control over ALL that we pray for?

How many of you are there?

 

[ding]

Sure,

but first I'm going to fly up to hebbin for a sabbatical. I will return to answer your questions soon. All things being relative you might not live long enough to see that day but, oh well. You had your chance to rise from the dead.

I will be coming in the clouds with great power and glory. So pull up a lawn chair, sit, and look up every now and then when you wipe the sweat from your brow and then just keep digging your grave for the next thousand years.

Now that you got that of of your chest... feel free to share your ridiculous interpretations of John 5:17-23, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 8:58, Mark 2:5-12 and Matthew 14:33.

 

[Paleman]

Is it because:

• Lack of belief we are lovable
• Lack of belief we are cared for
• Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
• Lack of belief we have a reason for being

What blocks people from believing in God? Why is it so hard to believe?

I am the second coming of a doubting Thomas who has not been allowed to examine the wound. Your god did not create me with the power of believing without seeing. How many of you automatic believers would buy a house, car, or marry a woman you have never seen? Well, me neither!

 

[Hafar1014]

I am the second coming of a doubting Thomas who has not been allowed to examine the wound. Your god did not create me with the power of believing without seeing. How many of you automatic believers would buy a house, car, or marry a woman you have never seen? Well, me neither!

Do you believe anything you cant see. If you go blind then you believe in nothing.

 

[ding]

I am the second coming of a doubting Thomas who has not been allowed to examine the wound. Your god did not create me with the power of believing without seeing. How many of you automatic believers would buy a house, car, or marry a woman you have never seen? Well, me neither!

Ok, then why do you suppose the first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God which is an historical fact recorded by non-Christian historians?

 

[BreezeWood]

And, belief is not an excuse.

what then was the christian guide -

when worshiping nazi germany.

 

[Meriweather]

I am the second coming of a doubting Thomas who has not been allowed to examine the wound. Your god did not create me with the power of believing without seeing. How many of you automatic believers would buy a house, car, or marry a woman you have never seen? Well, me neither!

Those who refuse to even see a house, a woman, or a car (or even learn about them) certainly would miss out, would they not?

 

[Quantrill]

what then was the christian guide -when worshiping nazi germany.

What does this have to do with 'belief' being an excuse. You just ignored post #(1282).

Quantrill

 

[hobelim]

I am the second coming of a doubting Thomas who has not been allowed to examine the wound. Your god did not create me with the power of believing without seeing. How many of you automatic believers would buy a house, car, or marry a woman you have never seen? Well, me neither!

FYI, every single eyewitness account of Jesus being seen after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in dreams, the only place where the reported things could have happened and be true.

That being said, every single story that contradicts what is well known to be the truth about reality is like a big red X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was deliberately buried and hidden.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't look and look and keep on looking you never will. Now you know how and where to look for something real to examine. Don't try to poke a hole in it. Just do it.



"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again..."

 

[hobelim]

Ok, then why do you suppose the first Christians began worshiping Jesus as God which is an historical fact recorded by non-Christian historians?

Because they were superstitious pagans? They were never taught to think critically? They were completely ignorant of the figurative language used by the Jewish authors of the Bible from the very first to the last page.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations"."

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."






Billions of fetid corpses piled high all around the world being devoured by vultures daily litter the landscape.

So let me think,,,, Hmmmmm. "The nations" were cursed by Jesus?

Apparently since you love munching on the flesh of God like a deranged zombie it still works like a charm.

 

[Hafar1014]

No, the Jesus I worship is the Jesus of the Bible. The Bible presents the True God and Christ. Which is why you are opposed to it, though you use it when you think you can get away with it. The Bible is not the Mystery Religion of Mithra. And what I give you is the Bible.

No, that is a lie. Jesus didn't relate Himself to the 'bronze serpent' that became idolatry. Jesus related Himself to the 'bronze serpent on the pole' that God commanded Moses to make in order to save them from the poisonous snake bites. No wonder you didn't give the Scripture for it, as you once again pervert the Scriptures. (Num. 21:5-9)

(Num. 21:8-9) "And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."

To this Jesus said: (John 3:14) "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:"

A beautiful picture of the Sacrifice and the Faith that will heal. Christ will be on the pole in Sacrifice. And any who look to Him will be saved. It is a perfect definition of the faith that saves. A look. That was all that was required. For to look, was to obey God's command, (Num. 21:8)

So, as usual you don't know what you're talking about. Keep applying that 'preparation H' to that lying ass you're talking out of.

In (2 Kings 18:4) Hezekiah did destroy the bronze serpent as it became a point of worship, an idol. But that doesn't remove its original purpose which was to save, and it pointed to Jesus Christ Who will save by faith. Which is what it did/does do.

Again you pervert the Scriptures. More lip balm for you.

Quantrill

Jesus isnt in the bible. The serpent is an animal from Hebrew folklore. According to the Rabbinic Legend it had the power of speech, smarter than all animals and had envy for man and plotted his downfall. Its a metaphor snakes cant speak

 

[hobelim]

Its a metaphor snakes cant speak

Yes, it is a metaphor for a specific human archetype like trump, the epitome of the talking serpent. Right now there is a plague of talking serpents running amok worldwide desperately trying to pull the wool over everyone eyes and many die when bitten and then become soulless golems that perpetuate MAGA style madness.

If you don't believe me try to have a rational conversation with a 'supporter' who doesn't realize that trump has always been a brazen self centered money grubbing power hungry lowlife con artist who only loves and practices deceit with a long history of self adulation greed corruption perversions and ruthlessly ripping people off for cash.

Now he is ripping off the entire country, his oblivious supporters included, with absolutely no shade on his shit.

It is also a metaphor for anyone who "beguiles" the faithless into defying the Law of God by turning to a trinity , a mangod, a child rapist, or a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands to worship and eat for spiritual life which is a sin under penalty of death, a curse that believers so perfectly display with their obstinate stupidity.

Try to understand that this REALITY is not Hebrew folklore, a warning about an imaginary creature, or a fairy tale.

This is actually happening right under your nose.

 

[ding]

Because they were superstitious pagans? They were never taught to think critically? They were completely ignorant of the figurative language used by the Jewish authors of the Bible from the very first to the last page.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations"."

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."






Billions of fetid corpses piled high all around the world being devoured by vultures daily litter the landscape.

So let me think,,,, Hmmmmm. "The nations" were cursed by Jesus?

Apparently since you love munching on the flesh of God like a deranged zombie it still works like a charm.

So what was it that made them worship Jesus as God?

 

[hobelim]

So what was it that made them worship Jesus as God?

Yua siim tu bi hevong e mintel mealfanctoun.

 

[ding]

Yua siim tu bi hevong e mintel mealfanctoun.

Exactly. The only good reason for the first Christians to risk persecution, imprisonment and death by believing worshiping Jesus is God is because they saw Jesus do things that only God can.