Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

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Lot of functional advantages

Then it shouldn't be hard to name one, right?

Don’t waste your time and money on a fantasy religion

The benefit of faith in God far exceeds that of atheism which has none.

 

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Meaning they don't actually exist.

Like, the many God characters.

Why do you believe the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God?

 

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How silly of you. What makes you think you have to be religious to be happy?

I didn't say you did. The trick is finding happiness when times are tough. That's where belief in God helps one to find meaning from life's challenges and struggles. You don't believe that you are being pruned by God, so you can't find meaning in your struggles. To you, that's just life sucking for no good reason. To me, it's God giving me the opportunity to progress and grow.

It's because you have no reasonable perception of God that you can't see how God works in your life.

 

[rightwinger]

Then it shouldn't hard to name one, right?


The benefit of faith in God far exceeds that of atheism which has none.

Of course you must claim that

You must justify to yourself and others the time and money you waste on your religion

 

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Of course you must claim that

You must justify to yourself and others the time and money you waste on your religion

No. It's reality. Name a functional advantage of atheism.

 

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You must justify to yourself and others the time and money you waste on your religion

God isn't religion. Seeking and communing with God will never be a waste of time. In fact, it's quite the opposite. There is nothing you can do that is more powerful than having a relationship with God. It will turn on all the learning centers of the mind and allow you to see reality.

 

[hobelim]

Its an allegory and quite advanced considering the time it was written.

I agree!

There is no devil original sin or fall of man. They invented that to create a reason for Jesus to exist and use threats and fear to compel obedience. Dont accept Jesus then youll burn in hell. Great concept right.

Sure. The Churches use threats of real and imaginary punishment to "beguile" people into submission according to their false sugar coated ascetic pusillanimous Jesus that never existed, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the secret Babylonian mystery religion of the Roman government and military. The so called fall of man is an example of Gentile failure to understand a simple lesson for Hebrew children in the story. You probably already know this but the Hebrew word for serpent, nachash, is both a noun and an adjective meaning snake, brazen, shiny one, and/or someone who practices the magical arts, divination, sorcery, what is now well known as brainwashing, hypnotism, or mind control, the feared and revered stars of the ancient world.

So there really is a devil, its just not an invisible disembodied entity that tries to tempt the 'faithful" into rejecting the maudlin bullshit story about a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man. Satan is just a metaphor for a very real human archetype running amok worldwide like a plague of biblical proportions and whoever is bitten dies, the death, a curse evident in many "believers' in the obstinate stupidity they have confused with faith.

Genesis describes evolution

No.

Genesis is an allegorical account of the Law being given as a light to the nations in a world that had been without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years. Light, the law, was spoken into existence and teaches to differentiate between light and darkness, clean and unclean, right and wrong, good and evil, sanity and insanity, life and death.

The serpent is not the devil. Its the metaphor for guile. Considering how old this is its very accurate in describing the human condition

The devil is just another word for a talking serpent. Its the same exact despicable human archetype in the world, condemned by God as the lowest of all human life forms in the fairy tale, "Lower than cattle and all the wild beasts of the field.", which are also human archetypes like swine that do not ruminate, teeming vermin who go down on all fours, dogs, wolves, bottom feeders, etc., which are universal metaphors in every language. It is not a metaphor for guile, its a metaphor for a despicable human being, guile is just one of its defining attributes.

You must include in your speculations that Moses disputed with a talking serpent, the pharaoh who wore a serpent on his head and was an expert in the magical arts, sorcery, what is now well known as mind control. God breathed "the breath of life" (the ankh) into Adams nostrils creating a "living being" who fucked up a good thing.

Life.

 

[Hafar1014]

I agree!


Sure. The Churches use threats of real and imaginary punishment to "beguile" people into submission according to their false sugar coated ascetic pusillanimous Jesus that never existed, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the secret Babylonian mystery religion of the Roman government and military. The so called fall of man is an example of Gentile failure to understand a simple lesson for Hebrew children in the story. You probably already know this but the Hebrew word for serpent, nachash, is both a noun and an adjective meaning snake, brazen, shiny one, and/or someone who practices the magical arts, divination, sorcery, what is now well known as brainwashing, hypnotism, or mind control, the feared and revered stars of the ancient world.

So there really is a devil, its just not an invisible disembodied entity that tries to tempt the 'faithful" into rejecting the maudlin bullshit story about a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man. Satan is just a metaphor for a very real human archetype running amok worldwide like a plague of biblical proportions and whoever is bitten dies, the death, a curse evident in many "believers' in the obstinate stupidity they have confused with faith.



No. Genesis is an allegorical account of the Law being given as a light to the nations in a world that had been without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years. Light, the law, was spoken into existence and teaches to differentiate between light and darkness, clean and unclean, right and wrong, good and evil, sanity and insanity, life and death.



The devil is just another word for a talking serpent. Its the same exact despicable human archetype in the world, condemned by God as the lowest of all human life forms in the fairy tale, "Lower than cattle and all the wild beasts of the field.", which are also human archetypes like swine that do not ruminate, teeming vermin who go down on all fours, dogs, wolves, bottom feeders, etc., which are universal metaphors in every language. It is not a metaphor for guile, its a metaphor for a human being, guile is just one of its defining attributes.

Leviticus is civil law not Genesis. There is no devil in Judaism. The serpent is a metaphor from Hebrew folklore.
Light means enlightenment not sunlight. The bearer of light is Lucifer

 

[hobelim]

Leviticus is civil law not Genesis. There is no devil in Judaism. The serpent is a metaphor from Hebrew folklore.
Light means enlightenment not sunlight. The bearer of light is Lucifer

There is no devil in Judaism?

Even though Jewish people have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and slaughtered by devils from the beginning?

Not too swift.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is no devil in Judaism?

Even though Jewish people have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and slaughtered by devils from the beginning?

Not too swift.

Jews are absolute monotheists. There is no devil and no hell. Human cruelty is not the devil. Jews are the most successful culture in human history

 

[hobelim]

There is no devil and no hell.

The long list of maledictions that Moses said would befall the people if they failed to comply with the Law sure sounds like hell to me. People like Hitler are the epitome of a devil that you do not believe is real. Astonishing!

Smarten up.

Human cruelty is not the devil.

Cruelty is an attribute of the devil who would be diagnosed today as a malignant narcissist or megalomaniac.

Jews are the most successful culture in human history

Maybe so.

But now that the hidden wisdom and purpose of God in giving the law as "a light to the nations", (meaning everyone) has been revealed, everyone, people of all religions including those damn Christians, can do better.

 

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The long list of maledictions that Moses said would befall the people if they failed to comply with the Law sure sounds like hell to me. People like Hitler are the epitome of a devil that you do not believe is real. Astonishing!

Smarten up.



Cruelty is an attribute of the devil who would be diagnosed today as a malignant narcissist or megalomaniac.



Maybe so.

But now that the hidden wisdom and purpose of God in giving the law as "a light to the nations", (meaning everyone) has been revealed, everyone, people of all religions including those damn Christians, can do better.

You really should worry about yourself and not others.

 

[Hafar1014]

The long list of maledictions that Moses said would befall the people if they failed to comply with the Law sure sounds like hell to me. People like Hitler are the epitome of a devil that you do not believe is real. Astonishing!

Smarten up.



Cruelty is an attribute of the devil who would be diagnosed today as a malignant narcissist or megalomaniac.



Maybe so.

But now that the hidden wisdom and purpose of God in giving the law as "a light to the nations", (meaning everyone) has been revealed, everyone, people of all religions including those damn Christians, can do better.

Your ideas are quite primitive.

 

[BreezeWood]

In any case what does SC have to do with the belief in God? Nothing

they are the same, particularly the desert religions having only their beliefs without proof for any deity.

sc's non existence is not dependent on the reason for their notoriety any differently than those prophets known for their unsubstantiated, claimed engagements w/ the heavens.

 

[hobelim]

You really should worry about yourself and not others.

What? Me worry? Don't be silly. I am not worried about others.

The way to eternal life is now clear. What happens to others is all on them, whether for good or evil, so I have nothing to worry about. I have done my duty for myself and my neighbors. My hands have been washed clean.

 

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What? Me worry? Don't be silly. I am not worried about others.

The way to eternal life is now clear. What happens to others is all on them, whether for good or evil, so I have nothing to worry about. I have done my duty for myself and my neighbors. My hands have been washed clean.

You should be worried about yourself. You have no life in you now.

 

[hobelim]

You should be worried about yourself. You have no life in you now.

Sure.

I rejected and renounced the delusion that you in your unrestrained imagination think is life in the second grade.

You eat a lifeless matzo for spiritual life so you died in the very day that you blubbered to a trinity. What a rube!

I have remained faithful and true, alive in the sanctuary of my God, and so I will never know what it is to die.

 

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Sure.

I rejected and renounced the delusion that you in your unrestrained imagination think is life in the second grade.

I have remained faithful and true, alive in the sanctuary of my God, and so I will never know what it is to die.

I doubt you have ever been alive.

 

[hobelim]

I doubt you have ever been alive.

Oh no! Woe is me!

Somehow I will try to live with that, being doubted by a fool who seeks spiritual life from a lifeless matzo.

 

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Woe is me!

Somehow I will try to live with that, being doubted by a fool..

Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.