Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

How many people believe in your god now?
The more you reveal the addled contents of your defiled and contaminated mind clinging to religious flotsam in the middle of a raging sea the more many will come to believe in my God, giving thanks and praise to my God that they were spared your terrible fate WATCHING in horror as you slowly disintegrate into pure nothingness.

I can't say that I get any pleasure from your destruction but I can say it couldn't be happening to a nicer person.
 
My short and immediate answer is pride. Secular humanism is a very powerful force that appeals to ego.

really ....

Secular humanism is a nonreligious life philosophy that emphasizes reason, logic, and science to guide morality and decision-making, rejecting supernaturalism and religious dogma.

and the desert bibles, false commandments, hereditary idolatresses, heavenly personifications that never happened et al used to persecute and victimize the innocent escape the trappings of collective embellishments.
 
The more you reveal the addled contents of your defiled and contaminated mind clinging to religious flotsam in the middle of a raging sea the more many will come to believe in my God, giving thanks and praise to my God that they were spared your terrible fate WATCHING in horror as you slowly disintegrate into pure nothingness.

I can't say that I get any pleasure from your destruction but I can say it couldn't be happening to a nicer person.

My faith is in Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible. Which I am not afraid to declare and to show and prove in the Bible.

I show your perversion of the Scriptures, which you don't believe anyway. I ask for you to show the Scriptures which claim support your perverted belief. You refuse because I have showed you don't know what you're talking about. You're a phony.

You make 'claims' for your so called 'god'. Who is no god. You're ashamed to give his name. You're ashamed that he can't write as he has no writings. I don't blame you, I would be ashamed also of a god that couldn't write. And then I would be ashamed to be worshipping a god I was ashamed of, as you are. You and your god are both phonies.

Give me the Scripture where you say one is taken and one is left behind. That way we can prove again you are full of shit. You said it, but you can't back it up. As usual.

You say in horror others watch 'my terrible fate' at the hands of your god. I piss on your god. I shit on your god. he is no god. Does it sound like I am scared of your phony god? Your god is you. And you are full of shit.

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You seem to have left out the majority of people.

"independent party" will take "republican party" place. Equable voting battle between democrats and independent. Do Americans prefer Independent over Republicans? Eternal replacement of the old party with the new party, the so-called independent.
 
Methodology can be addressed without "you". If one cannot grasp/understand the methodology used, perhaps ask for an explanation rather make an accusation that methodology is flawed?
Ok I'll ask for an explanation since you somehow believe that I can somehow detach what you write from you as a person. Why is it that when I ask you a question that you quote one sentence of that question and leave AAAAAAAAAAAAL this out? How am I to not take that as you simply being evasive?
Or motivated thinking? How do you get to god. Because I promise you people who have had similar experiences exists that worship other God's than you.
So now to your answer to the one thing you replied to. It's actually 3 different arguments. And the third one tries to sneak in an assumption.
I am not a psychologist. I do not know any delusional people. Therefore I am not even qualified to address that question.
This argument is focused on the idea that you need to be a psychologist to be able to answer the question as to how a person distinguishes reality from delusion. Something that simply isn't true. Being able to recognize delusion within oneself reliably is notoriously difficult because it involves a person to have enough meta-awareness to police their own thoughts in real-time. That doesn't require a psychologist but a discipline of mind that no person can ever be truly certain of.
I can distinguish reality from dreams, from imagination, from stray thoughts, wishful thinking, etc.
This argument rest on the "I just can" argument. It has no explanatory values whatsoever. It's simply an assertion.
Ask yourself how you can.
This argument I like the best. It sneaks in the assumption that recognizing delusion, stray thoughts and wishful thinking is not just easy, but that you and me essentially decide that in the same way. Something that's highly doubtful.

I'm actually very glad you posed that question, because it's illustrative of the entire issue.

How I distinguish truth from delusions or wishful thinking is by first recognizing that as a human I'm prone to imagine things that are not based on reality if stuff like ego or identity are concerned. Everybody has biases. So the next step is to distinguish the things I know from the things I believe. For that I use the Socratic method. And I use that method for everything. It means I've tried to train my mind to avoid fallacies. The step after that is to remain skeptical. The closer what I believe matches reality the more skeptical I get. So, I try ways to falsify what I believe. Like for instance talking on a forum and see if someone has an argument that withstands scrutiny. And finally, I try to keep it in my mind that despite all these steps it's folly to believe what I conclude is definitionally right.

So next question. Does how I separate truth from fiction come close to how you do?

I was enjoying the discussion between us until the discussion of that changed to a discussion of the made-up Meriweather
I see you have no problem talking about the poster as long as you aren't the poster who's being talked about. Not that I mind. But here's the thing. You laid that accusation at my feet before. After which I directly quoted your words to support my assumptions.

You're happy to try again and explain what about you I "imagined", just beware that the only thing that will happen is that I will simply use your own words to support what I said.
 
You mean YOU don't understand how the complexity of living creatures could come from natural forces alone.
Has the creation of life from absolutely nothing to something ever been duplicated?
 
Have we ever made a star or a volcano, in a lab?

No?

So? We still understand how they form and how they work.
Exactly! The creation of such things is supernatural and beyond mankind's capability. None of it is by accident.
 
Has the creation of life from absolutely nothing to something ever been duplicated?
You mean by man or elsewhere in the universe? Your "God of the gaps" argument is weak at best since there may come a time we find that life is commonplace in the universe. Even if we never do, there is no real connection between a possible creator of life and the God of the Bible.
 
You mean by man or elsewhere in the universe? Your "God of the gaps" argument is weak at best since there may come a time we find that life is commonplace in the universe. Even if we never do, there is no real connection between a possible creator of life and the God of the Bible.
There can only be one "first cause." The first cause could not have been caused or it would not have been the first cause. Therefore, the first cause is infinite and uncaused.

The universe, the earth, the human cell, the eyeball, etc. all reflect design. Design is the product of intelligence. All designs were caused by the First Cause. Therefore the First Cause was (and is) intelligent and a Designer.

Offer a better hypothesis.
 
There can only be one "first cause."
Ah yes, the intellectual fraud of the rigged game.

Nothing can come from nothing, except my favorite god character.

Nothing is forever, except my favorite god character.

Heads i win, tails you lose.
 
Why is it that when I ask you a question that you quote one sentence of that question
I quote the part I am addressing. The rest requires a different discussion, and like most here, time becomes an issue. Feel free to pinpoint (in another post) the core of the other part may you wish to pursue.
Being able to recognize delusion within oneself reliably is notoriously difficult because it involves a person to have enough meta-awareness to police their own thoughts in real-time.
Then perhaps give examples where you have deluded (meaning deceived) yourself. As for me: I teach. I sometimes have a premise, theory, supposition that a lesson plan will not only be successful, but highly successful--and it turns out it did not bring the results I was seeking. I don't see this as my having deceived myself, but as a reason to return to the drawing board to tweak the lesson to bring about the results needed. When a lesson fails, I do not delude myself into thinking it was a success--or even that it was the students' fault it failed.
 
Has the creation of life from absolutely nothing to something ever been duplicated?

from the elements of the periodic table and the metaphysical forces, yes ... the physiology -

why it's not duplicated is the lack of knowledge to produce the spiritual content that is physiology's guidance and motivation.
 
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How I distinguish truth from delusions or wishful thinking is by first recognizing that as a human I'm prone to imagine things that are not based on reality if stuff like ego or identity are concerned. Everybody has biases. So the next step is to distinguish the things I know from the things I believe. For that I use the Socratic method. And I use that method for everything. It means I've tried to train my mind to avoid fallacies. The step after that is to remain skeptical. The closer what I believe matches reality the more skeptical I get. So, I try ways to falsify what I believe. Like for instance talking on a forum and see if someone has an argument that withstands scrutiny. And finally, I try to keep it in my mind that despite all these steps it's folly to believe what I conclude is definitionally right.

So next question. Does how I separate truth from fiction come close to how you do?
I may be using a more hands on approach than you? For example, when it came to the question of God, I wasn't satisfied with books, church, and what others taught/said. My goal was to seek and find God myself. I don't train my mind to be skeptical but have trained it to actively seek truth by hands on doing and exploring. "Reality" (from my perception) is ever changing; thus, I prefer truth.
 
You're happy to try again and explain what about you I "imagined", just beware that the only thing that will happen is that I will simply use your own words to support what I said.
I am not interested in discussing me. I've already said what needs to be said: A wrong premise about someone results in a wrong conclusion. That's the word to the wise. On your own feel free to go back and identify the premises/conclusions you have formed about me and understand that they are not the reality. I'm not wasting my time on it.
 
from the elements of the periodic table and the metaphysical forces, yes ... the physiology -

why it's not duplicated is the lack of knowledge to produce the spiritual content that is physiology's guidance and motivation.
Where did the elements come from?
 
There can only be one "first cause." The first cause could not have been caused or it would not have been the first cause. Therefore, the first cause is infinite and uncaused.
You can't define things into existence. How do you know there can only be one "first cause"? Particles pop into existence all the time. Maybe the universe is eternal and had no beginning?

The universe, the earth, the human cell, the eyeball, etc. all reflect design. Design is the product of intelligence. All designs were caused by the First Cause. Therefore the First Cause was (and is) intelligent and a Designer.

Offer a better hypothesis.
I don't know how the universe came to be as it is but the rest are all explainable by purely natural forces.
 
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