Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[DukeU]

Easily #2. I'm a grown man, not a child who has to invent magical stories to feel like I have the answers.

If you were such a grown man and confident in your beliefs, you wouldn't have to attack someone with personal insults because of theirs.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I thought it was the wiring in our brain using belief as a survival mechanism.

We live in a world that gives us nothing. It's survival of the fittest. And if it's all about survival, which it is, how can one really believe in sin?

 

[forkup]

I am not interested in discussing me. I've already said what needs to be said: A wrong premise about someone results in a wrong conclusion. That's the word to the wise. On your own feel free to go back and identify the premises/conclusions you have formed about me and understand that they are not the reality. I'm not wasting my time on it.

Actually, you have. Since you claimed I have a wrong version of you that I'm debating. And you tried one of those times to address what you considered was a wrong assumption. Only to have your own words thrown back at you.

So, I'll make an assumption based on the experience I have based on your past behavior (that I will point out if you want), and my experience on this board with the many, many, many people who I've encountered who all of a sudden weren't interested in proving me wrong ones I made it clear to them that this board has a quote function and I'm both capable and not afraid to use. That it's not you not wanting to prove me wrong but that you can't.

 

[forkup]

I may be using a more hands on approach than you? For example, when it came to the question of God, I wasn't satisfied with books, church, and what others taught/said. My goal was to seek and find God myself. I don't train my mind to be skeptical but have trained it to actively seek truth by hands on doing and exploring. "Reality" (from my perception) is ever changing; thus, I prefer truth.

Reality doesn't change. That's why it's reality. And you can't determine what truth is if reality changes.

It's a redefining of the word reality so you can hold on to your opinion and call it truth.

In fact, in your model how do you distinguish between the 2 I want to know?

As for hands on. I quite literally described an entire system designed to identify where my opinion ends and truth starts.

Your method excludes skepticism and begins with a goal (“seeking God”), it structurally produces confirmation rather than evaluation. That doesn’t mean you’re doing it intentionally, but it does mean the method cannot reliably distinguish truth from belief.

So, your method isn't more hands on at all. It just has a much lower chance of working.

 

[forkup]

I quote the part I am addressing. The rest requires a different discussion, and like most here, time becomes an issue. Feel free to pinpoint (in another post) the core of the other part may you wish to pursue.

Then perhaps give examples where you have deluded (meaning deceived) yourself. As for me: I teach. I sometimes have a premise, theory, supposition that a lesson plan will not only be successful, but highly successful--and it turns out it did not bring the results I was seeking. I don't see this as my having deceived myself, but as a reason to return to the drawing board to tweak the lesson to bring about the results needed. When a lesson fails, I do not delude myself into thinking it was a success--or even that it was the students' fault it failed.

Then perhaps give examples where you have deluded (meaning deceived) yourself.

Here. You will have to go to it since it's an old thread.

Are you now?

See if you can match this resume. See if you can show me an example where you don't just admit you are wrong but admit to it unprompted. Or any time where you changed your position and did so publicly.

In fact, you will routinely find me admitting error publicly. My ego is attached to my ability to be truthful not identity protection. I take great pride in not being too prideful to admit error.

And no in your case it's not a different discussion at all, since you already admitted that your way to truth is simply to reevaluate "reality" until it matches what you think is the "truth", also known as opinion.

 

[Meriweather]

that you can't.

Wrong premise, wrong conclusion. Not interested.

 

[Meriweather]

Your method excludes skepticism and begins with a goal

Wrong premise, wrong conclusion

 

[forkup]

Wrong premise, wrong conclusion. Not interested.

Assertion, not rebuttal. Likely incapable of doing so.

 

[forkup]

Wrong premise, wrong conclusion

Assertion, not rebuttal. Likely incapable of doing so.

I like these kinds of post. Much easier to simply assert stuff.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Is it because:

• Lack of belief we are lovable
• Lack of belief we are cared for
• Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
• Lack of belief we have a reason for being

What blocks people from believing in God? Why is it so hard to believe?

I haven't disbelieved in God in years and I cannot recall why I had that brief period when young when I didn't believe in Him, but it didn't last long. I had a pretty happy childhood for the most part, so maybe I didn't feel the need for God or something. However, it was not long before things became very unhappy...

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him, someone once said. Indeed. Once you find out how insufficient the "love" of humans is... you NEED God, who doesn't assess you or judge you the way humans do.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Where did the elements come from?

The decoupling event allowed particles to roam free and create atoms.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If you were such a grown man and confident in your beliefs, you wouldn't have to attack someone with personal insults because of theirs.

Still going. Yawn.

Lie again and say peole believe life came from a rock.

It keeps you busy, so the adults can talk. Good boy.

 

[BreezeWood]

Where did the elements come from?

condensed energy - the metaphysical forces of the universe ... the cyclical event, energy <-> matter.

 

[BreezeWood]

We live in a world that gives us nothing. It's survival of the fittest. And if it's all about survival, which it is, how can one really believe in sin?

just read a desert bible ... sin is evil not fitness.

 

[DukeU]

Still going. Yawn.

Lie again and say peole believe life came from a rock.

It keeps you busy, so the adults can talk. Good boy.

You forgot billions of years, but yea.....own it.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The decoupling event allowed particles to roam free and create atoms.

For there to have been a "decoupling" then there must have been a coupling event. When did that occur? And where did the atoms come from?

 

[SaxonJackson]

condensed energy - the metaphysical forces of the universe ... the cyclical event, energy <-> matter.

What was going on before that?

 

[BreezeWood]

What was going on before that?

you answered your own question ...

try and find a different dark ally to run down there are plenty others not so warren down as that one by the desert dwellers. is it just a guess you are a christian ...

 

[SaxonJackson]

you answered your own question ...

try and find a different dark ally to run down there are plenty others not so warren down as that one by the desert dwellers. is it just a guess you are a christian ...

"... was going on" was the correct answer? Yippee. I get a gold star. I want a certified, peer review of my new discovery. I'll write a paper called "Was Going On." It'll be the new rave. Thanks BreezeWood for a highly enlightening conversation. I'm grateful for you in-depth, one-line answers.

 

[Quantrill]

Yes he is. Lies make Baby Jesus cry. Everyone knows this.

That's not true. How do you know?

Baby Jesus doesn't exist any more. The God/Man Jesus Christ does. I know because the Bible says so.

Quantrill