Why is abortion the way of the world?

[Cecilie1200]

Does being Implanted or not implanted affect or change what the zygote IS?

It is the first step necessary to become a human being. That is it will never become a human being with out attaching to the womb.

That is, if you're ignorant like Boo and think "human being" is defined as "fully grown adult".

If you're intelligent, then implantation is merely a necessary step in the continued survival of an ALREADY EXISTING HUMAN BEING.

Who grieves for those lost human beings who couldn't attach to a womb?

Why is that relevant?

 

[Chuz Life]

A fetus is not a child. An embryo is not a child. A zygote is not a child. A viable fetus could very well become a human being but until it has a successful birth, it is not a human being. Human? Yes of course.

Are the dictionaries and other medical references which say otherwise, wrong?

Prove it.

 

[BlindBoo]

Is a fertilized chicken egg a chicken?

Are humans birds? No? Are they even remotely related to birds? No? Then what the hell does bird reproduction have to do with anything?

Although I guess we should be grateful you got closer this time than with your last analogy involving PLANTS. At least this time you were in the right kingdom and phylum. Maybe eventually you'll work your way up to an argument that involves another mammal.

Dodger fan?

No, humans are not birds. Yes, we share about 60 % of DNA with Chickens. There are two types of reproduction......

Yes, we have certain similar DNA. No, that is not in any way even remotely relevant to the fact that we're different species, different genera, different all the way up to phylum level. In other words, only an ignorant ass clown thinks "Well, chicken eggs . . ." has anything to say about human reproduction. And trying to pretend that citing DNA similarities somehow makes your argument LESS of a joke actually makes you sound even more ridiculous.

Seriously, stop. Go back to "Abortion is good because I hate religion!" It was stupid, but at least it was a type of stupid you were familiar with.

That's too funny.

Who said abortion is good?

Because I find belief in the supernatural absurd, doesn't mean I hate religion. But I suppose any insult works if that's what your into. (Opsie did i forgat a contraction......).

"Just because I attack and denigrate religion every chance I get doesn't mean I hate it. It just means the only way I can pretend I'm not a loser is if I pretend that I'm better than someone - anyone! - else."

Who's pretending. I'm a loser. I lost my High School sweetheart, and I've been suffering ever since.

Now who said abortion was good?

 

[Cecilie1200]

But then what? How will you stop it?

Name any one crime against humanity that has been completely "stopped."

Why are you demanding more when comes to stopping abortions than you are for any other form of child molestation?

Because it's something Taz wants to do. If he/she wanted to beat children, he/she would be insisting that the fact that the laws don't completely stop such behavior, there shouldn't be any laws at all.

That really is not the crux of that statement and there really is a problem there. Something that the pro-life position must address (and does in a few ways).

If abortion becomes illegal do you prosecute women that have an abortion? If you do, then how do you do so or even know that it was an abortion and not a miscarriage? If not, then why make it illegal in the first place?

Those are, IMHO, real questions that the pro-life position has to struggle with as there is not a good answer to them both even if there is a best answer.

That really IS the crux of the discussion I was in, but thank you so much for inserting yourself and telling me how I "have to" be having a completely different discussion.

In MY never-humble opinion, you need to ASK me if I would like to discuss what the laws should be in the event of an abortion ban, not TELL me that I HAVE to discuss it.

No, I really don't have to ask you anything. That is the beauty of freedom - I can demand that answer from you and you can continue to not give it

But in the end, 'you' was less specific and more generalized to anyone holding a pro life position. The lot of you can ignore those questions to your hearts content but that is not how you change minds and policy will not move without changing minds.

Yes, well, I did make the silly assumption that you would actually want an answer, rather than simply wanting to issue useless demands and be told to piss off. I do beg your pardon for assuming sensibility where it was not.

It isn't that we "ignore" your questions. It's that we recognize that A) they aren't anywhere close to being issues needing resolution, since abortion is nowhere close to being universally banned, B) that the people who ask those questions are NOT doing so because getting the answers will change anything, but are merely doing so as a deflection, and C) that even if we consented to discuss those issues, the people asking wouldn't be listening to the answers seriously, anyway.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Not really needed though. Inside that fertilized chicken egg there is, indeed, a chicken in its earliest stages of growth.

So yes, that is a chicken.

I disagree. It's not even a chick yet.

Again, your disagreement is irrelevant and only supported by what you WANT to be true rather than what actually is.

I don't think so. See a chicken is something you can deep fry but an egg you scramble. I guess you can deep fry an egg but how would you eat the drumsticks?

You want to call a zygote a human being and I don't. I'm sure you have your reasons.......

You dont think so as you keep stating. And you continue to refuse to define anytihng at all because you want to cling to the indefensible.

I did not say that I thought it was a chicken. The FACT is it is a chicken. That is not disputable. It has its own DNA. It has its own DEFINED boundaries. It consumes and uses that consumption to grow and develop. The HARD SCIENTIFIC FACT is that it is a chicken in a specific developmental stage.

You have not disputed anything at all. The only thing you have done is stamp your foot and demand that reality is not so. These things are clearly defined.

Same with the zygote. Still a human as a fetus is a human. A child is a human. A toddler is a human. A teenager is a human. All names for different stages of development.

A fetus is not a child. An embryo is not a child. A zygote is not a child. A viable fetus could very well become a human being but until it has a successful birth, it is not a human being. Human? Yes of course.

"This is fact . . . because I said so. I have stated it as fact many times, so it is!"

 

[Cecilie1200]

I like you state, "They are non-differentiated cells", as though the two are mutually exclusive. It's so much fun to listen to leftists try to be "scientific" by changing the names things are called by as though it changes the basic facts.

Yes, an embryo is made up

Your confused. A zygote is not an embryo.

Oh, wow, an analogy to a completely different life form

Yet we share so much DNA with them and most all life.

You're confused. You think you're someone with the authority to correct me on English . . . or anything. The fact that you can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're" says otherwise.

Seriously, you should NEVER, EVER speak on anything scientific ever again, because it makes you look even more laughably ignorant than you normally do. Really, just . . . no.

"We share similar DNA, so that makes their reproductive systems TOTALLY analogous to ours. Totally, dude. Now pass the bong!"

I would never dare be a grammar nazi. However the point remains valid. An embryo is not a zygote.

The only question I have is was it confusion of deliberate conflation?

Which came first, the drumstick or the fried egg?

You decide.

The only question I have is, how long did you know you had lost the argument before this attempt at deflection?

Trying to spike the football before you score again? Do you think a zygote and an embryo are the same? Confusion I can understand, deliberate conflation to muddy the waters, I suspect.

Don't blame me because I recognize your surrender flag when I see it.

 

[Chuz Life]

Who's pretending. I'm a loser. I lost my High School sweetheart, and I've been suffering ever since

SAME.

So, it seems that we have at least THOSE two things in common.

 

[BlindBoo]

Does being Implanted or not implanted affect or change what the zygote IS?

It is the first step necessary to become a human being. That is it will never become a human being with out attaching to the womb.

That is, if you're ignorant like Boo and think "human being" is defined as "fully grown adult".

If you're intelligent, then implantation is merely a necessary step in the continued survival of an ALREADY EXISTING HUMAN BEING.

Who grieves for those lost human beings who couldn't attach to a womb?

Why is that relevant?

Those, who you call human beings, who do not attach are naturally disposed of as waste.

 

[Lesh]

A. There is nothing in the Bible condemning abortion

B. Anti-abortion zealotry is a hallmark of third world countries

C. Abortion was not even an issue in THIS country until the mid-19th century...although it existed

 

[Cecilie1200]

Are humans birds? No? Are they even remotely related to birds? No? Then what the hell does bird reproduction have to do with anything?

Although I guess we should be grateful you got closer this time than with your last analogy involving PLANTS. At least this time you were in the right kingdom and phylum. Maybe eventually you'll work your way up to an argument that involves another mammal.

Dodger fan?

No, humans are not birds. Yes, we share about 60 % of DNA with Chickens. There are two types of reproduction......

Yes, we have certain similar DNA. No, that is not in any way even remotely relevant to the fact that we're different species, different genera, different all the way up to phylum level. In other words, only an ignorant ass clown thinks "Well, chicken eggs . . ." has anything to say about human reproduction. And trying to pretend that citing DNA similarities somehow makes your argument LESS of a joke actually makes you sound even more ridiculous.

Seriously, stop. Go back to "Abortion is good because I hate religion!" It was stupid, but at least it was a type of stupid you were familiar with.

That's too funny.

Who said abortion is good?

Because I find belief in the supernatural absurd, doesn't mean I hate religion. But I suppose any insult works if that's what your into. (Opsie did i forgat a contraction......).

"Just because I attack and denigrate religion every chance I get doesn't mean I hate it. It just means the only way I can pretend I'm not a loser is if I pretend that I'm better than someone - anyone! - else."

Who's pretending. I'm a loser. I lost my High School sweetheart, and I've been suffering ever since.

Now who said abortion was good?

You know how I know when you've lost an argument so soundly even YOU recognize it? When you start trying to word-parse.

You're championing abortion, which is evil to start with. If you're doing so while thinking it's a bad thing, then that's exponentially evil.

So if you want to deny the benefit of the doubt I was giving you, that's up to you. I'm perfectly happy to go with you being irredeemably evil and disgusting, if you are.

 

[Chuz Life]

Does being Implanted or not implanted affect or change what the zygote IS?

It is the first step necessary to become a human being. That is it will never become a human being with out attaching to the womb.

That is, if you're ignorant like Boo and think "human being" is defined as "fully grown adult".

If you're intelligent, then implantation is merely a necessary step in the continued survival of an ALREADY EXISTING HUMAN BEING.

Who grieves for those lost human beings who couldn't attach to a womb?

Why is that relevant?

Those, who you call human beings, who do not attach are naturally disposed of as waste.

True.

That doesn't change what they are.

Callousness and Barbarism does not excuse ignorance.

 

[BlindBoo]

A fetus is not a child. An embryo is not a child. A zygote is not a child. A viable fetus could very well become a human being but until it has a successful birth, it is not a human being. Human? Yes of course.

Are the dictionaries and other medical references which say otherwise, wrong?

Prove it.

Who makes up defs anyway.....

hu·man be·ing
Dictionary result for human being
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

 

[FA_Q2]

Name any one crime against humanity that has been completely "stopped."

Why are you demanding more when comes to stopping abortions than you are for any other form of child molestation?

Because it's something Taz wants to do. If he/she wanted to beat children, he/she would be insisting that the fact that the laws don't completely stop such behavior, there shouldn't be any laws at all.

That really is not the crux of that statement and there really is a problem there. Something that the pro-life position must address (and does in a few ways).

If abortion becomes illegal do you prosecute women that have an abortion? If you do, then how do you do so or even know that it was an abortion and not a miscarriage? If not, then why make it illegal in the first place?

Those are, IMHO, real questions that the pro-life position has to struggle with as there is not a good answer to them both even if there is a best answer.

That really IS the crux of the discussion I was in, but thank you so much for inserting yourself and telling me how I "have to" be having a completely different discussion.

In MY never-humble opinion, you need to ASK me if I would like to discuss what the laws should be in the event of an abortion ban, not TELL me that I HAVE to discuss it.

No, I really don't have to ask you anything. That is the beauty of freedom - I can demand that answer from you and you can continue to not give it

But in the end, 'you' was less specific and more generalized to anyone holding a pro life position. The lot of you can ignore those questions to your hearts content but that is not how you change minds and policy will not move without changing minds.

Yes, well, I did make the silly assumption that you would actually want an answer, rather than simply wanting to issue useless demands and be told to piss off. I do beg your pardon for assuming sensibility where it was not.

It isn't that we "ignore" your questions. It's that we recognize that A) they aren't anywhere close to being issues needing resolution, since abortion is nowhere close to being universally banned, B) that the people who ask those questions are NOT doing so because getting the answers will change anything, but are merely doing so as a deflection, and C) that even if we consented to discuss those issues, the people asking wouldn't be listening to the answers seriously, anyway.

You made no such assumption. You actually assumed the opposite - that is why you had a tantrum about asking when the ask is implied with the ? placed at the end of those statements. Being told to piss off - well that is just because I see no reason not to mirror your acrid style of posting right back to you I find it rather entertaining.


"We" don't do anything. Most people are quite open about those questions and will debate them. The foot stomping and whining about them, that is just a you thing. And yes, this time the you is specific.

 

[Chuz Life]

hu·man be·ing
Dictionary result for human being
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

child
noun, often attributive
\ ˈchī(-ə)ld \
plural children\ ˈchil-drən , -dərn \
Definition of child
(Entry 1 of 3)

1a: an unborn or recently born person
bdialect : a female infant

 

[SaxxyBlues]

child
Dictionary result for child
/CHīld/
noun

1. a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
   synonyms: youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl;
   baby, newborn, infant, toddler;
   schoolboy, schoolgirl, adolescent, teenager, youth, young man, young woman, young lady, young person, young adult, juvenile, minor, junior;
   stripling, fledgling, whippersnapper;
   son, daughter, son and heir, scion, descendant;
   offspring, progeny, issue;
   technicalneonate;
   bairn, wean, laddie, lassie;
   pickney;
   informalkid, kiddie, kiddiewink, nipper, tot, tiny, tiny tot, shaver, young 'un, lad, lass, teen, teenybopper;
   informalsprog;
   informalrug rat;
   informalankle-biter;
   derogatorybrat, chit, urchin, guttersnipe;
   literarybabe, babe in arms;
   archaichobbledehoy
   "I've known Kate since she was a child"
   • a son or daughter of any age.
   • an immature or irresponsible person.
     "she's such a child!"

 

[Cecilie1200]

Does being Implanted or not implanted affect or change what the zygote IS?

It is the first step necessary to become a human being. That is it will never become a human being with out attaching to the womb.

That is, if you're ignorant like Boo and think "human being" is defined as "fully grown adult".

If you're intelligent, then implantation is merely a necessary step in the continued survival of an ALREADY EXISTING HUMAN BEING.

Who grieves for those lost human beings who couldn't attach to a womb?

Why is that relevant?

Those, who you call human beings, who do not attach are naturally disposed of as waste.

One could say the same about homeless people who freeze to death in alleyways. They become waste and are disposed of; they do not attach to anything, really, which is how they became homeless; and I do still call them human beings. How about you?

 

[Votto]

Disagree with your title and OP linking ancient human sacrifices to abortion. The human sacrifices were generally of adults to appease their gods. Abortion is the murder of babies for convenience.

I disagree with your linking abortion to convenience.

People have the right to decide for themselves how many children they want to have. The state has no compeling interest in this decision.

That's a lie. The state in the US does NOT tell women how many children to have, that is up to them.

I think you are thinking of communist China where couples are only allowed to have one child and mandatorily abort the rest.

However, the children women CHOOSE to have should not be murdered.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A fetus is not a child. An embryo is not a child. A zygote is not a child. A viable fetus could very well become a human being but until it has a successful birth, it is not a human being. Human? Yes of course.

Are the dictionaries and other medical references which say otherwise, wrong?

Prove it.

Who makes up defs anyway.....

hu·man be·ing
Dictionary result for human being
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

And?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you finally discovered the existence of dictionaries, and the fact that the Internet does more than stream porn. But what's your point?

 

[FA_Q2]

Disagree with your title and OP linking ancient human sacrifices to abortion. The human sacrifices were generally of adults to appease their gods. Abortion is the murder of babies for convenience.

I disagree with your linking abortion to convenience.

People have the right to decide for themselves how many children they want to have. The state has no compeling interest in this decision.

That's a lie. The state in the US does NOT tell women how many children to have, that is up to them.

I think you are thinking of communist China where couples are only allowed to have one child and mandatorily abort the rest.

However, the children women CHOOSE to have should not be murdered.

I don't think the quote you cited says what you think it does.

 

[BlindBoo]

Dodger fan?

No, humans are not birds. Yes, we share about 60 % of DNA with Chickens. There are two types of reproduction......

Yes, we have certain similar DNA. No, that is not in any way even remotely relevant to the fact that we're different species, different genera, different all the way up to phylum level. In other words, only an ignorant ass clown thinks "Well, chicken eggs . . ." has anything to say about human reproduction. And trying to pretend that citing DNA similarities somehow makes your argument LESS of a joke actually makes you sound even more ridiculous.

Seriously, stop. Go back to "Abortion is good because I hate religion!" It was stupid, but at least it was a type of stupid you were familiar with.

That's too funny.

Who said abortion is good?

Because I find belief in the supernatural absurd, doesn't mean I hate religion. But I suppose any insult works if that's what your into. (Opsie did i forgat a contraction......).

"Just because I attack and denigrate religion every chance I get doesn't mean I hate it. It just means the only way I can pretend I'm not a loser is if I pretend that I'm better than someone - anyone! - else."

Who's pretending. I'm a loser. I lost my High School sweetheart, and I've been suffering ever since.

Now who said abortion was good?

You know how I know when you've lost an argument so soundly even YOU recognize it? When you start trying to word-parse.

You're championing abortion, which is evil to start with. If you're doing so while thinking it's a bad thing, then that's exponentially evil.

So if you want to deny the benefit of the doubt I was giving you, that's up to you. I'm perfectly happy to go with you being irredeemably evil and disgusting, if you are.

My wife had an abortion after she was raped at the age of 13. It's good that she had a choice to have an abortion, but that doesn't mean terminating a developing life is a good thing. It didn't turn her into a soulless husk of a person. She's had three other children who have grown and are starting to have kids of their own. I also support the death penalty but I don't think a death sentence is a good thing either.