Why haven't the GOP gotten together an implementable bill that repeals and replaces O-care?

[Rustic]

What does the left want? Do they want the ACA replaced or not?

YES.....with Medicare for all...**** those private health insurance companies and hospital associations and big pharma......Health care is NOT a luxury and I don't give a crap if the CEO of Aetna cannot afford a new Lear Jet every couple of years.

Medicare for all? Who the **** is going to pay for that, ******* socialist deadbeats like yourself?

 

[The VOR]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

But that is what the orange one campaigned on, repeal and replace.

The worst types of cancer(socialist entitlement programs) are very hard to get rid of

So the orange one was just conning you rubes?

The orange one sliced open your nuts and left them squishing over the floor

And then you came along and licked them up.

 

[usmbguest5318]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

But that is what the orange one campaigned on, repeal and replace.

The worst types of cancer(socialist entitlement programs) are very hard to get rid of

So the orange one was just conning you rubes?

He could still turn into a career politician…

I have yet to meet a CEO, COO, or CFO, corporate president or SVP/EVP (or folks having effectively identical roles) who isn't for all intents and purposes a fully fledged politician. The the subject matter of most of their remarks generally pertains to their company's activity, but make no mistake, but it's political all the same. They are every bit as much "non-answerers" of questions, and wielders of nuance as is any lawyer, elected representative or appointed official.

That's why the whole "Trump as a non-politician" idea never held any water with me. Of course, most American's have never met or working with a C-level anyone, so they haven't any idea that being a pol and being a corporate exec isn't all that different, at least in terms of being good at behaving and expressing themselves as politicians do.

 

[keepitreal]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Well, I have to agree. At the very least, they should've been
working on a rough draft as a starting point and tweaking it.

I'm sure it's not as simple as anyone would like it to be.
But, it shouldn't have been thrown together willy nilly
and flung into action so carelessly either!

All it did was give more people free health care.
And penalized people who already had
and could afford health insurance.

Alot of money was spent over 8 years,
based on assumptions and calculations.
You just can't do that!

First of all, here is a law forcing everyone
to have health insurance and penalizes those who don't comply,
yet, the politicians are not included in their own deal
because they have already provided themselves
great health insurance/benefits, at our expense!

If they work for us, why aren't we the ones
who decide their salary, benefits and pension?

You have members of Congress worth millions...
Why aren't they paying for their own health insurance?
Why are we paying for any of their expenses?
Lunch, cars, gas, cell phones, office space, utilities,
office supplies, air fare, hotels, trips....wtf

If you want the job, cover your own expenses!
Who here owns their own business?
Don't you decide what your employees make
and what benefits or perks you offer your staff?

This is so ******* ridiculous...and has been!
The shit I've wanted people to be up in arms about
for I don't know how long....and still, nada!
Nooooo, it's wasted on Trump becoming PotUS!

Everyone deserves whatever we have coming.
So many people are so blindsided by Trump
they can't even see, let alone, look at, the bigger picture!

I will say this again...

The day when this house of cards, this facade,
comes crashing down, is not a matter of
if it will happen, it is a matter of when it will happen!

As sure as my name is Lynn Therese V******
it is going to happen and it's not going to be much longer!

Anyone with a working brain and their eyes open,
already knows, every country is functioning on borrowed time!
As soon as one finally collapses, the rest will follow like domino's.

Then, everyone will be pulling their heads out of their ass

 

[Cowman]

The plan has always been to stall, and let Americans die. They love dead Americans, whether on American soil or foreign sands.

Don't listen if they tell you otherwise, cause it's a crock of shit... just like that whole "anti-communism" spiel for the past many decades.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What does the left want? Do they want the ACA replaced or not?

YES.....with Medicare for all...**** those private health insurance companies and hospital associations and big pharma......Health care is NOT a luxury and I don't give a crap if the CEO of Aetna cannot afford a new Lear Jet every couple of years.

And yet when your party forced everyone to be patrons of those big private health insurance companies bringing them a windfall of business you cheered them on and stood by them almost religiously.

You're a hypocrite.

 

[oreo]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

Stupid.

They had seven years to repair it, and they sat on their thumbs.

Repeal and replace, remember?

Yeah, me neither.

[rolls eyes]

No back then it was just repeal. House Republicans sent up 30 bills to Obama's desk to repeal it, for the dog & pony show. Now that it's in their ballpark, they're going to fix it.

They won't defund Planned Parenthood something else they continually campaigned on. They're great at doing this to get the stupid vote.

 

[usmbguest5318]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

Stupid.

They had seven years to repair it, and they sat on their thumbs.

Repeal and replace, remember?

Yeah, me neither.

[rolls eyes]

No back then it was just repeal. House Republicans sent up 30 bills to Obama's desk to repeal it, for the dog & pony show. Now that it's in their ballpark, they're going to fix it.

They won't defund Planned Parenthood something else they continually campaigned on. They're great at doing this to get the stupid vote.

Sure. Fine. But they haven't done that either.

They sent 30 bills to Obama -- I can only find evidence of one, but one is enough --- and not one to their Republican President. The issue is that they have maintained for nearly a decade that the ACA should be repealed and they haven't even acted to do that. Why can't they simply send one of those "30" repeal bills to Trump? That would at least accomplish the one thing Republicans have wanted to do since the moment the ACA as passed and signed.

That the GOP Congress has not even sent one repeal bill to Trump tells me that the repeal bill sent to Obama was little but a "hot button" catalysts intended to keep a topic -- O-care -- in the forefront of their rhetoric. Now they've got the power to act with abandon on their desires, that is to say to govern as they see fit, and what are they doing? Nothing. Have you even seen a draft bill proposed from the GOP Congress or WH? They got what they wanted -- control of the executive and legislative branches of government -- and now that they have, they aren't ready to "take the horse by the reigns" and run with it. That's complete unpreparedness on their part and they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Claudette]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

Yup a hack job who thinks you can replace the ACA in three weeks.

Idiots just that. A ******* idiot.

 

[kaz]

your reply shows your total ******* ignorance about the subject at hand.
So take the butt plug out of your mouth you trump sucker.
and swallow all "the peemeister, the donald" has to give you.
Butt hurt boy!

"Everyone with a" brain knew that day one "meant at the" beginning of his "term." Why do you suppose "all the whiners now" are butt hurt leftists? "You know," you?

I really don't give a **** if you believe me.......But I'm having a GREAT time slamming Trump and showing morons like you how easily a charlatan lied to you and will keep lying to you for at least the next 2 years.....LOL

"You're having" a great time with "unmitigated" butt hurt? "Strange thing" to enjoy

What are you talking about? Defending your orange clown messiah again? Republicans are so partisan, you think everyone just loves your party like you do. Cut the RNC talking points and see if you can make a coherent point

 

[usmbguest5318]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

Yup a hack job who thinks you can replace the ACA in three weeks.

Idiots just that. A ******* idiot.

They sent at least one ACA repeal bill to Obama. Why have they not sent one to Trump? The ACA hasn't changed since they penned those bills.

As for replacing the ACA with something else, they've had seven years, at least, to figure out what that might be, and they, especially Trump, have been talking about replacement for at least two years. Two years is about how long it took to create the ACA, and that was from scratch with no prior enacted legislation to "bounce off of" and learn from its shortcomings as a guide for developing it.

So, no, it's not been three weeks. Don't even try to go there.

 

[kaz]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

Yup a hack job who thinks you can replace the ACA in three weeks.

Idiots just that. A ******* idiot.

They sent bills to Obama to repeal the ACA. Why have they not sent one of those same bills to Trump? The ACA hasn't changed since they penned those bills.

As for replacing the ACA with something else, they've had seven years, at least, to figure out what that might be, and they, especially Trump, have been talking about replacement for at least two years. Two years is about how long it took to create the ACA, and that was from scratch with no prior enacted legislation to "bounce off of" and learn from its shortcomings as a guide for developing it.

So, no, it's been three weeks. Don't even try to go there.

Seven years? Trump wasn't remotely preparing to run. WTF are you talking about he had seven years? If Trump had a specific legislative proposal out already you'd be attacking him for doing it in three weeks.

This is just pointless butt hurt from you yet again. You're a sniveling, angry little snowflake. Cut the stupid shit. If Obama doesn't lay out a plan this year and enact it by next year, then sure, I'll be upset. But three freaking weeks? Grow up

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is no secretary of health and human services. When Price takes his seat the dismantling of aca will roll along. It was part of the demo plan. Obstruct the cabinet, then say nothing was done.

 

[g5000]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

No, it's been SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. I've been asking you rubes all that time, "Repeal...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

And the GOP has never come up with a replacement in all that time.

Trump promised to have a series of reforms "ready for implementation" on day one of his Presidency.

So he lied, too.

Contrast that with Obama who submitted a reform package 18 MONTHS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have ObamaCare and are still stuck up the ass with it. The GOP is comprised of cowards and utter incompetents. And you dumb rubes have never caught on.

 

[nat4900]

There is no secretary of health and human services. When Price takes his seat the dismantling of aca will roll along. It was part of the demo plan. Obstruct the cabinet, then say nothing was done.

Lame, lame excuse.......The reality is that right wingers in congress sat with fingers up their asses for almost SEVEN years and did NOTHING...and they still have nothing.......

REMEMBER: Trump "promised" a plan to cover EVERY each one of us and to do it cheaper and better..........Dream on, **** heads.....LOL

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

No, it's been SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. I've been asking you rubes all that time, "Repeal...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

And the GOP has never come up with a replacement in all that time.

Trump promised to have a series of reforms "ready for implementation" on day one of his Presidency.

So he lied, too.

Contrast that with Obama who submitted a reform package 18 MONTHS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have ObamaCare and are still stuck up the ass with it. The GOP is comprised of cowards and utter incompetents. And you dumb rubes have never caught on.

Oh please... your fellow leftwingers in Congress are obstructing his cabinet then complaining he's not getting anything done. He's accomplished more in 20 days than your boi Barry did in 8 years.

Now, go poop your pants poopy pants pooper.

 

[usmbguest5318]

You wrote that bit about "30 bills" and now that I'm looking to confirm that quantity, I can't find it. Are you sure they sent that many repeal bills to Obama? I can only find that they sent Obama an ACA repeal bill in January 2016.

If you are correct about the 30 figure, please show some evidence for it. If you aren't, please, going forward and at least in my threads, refrain from untrue and just wrong by "order of magnitude" hyperbole. That sort of thing doesn't constructively advance a discussion and it makes it hard to trust your commentary.

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

Stupid.

They had seven years to repair it, and they sat on their thumbs.

Repeal and replace, remember?

Yeah, me neither.

[rolls eyes]

No back then it was just repeal. House Republicans sent up 30 bills to Obama's desk to repeal it, for the dog & pony show. Now that it's in their ballpark, they're going to fix it.

They won't defund Planned Parenthood something else they continually campaigned on. They're great at doing this to get the stupid vote.

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

Political rhetoric. They're going to fix it. They can't repeal it, leaving millions that were forced onto Obama care without insurance overnight. There's no point in replacing it so you can trade in one disaster for another either.

Stupid.

They had seven years to repair it, and they sat on their thumbs.

Repeal and replace, remember?

Yeah, me neither.

[rolls eyes]

No back then it was just repeal. House Republicans sent up 30 bills to Obama's desk to repeal it, for the dog & pony show. Now that it's in their ballpark, they're going to fix it.

They won't defund Planned Parenthood something else they continually campaigned on. They're great at doing this to get the stupid vote.

Sure. Fine. But they haven't done that either.

They sent 30 bills to Obama and not one to their Republican President. The issue is that they have maintained for nearly a decade that the ACA should be repealed and they haven't even acted to do that. Why can't they simply send one of those 30 repeal bills to Trump? That would at least accomplish the one thing Republicans have wanted to do since the moment the ACA as passed and signed.

That the GOP Congress has not even sent one of those 30 bills to Trump tells me that all the 30 bills were were "hot button" catalysts intended to keep a topic -- O-care -- in the forefront of their rhetoric. Now they've got the power to act with abandon on their desires, that is to say to govern as they see fit, and what are they doing? Nothing. Have you even seen a draft bill proposed from the GOP Congress or WH? They got what they wanted -- control of the executive and legislative branches of government -- and now that they have, they aren't ready to "take the horse by the reigns" and run with it. That's complete unpreparedness on their part and they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[kaz]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

No, it's been SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. I've been asking you rubes all that time, "Repeal...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

And the GOP has never come up with a replacement in all that time.

Trump promised to have a series of reforms "ready for implementation" on day one of his Presidency.

So he lied, too.

Contrast that with Obama who submitted a reform package 18 MONTHS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have ObamaCare and are still stuck up the ass with it. The GOP is comprised of cowards and utter incompetents. And you dumb rubes have never caught on.

Oh please... your fellow leftwingers in Congress are obstructing his cabinet then complaining he's not getting anything done. He's accomplished more in 20 days than your boi Barry did in 8 years.

Now, go poop your pants poopy pants pooper.

It's been a twofer. Trump did more than Barry in eight years AND undid everything Barry did in eight years!

 

[usmbguest5318]

We're looking at seven years of the Republicans carrying on about how horrible O-care is. In all that time, though there have been several GOP proposals for a replacement to O-care, they still haven't coalesced behind any of them. They were absolutely certain they wanted to repeal the ACA and they have the Congressional votes to do it and they have a President chomping at the bit to sign the repeal. Yet where are they on that? Nowhere.

I don't care what one thinks about O-care. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the GOP's failure, in spite of having had ample time to have something agreed upon and a ready to go, to assume their responsibility to govern and pass the bill that repeals and replaces O-care.

Now I happen to believe -- mainly from the cocktail party conversations I've had with a small handful of GOP folks in positions to know what's going on -- that for the most part Republicans, in general, don't really understand healthcare and health insurance, which admittedly is a very complex thing in the U.S. Even so, one'd think that at the very least, the GOP would simply repeal the ACA and restore things to their pre-ACA state. What's to understand by doing that? People weren't thrilled with it, but if all the complaining about O-care is to be believed, they liked that better than O-care. Is that not so?

In seven years, what have the GOP agreed upon among themselves as goes health insurance legislation? Not a damn thing.

Trump is no better. What has the man done? He spent a whole campaign talking about repeal and replace. Did he during that time -- nearly two years -- have a small cadre of staffers working on a proposal that he could formally submit to Congress as the replacement for O-care? No. To date, the substance of what he's done is offer one idea -- selling insurance across state lines -- and in effect tell Congress "you figure it out -- you fix it." Has he used his time and resources to come up with implementable legislation? No.

That's a governance failure and that is not what we elect people for, most especially when one party controls the Congress and the White House.

It hasn't been three weeks and Democrats think you can veto an election. You're a disingenuous liberal hack job

No, it's been SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. I've been asking you rubes all that time, "Repeal...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!"

And the GOP has never come up with a replacement in all that time.

Trump promised to have a series of reforms "ready for implementation" on day one of his Presidency.

So he lied, too.

Contrast that with Obama who submitted a reform package 18 MONTHS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have ObamaCare and are still stuck up the ass with it. The GOP is comprised of cowards and utter incompetents. And you dumb rubes have never caught on.

Oh please... your fellow leftwingers in Congress are obstructing his cabinet then complaining he's not getting anything done. He's accomplished more in 20 days than your boi Barry did in 8 years.

Now, go poop your pants poopy pants pooper.

Oh, no you don't. Either you are deliberately saying ridiculous stuff for the sake of saying it or you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know which it may rightly be.

1. The Democrats are not obstructing a damn thing. They don't have the votes to obstruct any of Trump's nominees. All they can do is slow the confirmation process and highlight issues. That in the Senate. House Democrats have even less power. There's nothing stopping Spkr. Ryan from commencing the ACA repeal process with the bill they passed and agreed in conference committee in 2016.
2. The GOP in 2016 passed O-care repeal legislation, and they have even more seats in both houses now than they did then. All they need to do is bring the bill they passed in 2016 to their respective floors, pass it and send it to the other end of Penn. Avenue. They could even have a Capitol page walk it there; it'd be there in 30 minutes or less.

Although it may seem like it to you, the Houses of Congress can do more than one thing at a time. The Senate's holding confirmation hearings does not prohibit McConnell from bringing other matters to the Senate floor. And, no, the Senate Dems cannot filibuster the ACA repeal anymore now than they could when it was originally passed in Jan. 2016.

 

[kaz]

The Democrats are not obstructing a damn thing

OMG, you need serious psychological help ...