Why does israel get a free pass when it comes to apartheid?

[Victory67]

They buy land from the people protected by the military that keeps winning.

Sounds like they are now in possession of stolen property. Which is a crime in most nations.

 

[Indeependent]

Peace Now...real objective.
They're the Jews who come to America and wear crosses.

Like a Holocaust denier you ask for evidence but then disregard all evidence provided if it counters your pre-conceived notions of truth.

This is why Israel gets a free pass with Apartheid. Its defenders refuse to accept that Israel can do wrong.

Peace Now is at least partially responsible for the 300+ Jews killed by terrorist bombings during Bill Clinton''s presidency.
They were completely against securing the border and checking the bags of West Bank Jordanians coming into Israel proper every day for work.

Anyone comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is ignorant.
The Jews were proud of being German and were murdered in cold blood.

 

[Indeependent]

They buy land from the people protected by the military that keeps winning.

Sounds like they are now in possession of stolen property. Which is a crime in most nations.

Like the millions of Americans that "own" Mexican property in California, New Mexico and Texas.
You may well be correct.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Do you have proof of that?

Peace Now performed a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all the settlements.

They found that around 33% of all settlements are built on stolen land and a similar percentage of all the land itself is stolen.

However, they found that Maale Adumim is 87% private land.

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_formal data_March07Eng.pdf

The funny thing is, right after Peace Now published this report, Israel changed the info to instead say this was State land and not private land, without providing any information on how this land was purchased from the original owners so quickly and converted to State land.

Peace Now claimed in November that 86 percent of Ma'aleh Adumim, which has more than 30,000 residents, was built on private Palestinian land.

After successfully petitioning the court to see the database, the group reported Wednesday that data show only 0.5 percent of the settlement is built on private land.

"The first report they released had major mistakes," said Captain Zidki Maman, a spokesman for the Civil Administration.

Peace Now: 32% of land held for settlements is private Palestinian property Israel News | Haaretz

 

[Victory67]

Like the millions of Americans that "own" Mexican property in California, New Mexico and Texas.
You may well be correct.

The United States and Mexico signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, giving the USA the Rio Grande boundary for Texas, and gave the U.S. ownership of California, and a large area comprising New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado.

Let us know when Israel and Palestine sign a peace treaty giving Maale Adumim to Israel. Until then any annexation of West Bank land is illegal and any confiscation of private land in the West Bank to be used for civilian settlements is illegal.

 

[Victory67]

Peace Now claimed in November that 86 percent of Ma'aleh Adumim, which has more than 30,000 residents, was built on private Palestinian land.

After successfully petitioning the court to see the database, the group reported Wednesday that data show only 0.5 percent of the settlement is built on private land.

"The first report they released had major mistakes," said Captain Zidki Maman, a spokesman for the Civil Administration.

Peace Now: 32% of land held for settlements is private Palestinian property Israel News | Haaretz

Bullshit. The Israeli govt. lied in their second info release. That much private land doesn't suddenly turn into state land in a year. And you believe such dishonesty.

 

[Kondor3]

"...any annexation of West Bank land is illegal and any confiscation of private land in the West Bank to be used for civilian settlements is illegal."

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."

( apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson, pertaining to a judicial ruling by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall )

I suspect that Israel will begin complying in full with international law in such matters, the moment they have reclaimed, purged, resettled, stablized and finalized all of Eretz Yisrael (their present holdings, plus the West Bank and Gaza) as their own.

And that will be only with respect to lands outside their permanent borders.

Meanwhile, don't hold your breath, that they're going to worry overly-much about such legalities.'

I don't think I would either, in their shoes.

 

[Indeependent]

Like the millions of Americans that "own" Mexican property in California, New Mexico and Texas.
You may well be correct.

The United States and Mexico signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, giving the USA the Rio Grande boundary for Texas, and gave the U.S. ownership of California, and a large area comprising New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado.

Let us know when Israel and Palestine sign a peace treaty giving Maale Adumim to Israel. Until then any annexation of West Bank land is illegal and any confiscation of private land in the West Bank to be used for civilian settlements is illegal.

I love it when an outgunned nation signs a treaty or agreement.

 

[Victory67]

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."

( apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson, pertaining to a judicial ruling by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall )

You will cry "anti-Semitism" if Israel is brought before The Hauge to face charges of war crimes for their theft of private land in the West Bank.

This is why Israel gets a free pass when it comes to their Apartheid regime in the West Bank. Israelis think its "anti-Semitism" to accuse Israel of wrongdoing. And its "Nazi anti-Semitism" to accuse an Israeli of racism.

When one side believe they are superior and can do no wrong, there can never be peace.

 

[Indeependent]

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."

( apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson, pertaining to a judicial ruling by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall )

You will cry "anti-Semitism" if Israel is brought before The Hauge to face charges of war crimes for their theft of private land in the West Bank.

This is why Israel gets a free pass when it comes to their Apartheid regime in the West Bank. Israelis think its "anti-Semitism" to accuse Israel of wrongdoing. And its "Nazi anti-Semitism" to accuse an Israeli of racism.

When one side believe they are superior and can do no wrong, there can never be peace.

You are absolutely correct.
Do you feel better now?

As a matter of curiosity, how many Arab leaders have ever publicly apologized about an act of terrorism against a Jew or Christian IN ARABIC on any ARAB media outlet?

 

[Victory67]

You are absolutely correct.
Do you feel better now?

As a matter of curiosity, how many Arab leaders have ever publicly apologized about an act of terrorism against a Jew or Christian IN ARABIC on any ARAB media outlet?

Why are you changing the subject?

 

[Indeependent]

You are absolutely correct.
Do you feel better now?

As a matter of curiosity, how many Arab leaders have ever publicly apologized about an act of terrorism against a Jew or Christian IN ARABIC on any ARAB media outlet?

Why are you changing the subject?

Because with all the sh!t going on in the MASSIVE land masses of the Middle East with their MASSIVE populations, you seem obsessed with perhaps the tiniest piece of geography and population of any nation on earth.

You are also obsessed with Israel's HONESTY while completely ignoring the lack of morals on the part of any other people.

I haven't seen you commenting on any other thread about anything.

 

[Kondor3]

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."

( apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson, pertaining to a judicial ruling by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall )

You will cry "anti-Semitism" if Israel is brought before The Hauge to face charges of war crimes for their theft of private land in the West Bank...

I will do no such thing.

Wake me up when that happens.

"...This is why Israel gets a free pass when it comes to their Apartheid regime in the West Bank. Israelis think its "anti-Semitism" to accuse Israel of wrongdoing. And its "Nazi anti-Semitism" to accuse an Israeli of racism..."

Standard-issue pro-Palestinian / Muslim Apologist canard.

"...When one side believe they are superior and can do no wrong, there can never be peace."

I don't believe that the Jews (or Israelis) think of themselves in those terms, nor do I believe that most pro-Israel advocates perceive them in that fashion.

Rather, they are the indisputable Winners in the contest for "Most Oppressed, Persecuted, Expelled, Robbed and Routinely Slaughtered People on the Face of the Planet".

They have had a bellyful, after what a mad world inflicted upon them in the 1930s and 1940s, and are done taking the world's shit.

They are now in the process of taking steps to ensure that such slaughter against them can never happen again.

And if that means spending a century kicking nasty Arab ass and chucking them out of old Jewish ancestral and spiritual lands, well, then, that's what they're going to do.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else says.

Don't like it? Feel free to try and stop them.

You won't be the first to get your teeth kicked in, trying.

Israel is what we have made her.

She intends to survive and thrive - on her own terms - and to stand against all comers.

Far better to compassionately help to relocate the Palestinians and to compensate the Palestinians and to help them begin to build new lives elsewhere.

Or you can pick up that rifle and fight the Israelis.

Good luck with that.

 

[Phoenall]

So this is happening inside Israel's borders is it, or is it happening in the occupied territory and done in full compliance with International law and the Geneva conventions.

If the later then you are spouting NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED learnt from some hate site, and you are not concerned with the truth because it would mean you would have to admit your racism.

And yet you are notoriously silent when another member calls for racist ethnic cleansing of Arabs in the West Bank.

I am now starting to understand why Israel thinks they can violate international laws. They think the laws are "for thee but not for me".

Didn't I pull them up and tell them that they were wrong on another subject.

So answer the question if you don't mind and stop hedging

So this is happening inside Israel's borders is it, or is it happening in the occupied territory and done in full compliance with International law and the Geneva conventions.

 

[Victory67]

Didn't I pull them up and tell them that they were wrong on another subject.

So answer the question if you don't mind and stop hedging

So this is happening inside Israel's borders is it, or is it happening in the occupied territory and done in full compliance with International law and the Geneva conventions.

The 4th GC forbids the confiscation of private land for any reason other than military purposes.

 

[Victory67]

And if that means spending a century kicking nasty Arab ass and chucking them out of old Jewish ancestral and spiritual lands, well, then, that's what they're going to do.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else says.

Don't like it? Feel free to try and stop them.

You won't be the first to get your teeth kicked in, trying.

Israel is what we have made her.

She intends to survive and thrive - on her own terms - and to stand against all comers.

Far better to compassionately help to relocate the Palestinians and to compensate the Palestinians and to help them begin to build new lives elsewhere.

Or you can pick up that rifle and fight the Israelis.

Good luck with that.

It is attitudes like yours that explain world-wide criticism and hatred of Israel.

Something you and other Israelis constantly cry about.

You cry about the world not loving Israel and then call for the violent ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in the West Bank.

If you want to know why much of the world hates Israel, read your own posts and have a good look in the mirror.

It is because of attitudes like yours that Israel's Apartheid regime in the West Bank gets a free pass. You and others have no respect for international laws or morals. You think you are above it all due to your history of suffering. You believe your history of suffering makes you immune from all international norms and laws.

But I want to thank you as I now truly understand why many people hate Israel.

 

[Indeependent]

And if that means spending a century kicking nasty Arab ass and chucking them out of old Jewish ancestral and spiritual lands, well, then, that's what they're going to do.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else says.

Don't like it? Feel free to try and stop them.

You won't be the first to get your teeth kicked in, trying.

Israel is what we have made her.

She intends to survive and thrive - on her own terms - and to stand against all comers.

Far better to compassionately help to relocate the Palestinians and to compensate the Palestinians and to help them begin to build new lives elsewhere.

Or you can pick up that rifle and fight the Israelis.

Good luck with that.

It is attitudes like yours that explain world-wide criticism and hatred of Israel.

Something you and other Israelis constantly cry about.

You cry about the world not loving Israel and then call for the violent ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in the West Bank.

If you want to know why much of the world hates Israel, read your own posts and have a good look in the mirror.

It is because of attitudes like yours that Israel's Apartheid regime in the West Bank gets a free pass. You and others have no respect for international laws or morals. You think you are above it all due to your history of suffering. You believe your history of suffering makes you immune from all international norms and laws.

But I want to thank you as I now truly understand why many people hate Israel.

Your post sends two different messages...
Israel's attitude fosters hate.
Israel's attitude protects them from criticism.

Huh?!

 

[Phoenall]

Taking each point in turn

You answer this one yourself when you put except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations in as every destruction of property is for military operations. Unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt they aren't.

Again in full compliance with the Geneva conventions and you cant prove beyond reasonable doubt that they aren't.


So do show were Israel has breached the Geneva conventions by producing itemised detailed instances of such breaches. Your word or the word of NGO's is biased so not acceptable under the circumstances.

Israel has routinely confiscated Arab land, kicked out the Arabs, destroyed the Arab's housing, and let Jewish settlers move in and create new housing.

You insist on telling your LIES and claiming that it is Israel that is confiscating arab land without once producing any evidence. In doing so you deny the Jewish people their right of return to land that is theirs stolen by force in 1948/1949. Isreal has complied fully with the terms of the Geneva conventions and done everything that they are legally allowed to do. You can make your NAZI RACIST claims all you like they wont alter the true facts about this.

The settlements by your own admission are mostly built on land owned by the Jews stolen in 1948 by the arab muslims. Unless you have irrefutable evidence to the contrary that will hold up in a court

 

[Phoenall]

Whereas Phoenal agrees that the WB is covered by the 4th Geneva Convention I do not as Article 2 states that the "4th GC only applies to two or more high contradicting parties" which is not the case because the international community never recognized Jordan's annexation of Judea and Samaria.

Jordan is a High Contracting Party.

Palestine is a High Contracting Party.

Jordan was the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank, and in 1984 they handed over all negotiating rights to the PLO, which at the time was recognized by the UN.

LIAR as Palestine has not signed to the Geneva conventions. here is a list of the signatories for your perusal.

Which countries signed the Geneva Conventions? | Answerbag

 

[Phoenall]

Aha, so you are saying that Israel's occupation of the WB is legal. Thank you.

Of course the military Occupation is legal. Just as Jordan's military Occupation was legal.

I have never said otherwise. What is illegal is annexation of Occupied Territory. Jordan was guilty of this and now Israel is guilty of this.

But Israel is also guilt of committing more war crimes than Jordan, as they have confiscated private land in the West Bank and used it to settle civilians which violates the 4th GC.

Then you will be able to provide the evidence of their criminal acts, so that the UN can inform the Hague to start proceedings against the people behind the criminal acts.


Still waiting for your reply to this very question on other threads, so will you please stop repeating the false allegations until you prove them.