Why does israel get a free pass when it comes to apartheid?

[Kondor3]

And if that means spending a century kicking nasty Arab ass and chucking them out of old Jewish ancestral and spiritual lands, well, then, that's what they're going to do.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else says.

Don't like it? Feel free to try and stop them.

You won't be the first to get your teeth kicked in, trying.

Israel is what we have made her.

She intends to survive and thrive - on her own terms - and to stand against all comers.

Far better to compassionately help to relocate the Palestinians and to compensate the Palestinians and to help them begin to build new lives elsewhere.

Or you can pick up that rifle and fight the Israelis.

Good luck with that.

It is attitudes like yours that explain world-wide criticism and hatred of Israel...

Beyond the realm of Islam, and especially within Christendom (the secularized West), and most especially since 9-11 and the London Tube bombings, that criticism isn't quite as widespread as you would like to think. Frankly, recent Gallup polls here in the US tell us that American support for Isreal is at an all-time high.

"...Something you and other Israelis constantly cry about..."

1. I am not an Israeli.

2. I do not cry (protest) about such things; rather, I embrace and accept what little there is; knowing that it's offset by a far greater support for Israel, in the US, and much of the West.

"...You cry about the world not loving Israel and then call for the violent ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in the West Bank..."

1. I do not cry (protest) about world opinion.

2. I do agree that expelling the West Bank and Gazan Muslim-Arab Palestinians, and shoving them across the border into Jordan, Lebanon, etc., is the only way to cut the Gordian Knot - but at least the Pals will still be alive at the end - as opposed to their swearing to drown the Jews in the Mediterranean.

"...If you want to know why much of the world hates Israel, read your own posts and have a good look in the mirror..."

OK.

Next slide, please.

"...It is because of attitudes like yours that Israel's Apartheid regime in the West Bank gets a free pass..."

Israel does not practice apartheid; they wall-off a hostile population segment of non-citizens for safety's sake.

"...You and others have no respect for international laws or morals..."

Oh, most Israel supporters (myself included) have plenty of respect for both international law and morals. It's just that Israel's survival and well-being and the completion of their goal of Reconquista - so that they finally have a defensible and sustainable bolt-hole to call their own - trumps any legal silliness that might otherwise bar the way. As to morals, well, that is, indeed, a distressing but necessary compromise, in order to correct the cosmic injustices inflicted upon the Jews over time. Consider it a painful penance.

"...You think you are above it all due to your history of suffering. You believe your history of suffering makes you immune from all international norms and laws..."

I have not suffered.

My people have not suffered.

Both sides of my Irish-German mixed-mutt hybrid non-practicing Roman Catholic family have been in the States since the 1800s.

And, other than having picked-up a Jewish brother-in-law in the early 1990s, Judaism doesn't touch me personally at all.

As to believing the Jews of Israel to be above international law, I believe no such thing; I'm merely willing to look the other way out of necessity until they complete their own Reconquista; then the rules are back 'on'.

"...But I want to thank you as I know truly understand why many people hate Israel."

You are welcome.

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[Phoenall]

And again for reasons I have given you as Jordan's annexation of Judea and Samaria was not recognized, therefore Israel is fully entitled to settle civilians there. That is land gained in a war of defense as Jordan attacked Israel and Israel won. Israel was victorious in 1967! Israel did not forcibly move its population into the area.

Jordan's annexation of the West Bank was illegal but their military Occupation was perfectly legal. Just as Israel's military Occupation is legal but their annexation of "East Jerusalem" was illegal.

33% of Israeli settlements are built on stolen land. This percentage is much greater for the larger settlements like Ariel and Maale Adumim. All settlements built on stolen private land are illegal.

You can repeat this till the sun goes cold it does not make it real, you have to provide PROOF and EVIDENCE of your allegations otherwise you are guilty of libel.

Does this mean all Palestinian settlements built on stolen land are also illegal. Here is a map to help you decide just were the Jews owned land.

 

[Phoenall]

And again for reasons I have given you as Jordan's annexation of Judea and Samaria was not recognized, therefore Israel is fully entitled to settle civilians there. That is land gained in a war of defense as Jordan attacked Israel and Israel won. Israel was victorious in 1967! Israel did not forcibly move its population into the area.

Jordan's annexation of the West Bank was illegal but their military Occupation was perfectly legal. Just as Israel's military Occupation is legal but their annexation of "East Jerusalem" was illegal.

33% of Israeli settlements are built on stolen land. This percentage is much greater for the larger settlements like Ariel and Maale Adumim. All settlements built on stolen private land are illegal.

Do you have proof of that?

I keep asking him for his proof and he just ignores the question, as if he has something to hide.

 

[Victory67]

I keep asking him for his proof and he just ignores the question, as if he has something to hide.

I provided her with proof.

You simply didn't care to read it or even look for it.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

And if that means spending a century kicking nasty Arab ass and chucking them out of old Jewish ancestral and spiritual lands, well, then, that's what they're going to do.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else says.

Don't like it? Feel free to try and stop them.

You won't be the first to get your teeth kicked in, trying.

Israel is what we have made her.

She intends to survive and thrive - on her own terms - and to stand against all comers.

Far better to compassionately help to relocate the Palestinians and to compensate the Palestinians and to help them begin to build new lives elsewhere.

Or you can pick up that rifle and fight the Israelis.

Good luck with that.

It is attitudes like yours that explain world-wide criticism and hatred of Israel.

Something you and other Israelis constantly cry about.

You cry about the world not loving Israel and then call for the violent ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in the West Bank.

If you want to know why much of the world hates Israel, read your own posts and have a good look in the mirror.

It is because of attitudes like yours that Israel's Apartheid regime in the West Bank gets a free pass. You and others have no respect for international laws or morals. You think you are above it all due to your history of suffering. You believe your history of suffering makes you immune from all international norms and laws.

But I want to thank you as I now truly understand why many people hate Israel.

Kondor is neither Jewish or Israeli, nor has he ever visited there.

 

[Victory67]

You can repeat this till the sun goes cold it does not make it real, you have to provide PROOF and EVIDENCE of your allegations otherwise you are guilty of libel.

Does this mean all Palestinian settlements built on stolen land are also illegal. Here is a map to help you decide just were the Jews owned land.

Libel is a criminal offense. Do you plan on contacting my district attorney and having me charged?

The Washington Post is an internationally respected newspaper and republished the findings of Peace Now, that I have posted in this thread. But I guess you think they are also Nazi anti-Semites as they have published information that is critical of Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

Kondor is neither Jewish or Israeli, nor has he ever visited there.

Yeppers...

 

[Shaarona]

Kondor is neither Jewish or Israeli, nor has he ever visited there.

Yeppers...

Where does your bias come from?

Why not be an honest researcher??

 

[Kondor3]

Kondor is neither Jewish or Israeli, nor has he ever visited there.

Yeppers...

Where does you bias come from?

Natural sympathy for a people who have been slaughtered in their millions within living memory, and admiration for their Turnaround or Comeback Kid story in carving out a place for themselves in the world so that the slaughter never happens again.

Edited to add...

"...Why not be an honest researcher??.."

I neither am nor do I aspire to be a 'researcher' in such matters; amateur or otherwise.

I am a layman-participant, serving-up honest opinion based upon my own readings and readily-confessed sympathies and biases, and learning something along the way, while participating in such layman-caliber discussion forums, and contributing a miniscule drop in the bucket, in advancing a cause that I believe in. on behalf of a people that have waited 2000 years to come home.

That's about as 'honest' as it gets.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have proof of that?

Peace Now performed a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all the settlements.

They found that around 33% of all settlements are built on stolen land and a similar percentage of all the land itself is stolen.

However, they found that Maale Adumim is 87% private land.

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_formal data_March07Eng.pdf

The funny thing is, right after Peace Now published this report, Israel changed the info to instead say this was State land and not private land, without providing any information on how this land was purchased from the original owners so quickly and converted to State land.

Read the peacenow report and found no mention of the 33% figure at all, or that any land was stolen for that matter. If you are gpoing to use a report be aware that I will read it and if it does not contain what you say I will call you a LIAR

 

[Phoenall]

Are you talking about all of Jerusalem and the Golan? Because Israel never annexed the West Bank.

Israel annexed part of the West Bank and called it "East Jerusalem".

This is illegal under international law. Just as it was illegal when Jordan annexed the whole West Bank.

Another of your LIES As it was always called east Jerusalem, or more precisely the old city and is were the Palestinians want to build their new government buildings. To do so they will need to destroy all traces of the Jewish temple. Do you support this act of wanton vandalism

 

[Phoenall]

When my family wanted to purchase property in Israel, I wanted it to be in Jerusalem, but they refused. Jerusalem was too expensive, they said. So instead they bought apartments in Maale Adumim.

Did they buy land from an Arab land owner or a Jewish land owner who owned the land prior to 1948?

It could not be from an arab as it is a hanging job to sell land to a Jew.

 

[Victory67]

Another of your LIES As it was always called east Jerusalem, or more precisely the old city and is were the Palestinians want to build their new government buildings. To do so they will need to destroy all traces of the Jewish temple. Do you support this act of wanton vandalism

The areas east of the old city were never considered part of Jerusalem.

These areas were never part of Jerusalem. Not under the Jordanians, the British, or even the Ottomans.

"East Jerusalem" is simply a made up term used to describe parts of the West Bank that were illegally annexed by Israel in 1968.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...igi=129k9cl9k&.crumb=hA1kYQV/Eqh&fr=slv8-tyc9

 

[Victory67]

Read the peacenow report and found no mention of the 33% figure at all, or that any land was stolen for that matter. If you are gpoing to use a report be aware that I will read it and if it does not contain what you say I will call you a LIAR

I quote, from the 2007 Peace Now report

"Over 32% of the land dominated by the settlements is private land"

I quote from the 2006 Peace Now report
http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_in_WB_nov06Eng.pdf

"We condemn the efforts of politicians and bureaucrats to launder the land grab, which
deprived thousands of Palestinians of the basic human right of possession, on the individual and collective levels."

"Key findings include:
> Palestinians privately own nearly 40% of the land on which
the settlements have been built"

The 2007 report updated this to more than 32%.

 

[Phoenall]

Peace Now...real objective.
They're the Jews who come to America and wear crosses.

Like a Holocaust denier you ask for evidence but then disregard all evidence provided if it counters your pre-conceived notions of truth.

This is why Israel gets a free pass with Apartheid. Its defenders refuse to accept that Israel can do wrong.

And you like all NAZIS disregard the truth because it shows that you have done no research on the subject. You do the Palestinians no favours when you spout your NAZI LIES gathered from your NAZI HATE SITES parrot fashion.

Now again were is the apartheid in Israel, and since when has complying with the Geneva conventions been called apartheid. If it is then why do you support an apartheid nation like America ?

For the record the only apartheid nations happen to be the Islamic ones, and Palestine hopes to join in when it ethnically cleanses all Jews from the land of Palestine. And you support their efforts by defending their criminality and terrorism.

 

[Phoenall]

They buy land from the people protected by the military that keeps winning.

Sounds like they are now in possession of stolen property. Which is a crime in most nations.

Instead of making immature digs why don't you prove that the land was not Jewish owned pre 1948. I have produced a map showing the land ownership for 1945 and it shows the Jewish and arab land ownership very clearly. Now dispute it if you can.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have proof of that?

Peace Now performed a thorough and comprehensive analysis of all the settlements.

They found that around 33% of all settlements are built on stolen land and a similar percentage of all the land itself is stolen.

However, they found that Maale Adumim is 87% private land.

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_formal data_March07Eng.pdf

The funny thing is, right after Peace Now published this report, Israel changed the info to instead say this was State land and not private land, without providing any information on how this land was purchased from the original owners so quickly and converted to State land.

Peace Now claimed in November that 86 percent of Ma'aleh Adumim, which has more than 30,000 residents, was built on private Palestinian land.

After successfully petitioning the court to see the database, the group reported Wednesday that data show only 0.5 percent of the settlement is built on private land.

"The first report they released had major mistakes," said Captain Zidki Maman, a spokesman for the Civil Administration.

Peace Now: 32% of land held for settlements is private Palestinian property Israel News | Haaretz

So yet another LIE that he wont be using again. Why do the NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS have to LIE so much when they know they will be found out and shown to be LIARS

 

[Phoenall]

Peace Now claimed in November that 86 percent of Ma'aleh Adumim, which has more than 30,000 residents, was built on private Palestinian land.

After successfully petitioning the court to see the database, the group reported Wednesday that data show only 0.5 percent of the settlement is built on private land.

"The first report they released had major mistakes," said Captain Zidki Maman, a spokesman for the Civil Administration.

Peace Now: 32% of land held for settlements is private Palestinian property Israel News | Haaretz

Bullshit. The Israeli govt. lied in their second info release. That much private land doesn't suddenly turn into state land in a year. And you believe such dishonesty.

Of course they did, I could not have been the peacenow NAZIs that lied and were found out could it. Read the post again as peacenow have admitted they got it wrong and that the real figure was 0.5%.


What a fool you have been shown, taken for a ride because you believed the first report that supported your POV instead of checking all the details.

 

[Victory67]

Of course they did, I could not have been the peacenow NAZIs that lied and were found out could it. Read the post again as peacenow have admitted they got it wrong and that the real figure was 0.5%.

What a fool you have been shown, taken for a ride because you believed the first report that supported your POV instead of checking all the details.

Both reports are made using information from the Israeli govt.

How did the Israeli govt. go from 86% private land to .5% private land in 1 year?

All that land was purchased by Jews from Arabs during that one year?

Israel took all that "Jewish" land and converted it into state land? Did they compensate the owners for this?

Bullshit. The Israeli govt. is lying.

 

[Phoenall]

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."

( apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson, pertaining to a judicial ruling by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall )

You will cry "anti-Semitism" if Israel is brought before The Hauge to face charges of war crimes for their theft of private land in the West Bank.

This is why Israel gets a free pass when it comes to their Apartheid regime in the West Bank. Israelis think its "anti-Semitism" to accuse Israel of wrongdoing. And its "Nazi anti-Semitism" to accuse an Israeli of racism.

When one side believe they are superior and can do no wrong, there can never be peace.

Not at all we will cry JUSTICE and see the case get thrown out because of lack of evidence. Then watch as Israel take the libellers to court and sue them for every penny they have. This will include nations and corporations world wide, and they will sue in every nations courts until they have seen of the NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS