Why Do You Trump Lovers Hate NATO So Much?

[Disir]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Um............I am not sure how old you are but........liberals don't like NATO either.....

 

[justoffal]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Nato simply enables socialist hacks to divert more money to fruitless socialism rather than spending it on their own defense.

Jo

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Crimea is not a member of NATO and neither is Ukraine. Have a nice day!

Way to make sure they never could be.

HUH.

Why can't the Ukraine join NATO?

Do you have any idea what we are discussing?

I remember Crimea pleading with the whole world to intervene and protect them from the invasion.

Do you?

Yes, I remember it. Please show me in the NATO charter where pleading equals membership in NATO.

Show me where I ever claimed that Ukrane and Crimera were "members."

Either the U.S. and it's NATO allies has an interest in defending against imperialistic spreads of communism, or they don't.

OK, where is that in their charter? You keep making things up that is not part of their mission.

Also, the Russians are no longer Communists. Catch a clue!

 

[rightwinger]

lotts of these millenials are just scared . Biff is probably one of the SCARED ,

Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all!
Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

We understand the importance of international cooperation

America first and isolationism went out a hundred years ago

 

[debbiedowner]

I neither love Trump or NATO. I don’t see the point of continuing an alliance of defense against a nation that ceased to exist nearly 30 years ago.

Especially when we expand it to include radical nations like Turkey. Does anyone really want to go to war if Turkey is attacker’s by someone?

Again Turkey has been in NATO since 1952.

Do you have any idea what functions NATO plays? I do I worked with them in 1969 for a little while. So do some research.

You? Worked? Not likely!

Yea as strange as it may seem I've had a job since I was 13 and only without 2 months after I was discharged from the service in 1971 and still working. I know you can't believe that but I was a republican all my life up until a couple years ago. Oh all my dem friends had and have jobs too.

 

[Lesh]

How about this logic.

Eurotrash has done nothing but shit on us for 75 years. Why should we protect their ungrateful POS asses? Why is a thug Russia our problem?

They should ALL pay 100% of our government expenses as tribute so that we never need to pay taxes again, or they can FUCK OFF and die at the hands of whatever threat comes crawling up their snooty asses.

It's not our problem.

The main problem is that there is NO logic there...and few facts.

Europe has not been shitting on us. They have been our ALLIES

And Russia is a problem for the whole world...as long as Putin is dictator.

 

[pismoe]

lotts of these millenials are just scared . Biff is probably one of the SCARED ,

Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all!
Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

We understand the importance of international cooperation

America first and isolationism went out a hundred years ago

------------------------------------- so not really that long ago eh RWinger ??

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I neither love Trump or NATO. I don’t see the point of continuing an alliance of defense against a nation that ceased to exist nearly 30 years ago.

Especially when we expand it to include radical nations like Turkey. Does anyone really want to go to war if Turkey is attacker’s by someone?

Again Turkey has been in NATO since 1952.

Do you have any idea what functions NATO plays? I do I worked with them in 1969 for a little while. So do some research.

You? Worked? Not likely!

Yea as strange as it may seem I've had a job since I was 13 and only without 2 months after I was discharged from the service in 1971 and still working. I know you can't believe that but I was a republican all my life up until a couple years ago. Oh all my dem friends had and have jobs too.

You may have been a Republican up until just a few years ago, but usually you're just a major league dumbass!

However, like a blind squirrel finding an acorn, you are actually correct on NATO! You are also older than Methuselah I think that might be the cause of your being a dumbass most of the time!

 

[kyzr]

lotts of these millenials are just scared . Biff is probably one of the SCARED ,

Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all!
Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

We understand the importance of international cooperation

America first and isolationism went out a hundred years ago

That's the problem, the US has been the world's sucker for the last 100 years. We're over-extended across the globe, from protecting Japan & South Korea, to protecting the EU, to trying to manage the ME in AFG, Iraq, Syria, and the rest, to protecting US interests in Africa. The US is spending $719b for defense and the EU is spending $279b, What's wrong with that picture considering that the EU economy is on par with the US economy?

We want the US to spend less on defense, and the EU to spend more on defense, don't you agree?

 

[Rambunctious]

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

Ummmmm are you talking to yourself?.....

 

[Rambunctious]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

Elections that were as legit as Putin's own re-election...

Are you PAID by Putin for that kinda crap?

You are funny....ignorant but funny at the same time.....

I don't find people like you spouting Russian propaganda at ALL funny

 

[Pilot1]

The U.N. and NATO take a LOT of our money, yet provide the United States very, very little in return. When you don't get a return on your investment you should cease investing.

 

[justoffal]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

you said they didn't pay, if they don't pay, we leave. It is really quite simple. ahhhhh I see it was simple. to easy for you. they don't pay for the service we leave.

Doubling down on stupid assertions doesn't make them any less stupid

I never said "they "don't pay" in fact just the opposite

And it ain't fucking DUES you cretin

Who gives a shit??. The EU is surrendering to Sharia anyway.... If that's all they think of their freedom they don't deserve it. Let Putin Or Xi take over....either one will do a better job.

Jo

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Oh sweetheart I was sour on Europe and NATO long, long, long before Trump came on the scene. Europeans have been happy to take our money with one hand while they slap us with the other for decades now. I'm dead sick of it and most smart Americans are too.

No more. Bye, Europe. Good luck with Islam.

PS I don't love Putin either.

but Putin loves you for your blind support...

 

[bendog]

The U.N. and NATO take a LOT of our money, yet provide the United States very, very little in return. When you don't get a return on your investment you should cease investing.

Nato is the basis for our free trade with Western (and central) European markets. And that is why Putin hates it, and helped Trump win. And it's not deniable that Putin did that; it's just a question of whether Trump knowingly accepted the help. That's all Russiagate is about.

But, Nato states have traditionally relied on US troop levels that aren't continuing. Germany is a joke. And it's a good question why Nato should have any defense application outside of Europe ... and Turkey.

The UN is a place where Presidents can use the bully pulpit. It can be useful for feminine assistance. And some of it's "peace keeping" missions have been better than nothing.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Look at all the European lackeys on this thread. Probably going to cry about how they're our "allies".

Sure, sure they are, uh-huh. Some allies, you bet.

On the one hand we have
"european lackeys" and on the other "Putin Defenders"

I'll side with Europe...ya know...our traditional allies

Sooooo funny. Look who's turned inflexible and conservative? See, they're losing the culture, folks.

"Traditional allies". LOL

Traditional allies as in -- Steve King prefers them over "brown people" type of allies.

Its fun to see republicans pretend they don't love Europeans over anything brown....

 

[pismoe]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

you said they didn't pay, if they don't pay, we leave. It is really quite simple. ahhhhh I see it was simple. to easy for you. they don't pay for the service we leave.

Doubling down on stupid assertions doesn't make them any less stupid

I never said "they "don't pay" in fact just the opposite

And it ain't fucking DUES you cretin

Who gives a shit??. The EU is surrendering to Sharia anyway.... If that's all they think of their freedom they don't deserve it. Let Putin Or Xi take over....either one will do a better job.

Jo

-------------------------------- thats a heck of a good way to think about it though Eastern Europe seems to have some traditional , Western , Christian thinking going on !! But as 'western europe' takes in more third worlders who is it in the USA that wants to trust them . As example , who trusts 'muslim turkey' a 'nato' member to be trustworthy JO ??

 

[PoliticalChic]

The U.N. and NATO take a LOT of our money, yet provide the United States very, very little in return. When you don't get a return on your investment you should cease investing.

Nato is the basis for our free trade with Western (and central) European markets. And that is why Putin hates it, and helped Trump win. And it's not deniable that Putin did that; it's just a question of whether Trump knowingly accepted the help. That's all Russiagate is about.

But, Nato states have traditionally relied on US troop levels that aren't continuing. Germany is a joke. And it's a good question why Nato should have any defense application outside of Europe ... and Turkey.

The UN is a place where Presidents can use the bully pulpit. It can be useful for feminine assistance. And some of it's "peace keeping" missions have been better than nothing.

"... why Putin hates it, and helped Trump win."

1. The only folks for whom there is actual evidence of collusion and conspiring with Putin are Democrats.

2. Russia is a dictatorship.
Nothing emanates from Moscow without Putin's imprimatur....
The 'information' in the infamous 'dossier' came from Russia.

Now.....if Putin wanted Trump to win.......would there have ever.......ever.....been a dossier?????

QED......the candidate of Vladimir Putin was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.
After all....Putin has a history of bribing the Clintons....



You are amazingly dumb and equally so dishonest.

Bet everyone tells you that, huh?

 

[justoffal]

Look at all the European lackeys on this thread. Probably going to cry about how they're our "allies".

Sure, sure they are, uh-huh. Some allies, you bet.

On the one hand we have
"european lackeys" and on the other "Putin Defenders"

I'll side with Europe...ya know...our traditional allies

Sooooo funny. Look who's turned inflexible and conservative? See, they're losing the culture, folks.

"Traditional allies". LOL

Traditional allies as in -- Steve King prefers them over "brown people" type of allies.

Its fun to see republicans pretend they don't love Europeans over anything brown....

the only color seen by any DC politician regardless of what party they claim to belong to is green. If you honestly think otherwise
you are very gullible.

Jo

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

not once , not ever have i worried about 'nato' in all my 70 years ,

Does it exist?

--------------------------------- its just funny , they worry about everything but all they are is Pawns . And President Trump is going to do as he thinks is best Mindful .

This was an actual story on Fox News for over 2 weeks....I know trump lovers hate people's ability to remember shit because when we do, you folks have to pretend like it wasn't really that big of a deal at the time to you...which is false.