Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

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I already told you. And you don't think that YOU are blind? Damn. I am very impressed by what "just believing" in pure bullshit has done for your brain.

And some people don't believe there are any negative consequences for eating the vile and loathsome "flesh" of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE.

Imagine that!

Actually you didn’t already tell him your answer. You’re playing games.

 

[ding]

your problem is there are no verifiable accounts any of your claims ever occurred - miracles or resurrection - all entirely madeup in the 4th century christian bible for obvious reasons being for their own benefit - then called faith for who is so gullible as to believe their deceptions.

Incorrect. Verified and corroborated.

 

[ding]

"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

The evidence shows the first Christians witnessed the miracles and the resurrected Christ and that’s what convinced them Jesus is God.

 

[airplanemechanic]

As one of the few protestants on this board who switched over from being baptized a Catholic, I can answer this quite succinctly.

The entire protestant denomination came to be to fight the catholics and all their non-Christian teachings. Catholics teach people numerous things which have ZERO references in the bible such as:

1. That saying some set number of prayers forgives you of sin. The bible clearly states only asking the Lord for forgiveness can forgive you of sin. No Earthly actions can do that.

2. They made up a prayer called the "Hail Mary." The problem with it is that it talks about Mary being holy. Mary was not holy. Mary was blessed, but she was not holy.

3. Catholics pray to dead sinners. After relatives die, they pray to the dead. The Lord forbids this as he clearly states that you can pray to the father, son or holy spirit only. Anyone or anything else is a violation of his commandment regarding not taking any other Gods but himself.

4. Catholics have "confession" where they confess their sins to another sinner and so-said that sinner forgives them. The bible clearly states that ONLY God can forgive sin, no Earthly being can do that.

I could go on and on. Catholics are Christians, but their beliefs are so whacky I can see why some would say they aren't Christians at all.

 

[ding]

As one of the few protestants on this board who switched over from being baptized a Catholic, I can answer this quite succinctly.

The entire protestant denomination came to be to fight the catholics and all their non-Christian teachings. Catholics teach people numerous things which have ZERO references in the bible such as:

1. That saying some set number of prayers forgives you of sin. The bible clearly states only asking the Lord for forgiveness can forgive you of sin. No Earthly actions can do that.

2. They made up a prayer called the "Hail Mary." The problem with it is that it talks about Mary being holy. Mary was not holy. Mary was blessed, but she was not holy.

3. Catholics pray to dead sinners. After relatives die, they pray to the dead. The Lord forbids this as he clearly states that you can pray to the father, son or holy spirit only. Anyone or anything else is a violation of his commandment regarding not taking any other Gods but himself.

4. Catholics have "confession" where they confess their sins to another sinner and so-said that sinner forgives them. The bible clearly states that ONLY God can forgive sin, no Earthly being can do that.

I could go on and on. Catholics are Christians, but their beliefs are so whacky I can see why some would say they aren't Christians at all.

So much to unpack here that just isn’t so.

 

[airplanemechanic]

So much to unpack here that just isn’t so.

Oh well by all means, prove anything I said wrong. Because I spent 25 years of my life as a Catholic. I KNOW the whackadoodle stuff they teach.

Oh yea I almost forgot the biggest one:

5. They made up something called a "pope." Nowhere in the bible is the word "pope" mentioned. That is a fantasy of the catholic religion.

And for good measure:

6. They made up somewhere between heaven and hell called "purgatory." Again, that word doesn't exist in the bible.

These whackjobs just make stuff up.

 

[ding]

Oh well by all means, prove anything I said wrong. Because I spent 25 years of my life as a Catholic. I KNOW the whackadoodle stuff they teach.

Why? What would the point be? It’s so far removed from reality that clearly you have been brainwashed.

 

[BackAgain]

it seems that in the US the term Christian often means Protestant only

and excludes Catholics

why is that so?

I don’t know. I disagree with it.

But if I must speculate, I’d say that maybe it has something to do with doctrines such as Papal Infallibility, or the claim that to speak to God, folks should start by going through intermediaries. Or maybe it has something to do with men wearing what amounts to dresses when conducting Mass. and what about all the ritualistic stuff that has little to nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ?

 

[BreezeWood]

The evidence shows the first Christians witnessed the miracles and the resurrected Christ and that’s what convinced them Jesus is God.

your problem is there are no verifiable accounts any of your claims ever occurred - miracles or resurrection - all entirely madeup in the 4th century christian bible for obvious reasons being for their own benefit - then called faith for who is so gullible as to believe their deceptions.

then show the evidence ...

 

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then show the evidence ...

I have. Dozens of times.

 

[ding]

I don’t know. I disagree with it.

But if I must speculate, I’d say that maybe it has something to do with doctrines such as Papal Infallibility, or the claim that to speak to God, folks should start by going through intermediaries. Or maybe it has something to do with men wearing what amounts to dresses when conducting Mass. and what about all the ritualistic stuff that has little to nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ?

It’s much simpler than that. Rival religions attack rival religions. Human nature.

 

[hadit]

Another non sequitur? Great. What's so hard for you to comprehend about 3 not being the same as one? When someone talks about the trinity being a MYSTERY too difficult for the human mind to comprehend its just a lie.

Do you claim to comprehend all there is to know about God? I do not.

Thats easy to comprehend. Many people are full of shit, especially the ones who wear resplendent costumes.

Have you looked in the mirror lately?

This is earth. Remember? A lawless wilderness teeming with every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird. And you are easy prey. A freakin mark. And I bet they start drooling when they see you coming from a mile away.

Tsk, tsk, the lame, last ditch effort of the defeated in the realm of discussion, attempting to salvage some dignity by attacking the other person instead of the ideas being discussed.

 

[hadit]

I have. Dozens of times.

The question to ask is, "what evidence would you deem sufficient?", because they don't really want to see evidence, they just want to move the goal posts as soon as you present it.

 

[hobelim]

They made up something called a "pope." Nowhere in the bible is the word "pope" mentioned. That is a fantasy of the catholic religion.

Pope, caesar, what's the difference?

Caesar conferred power and authority to the papacy, the beast with the horns of a lamb but who spoke like the dragon.

Same shit, just another name.

 

[ding]

Pope, caesar, what's the difference?

Caesar conferred power and authority to the papacy, the beast with the horns of a lamb but who spoke like the dragon.

Same shit, just another name.

Did you make a new friend? Apostates of a feather flock together.

 

[hobelim]

Do you claim to comprehend all there is to know about God? I do not.

Ha ha. Very clever. I never claimed to know everything about God. But I do comprehend his wisdom in giving the Law. And I am in agreement with his judgments about the heights and depths of human potential, human archetypes..

Jesus said, "The man who receives my commands and obeys them - he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father; and I will disclose myself to him." and "IF you know me you will know my Father too." So I obeyed his commands and Jesus has disclosed himself to me. The proof is in my words.

Face to face I have seen and heard the words of the living God.

Meanwhile you are professing to worship the Jewish God, the Father of Jesus, by praying to a trinity that diddled a virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish man, a false god that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. And I know that you have never seen and do not know Jesus either. You believe in and worship a figment of a 4th century Romans imagination, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, The Antichrist. So I know you understand neither scripture nor the power of God (you are regurgitating gibberish about a imaginary mangod) unless your defiance is a deliberate expression of pure hatred for he who truly is God.

So either you have been deceived or you are a deliberate deceiver who has made sinfulness a conscious choice.

Which is it?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Why? What would the point be? It’s so far removed from reality that clearly you have been brainwashed.

Translation: I can't dispute a single thing you said so I'll just attack you personally.

Thank you. I knew I was right. Thanks for playing.

 

[Mack The Finger]

As a Catholic, the totality of my relationship with Mary includes asking her to pray for me and also to ask her son to hear my prayers.

I am a Catholic also and we are very few here in East Tennessee / Appalachia.

My NEW neighbor was over my house doing some work for me. He is from Calli and is a stone Jesus Freak, gun nut and Sovereign citizens.

He told me Catholics worship Saints. I told him I am Catholic and that is news to me but I am not going to discuss it with you because you'll just mad. He said NO NO...come one. I told him we pray to saints but in reality we pray with the Saints and it has entered our language as being said that way.

He got all huffy and told me I was wrong. I said dude I've been a Catholic all 69 years of my life and you are wrong. Besides our relationship to Saints is biblical...the word Jesus himself He said show to me in my bible and he got further pissed off when I told him we use the original bible. He said well show it to me anyhow.

I said no problem and went to CatholicAnswers.com and looked it up. The next day I went over his house and said...I have the passage. He went nuts on me and I thought I was going to have to call the police...not for my protection. But so this guy could get a mental health check up.

I mean he lost it...screaming at the top on his lungs...I could see the veins in his neck.

Catholics are the new Jews.

 

[hobelim]

Actually you didn’t already tell him your answer. You’re playing games.

Yes I did answer his question. And, I assure you, this is no game. This is not a drill. This is judgment day.

And here it is.....

"To answer your question. Can God act supernaturally or not? Yes. But not in the way that you believe in your deluded unrestrained imagination. You understand neither scripture nor the power of God. God has denied you comprehension supernaturally of what can be easily grasped by any honest person with a 2nd grade education.

You have lost your way, your mind, in a very dark forest of brazen lies. The poison of talking serpents. Thats truth.

If you don't care, I certainly don't."

 

[hadit]

Ha ha. Very clever. I never claimed to know everything about God. But I do comprehend his wisdom in giving the Law. And I am in agreement with his judgments about the heights and depths of human potential, human archetypes..

So, you have to acknowledge that there's no reason to insist Jesus' miracles were impossible.

Jesus said, "The man who receives my commands and obeys them - he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father; and I will disclose myself to him." and "IF you know me you will know my Father too." So I obeyed his commands and Jesus has disclosed himself to me. The proof is in my words.

Face to face I have seen and heard the words of the living God.

You claim to have seen God face to face and lived? No, you have not.

Meanwhile you are professing to worship the Jewish God, the Father of Jesus, by praying to a trinity that diddled a virgin to become an innocent sacrificial Jewish man, a false god that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. And I know that you have never seen and do not know Jesus either. You believe in and worship a figment of a 4th century Romans imagination, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, The Antichrist. So I know you understand neither scripture nor the power of God (you are regurgitating gibberish about a imaginary mangod) unless your defiance is a deliberate expression of pure hatred for he who truly is God.

So either you have been deceived or you are a deliberate deceiver who has made sinfulness a conscious choice.

Which is it?

Your insistence on perverting what I have said and claim you know what I believe is your downfall.