Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

He explained that the first Christians were all over the place as to what they believed. Some believed he was fully human, some believed he was fully divine and others took a position between the two. That was the reason there were so many councils to sort out the multitudes of beliefs and converge on one.
But the first Christians weren’t all over the map and that’s why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God. There are no accounts which challenge the miracles performed by Christ and the resurrection of Christ.
 
But the first Christians weren’t all over the map and that’s why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God. There are no accounts which challenge the miracles performed by Christ and the resurrection of Christ.

there are no contemporary accounts nor even the likeness of the itinerant for the time of the events as they occurred and are completely obscured by the 4th century christian bible.

no one close to jesus in the 1st century believed nor did the itinerant ever claim to be a messiah sent by the heavens as that was why they were crucified for never acknowledging the tribunals accusations.

the events of the 1st century is the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al as why those events were never a concern of the roman authorities and jesus was allowed unencumbered access wherever they traveled.
 
there are no contemporary accounts nor even the likeness of the itinerant for the time of the events as they occurred and are completely obscured by the 4th century christian bible.

no one close to jesus in the 1st century believed nor did the itinerant ever claim to be a messiah sent by the heavens as that was why they were crucified for never acknowledging the tribunals accusations.

the events of the 1st century is the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al as why those events were never a concern of the roman authorities and jesus was allowed unencumbered access wherever they traveled.
Then why was Jesus worshipped as God after his resurrection?
 
But the first Christians weren’t all over the map and that’s why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God. There are no accounts which challenge the miracles performed by Christ and the resurrection of Christ.
Alas, the facts seem to contradict your understanding of history. The Jewish Messiah was always cast as a human being chosen by God.

The earliest Christian writings gave several titles to Jesus, such as Son of Man, Son of God, Messiah, and Kyrios, which were all derived from Hebrew scripture. These terms centered around two opposing themes, namely "Jesus as a preexistent figure who becomes human and then returns to God", versus adoptionism – that Jesus was a human who was "adopted" by God at his baptism, crucifixion, or resurrection.[web 1] Prior to 2007, the scholarly consensus was that the divinity of Christ was a later development,[6] though most scholars now argue that a high Christology existed prior to Paul.[7][8]

From the second to the fifth centuries, the relation of the human and divine nature of Christ was a major focus of debates in the early church and at the first seven ecumenical councils. The Council of Chalcedon in 451 issued a formulation of the hypostatic union of the two natures of Christ, one human and one divine, "united with neither confusion nor division",[9] affirmed by most of the major branches of Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy,[9][10] and rejected by the Oriental Orthodox Churches[11][12][13] which subscribe to Miaphysitism as articulated by Second Council of Ephesus, where it affirmed the first Council of Ephesus's doctrine of one composite divine-human nature after the union.[14][15]
 
Alas, the facts seem to contradict your understanding of history. The Jewish Messiah was always cast as a human being chosen by God.

The earliest Christian writings gave several titles to Jesus, such as Son of Man, Son of God, Messiah, and Kyrios, which were all derived from Hebrew scripture. These terms centered around two opposing themes, namely "Jesus as a preexistent figure who becomes human and then returns to God", versus adoptionism – that Jesus was a human who was "adopted" by God at his baptism, crucifixion, or resurrection.[web 1] Prior to 2007, the scholarly consensus was that the divinity of Christ was a later development,[6] though most scholars now argue that a high Christology existed prior to Paul.[7][8]

From the second to the fifth centuries, the relation of the human and divine nature of Christ was a major focus of debates in the early church and at the first seven ecumenical councils. The Council of Chalcedon in 451 issued a formulation of the hypostatic union of the two natures of Christ, one human and one divine, "united with neither confusion nor division",[9] affirmed by most of the major branches of Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy,[9][10] and rejected by the Oriental Orthodox Churches[11][12][13] which subscribe to Miaphysitism as articulated by Second Council of Ephesus, where it affirmed the first Council of Ephesus's doctrine of one composite divine-human nature after the union.[14][15]
I don’t care about prophecies or messiahs. I only care that Christianity began after the resurrection of Christ and that the first Christians who had feared for their lives and were in hiding all of a sudden were no longer fearful for their lives and boldly proclaimed their beliefs risking persecution after their leader was put to death.
 
Read the first word of your post. It defines the personal twist of all the other words.
There is no way to twist the definition of idolatry. Eucharistic worship and the worship of Jesus is idolatry.

"In the Bible, idolatry is defined as worshiping anything or anyone other than the one true God, or placing something else above God in one's affections and priorities. It's not limited to the worship of physical idols or statues, but also encompasses giving ultimate loyalty and devotion to anything that takes the place of God in one's life."

Because you type so well I will assume that you already know that Jesus, your God, is not present in anything MADE BY HUMAN HANDS. That being said, there never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. And a person doesn't even have to believe in God to know that your belief that a triune god became a sacrificial Jewish man is A LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY.

Listen sister, your maudlin story about a trinity becoming a little baby boy who abolished his own law was ridiculed despised and rejected only to become a "perfect human sacrifice' so that believers who celebrate his death and worship and eat a lifeless piece of bread for spiritual life can sin with impunity for life is just not true.

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

How is it that you don't know the only right course to take? Where is your faith? IN THE TRUTH.
 
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Oh dear, what is Jesus doing here? Is He leaving the Law
Like I've said, the revelation of Jesus made the wrong WAY to follow the Law obsolete, NOT THE LAW ITSELF.

The so called new covenant is exactly the same as the old covenant Its the same exact WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law that was lost to time after his death until Jesus came and revealed it.

Then what Jesus found was buried and hidden in figurative language of the NT and lost to time again until now.
 
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I don’t care about prophecies or messiahs. I only care that Christianity began after the resurrection of Christ and that the first Christians who had feared for their lives and were in hiding all of a sudden were no longer fearful for their lives and boldly proclaimed their beliefs risking persecution after their leader was put to death.
I presume you mean the apostles and Jesus' Jewish followers in Judea. Of the apostles (we'll never know about his other followers), how many left Judea after Jesus' death? News traveled slowly in them days.
 
What was the right way to follow Leviticus 18:22?
OK. Fair enough.

The right way to follow that law is to not pay homage to any man like trump, the epitome of a talking serpent, and by doing so lose your soul, your mind, the very seat of your conscious existence, and become subservient to evil.

Any person who hopes for eternal life must diligently stand guard over the sanctity of their own mind. Its easy.

Do you have a problem with that?

That being said, "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."



ITS THE LAW.
 
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I presume you mean the apostles and Jesus' Jewish followers in Judea. Of the apostles (we'll never know about his other followers), how many left Judea after Jesus' death? News traveled slowly in them days.
The ones who had firsthand knowledge of the miracles performed by Christ and his resurrection. The ones who had good reason for believing Jesus was God Incarnate. You did say if you had witnessed the miracles firsthand, you would have believed too, right? Because that is literally what I am arguing. The firsthand witnesses who witnessed the miracles performed by Christ realized Jesus was God Incarnate after his resurrection and that’s why they worshipped Jesus as God.
 
OK. Fair enough.

The right way to follow that law is to not pay homage to any man like trump, the epitome of a talking serpent, and by doing so lose your soul, your mind, the very seat of your conscious existence, and become subservient to evil.

Any person who hopes for eternal life must diligently stand guard over the sanctity of their own mind. Its easy.

Do you have a problem with that?

That being said, "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."



ITS THE LAW.
What does Leviticus 18:22 state? And how do you reconcile what it actually states with what you just wrote? Because it seems to me that your explanation is unfounded and detached from reality.
 
Like I've said, the revelation of Jesus made the wrong WAY to follow the Law obsolete, NOT THE LAW ITSELF.

The so called new covenant is exactly the same as the old covenant Its the same exact WAY that Moses originally taught to follow the Law that was lost to time after his death until Jesus came and revealed it.

Then what Jesus found was buried and hidden in figurative language of the NT and lost to time again until now.
The Law is not obsolete. You keep saying that and I do not. It does not, however, apply to those of us who died with Christ. You just choose to ignore that part of Scripture.
 
The Law is not obsolete. You keep saying that and I do not.
But your hero Paul did. And I thought you were a believer. Pft.

"By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:13​

 
What does Leviticus 18:22 state? And how do you reconcile what it actually states with what you just wrote? Because it seems to me that your explanation is unfounded and detached from reality.
 
But your hero Paul did. And I thought you were a believer. Pft.

"By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:13​

The covenants between God and the Jewish people, as detailed in the Hebrew Bible, are foundational to Jewish identity and faith. These covenants, or binding agreements, establish a unique relationship between God and the Jewish people, outlining both responsibilities and blessings. Key covenants include the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic (or Sinai) Covenant, and the Davidic Covenant.

Here's a breakdown of the main covenants:
  • Abrahamic Covenant:
    This covenant, initiated with Abraham, promises him descendants, land (Canaan), and a special relationship with God, making his lineage a blessing to all nations. It's often seen as the foundation for the Jewish people's covenantal relationship with God. A key symbol of this covenant is circumcision for Jewish males.

  • Mosaic Covenant:
    This covenant, established at Mount Sinai after the Exodus from Egypt, outlines the Law of Moses(including the Ten Commandments) as a guide for the Israelites. It's a conditional covenant, meaning blessings are promised for obedience and curses for disobedience. This covenant defines the Israelites as a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation".

  • Davidic Covenant:
    This covenant, made with King David, promises that his lineage will reign forever and that his descendants will establish God's kingdom on Earth. It's seen as a continuation and deepening of God's promises to Israel.

  • The New Covenant:
    This covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah, focuses on God's forgiveness of sins and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is believed by some to be fulfilled through Jesus Christ.
These covenants are not just historical events; they continue to shape Jewish identity, practice, and understanding of their relationship with God. They emphasize the importance of both God's faithfulness and the Jewish people's responsibility to uphold the covenant through observance of God's commandments
 
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But your hero Paul did. And I thought you were a believer. Pft.

"By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:13​

The covenant was made obsolete, not the Law. Those kinds of details matter.

But like I've said, you're free to follow the parts of the Law you're comfortable following, but be very careful when you deliberately twist and substitute words to make them say what you want.
 
Leviticus 18:22 offends your sensibilities. And that’s why you can’t bear to state it or address it.
Your mind has been defiled and contaminated by the poisonous flesh of talking serpents. Thats why you cannot see the deeper implications. It freaks you out and feel self loathing for your own latent homosexual tendencies.

Thats why you're obsessed with that law. Now say it loud! I'm gay and I'm proud! and don't forget you're in Texas
 
Your mind has been defiled and contaminated by the poisonous flesh of talking serpents. Thats why you cannot see the deeper implications. It freaks you out because of your own latent homosexual tendencies.
Says the guy who can’t be honest about what Leviticus 18:22 commands.
 
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